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[kumquats]

Stardusk wrote...

Just curious. I actually would have no problem with Infiltrators if they would all just say, yes, it is OP and I like being OP. Thank you.

Yes.

Btw: Falcon Inf, ftw. I can't deny it.

Modifié par kumquats, 16 mai 2012 - 09:11 .

[Stardusk]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

If i play alone with randoms I'll use the infiltrator more than other classes beause it's the easiest class to carry the team with, so to answer your question, yes I guess.

I do believe it's time for you to stop making 100 QQ topics about infiltrators though. OP as they may be at least it takes some aiming skill to be profficient with them, unlike some other powerful classes that are in the game *looks at biotics*. And they are fun to use every now and then, makes you feel like a one man army of destruction when you're armed with a claymore and you take down an atlas by yourself in less than 10 seconds.

I don't see the problem with them at all. It's a great class but I can only play it so much before I get bored and have to use something else. As for other people using it I it's not THAT dominant in terms of people using it(less than 20%) and besides they can use whatever they want for all I care, I have no idea why you're so obsessed with them or have such a huge problem with people using them.

Also if it's so OP and easy mode how come 90% of people using it do terrible? Other than people I play with from this forum most infiltators I run into suck it up 9/10 times.

I think I will, seems people cannot agree that Infiltrators are the most powerful class. I will stick to making my guides.

[Count Viceroy]

I don't, no. I play it because geth are awesome. And believe it or not, I like the visual effects of hunter mode. I tend to rotate GI - GE - AA - HV.

I do agree with you though, GI in particular is ridiculously op. But I'd still play it if it was brought down in line with the rest.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 mai 2012 - 09:16 .

[Stardusk]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I don't, no. I play it because geth are awesome. And believe it or not, I like the visual effects of hunter mode. I tend to rotate GI - GE - AA - HV.

I do agree with you though, GI in particular is ridiculously op. But I'd still play it if it was brought down in line with the rest.

Although these days Lord Viceroy, you seem to only play GI, I miss the days when you were going AA.

[A Wild Snorlax]

Stardusk wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

If i play alone with randoms I'll use the infiltrator more than other classes beause it's the easiest class to carry the team with, so to answer your question, yes I guess.

I do believe it's time for you to stop making 100 QQ topics about infiltrators though. OP as they may be at least it takes some aiming skill to be profficient with them, unlike some other powerful classes that are in the game *looks at biotics*. And they are fun to use every now and then, makes you feel like a one man army of destruction when you're armed with a claymore and you take down an atlas by yourself in less than 10 seconds.

I don't see the problem with them at all. It's a great class but I can only play it so much before I get bored and have to use something else. As for other people using it I it's not THAT dominant in terms of people using it(less than 20%) and besides they can use whatever they want for all I care, I have no idea why you're so obsessed with them or have such a huge problem with people using them.

Also if it's so OP and easy mode how come 90% of people using it do terrible? Other than people I play with from this forum most infiltators I run into suck it up 9/10 times.

I think I will, seems people cannot agree that Infiltrators are the most powerful class. I will stick to making my guides.

Personally I can agree that they are the most powerful class, I just don't see the big problem. In all games there's always one thing that's better than the rest unless everything is the same.

There are many other good classes, infiltrators are just the best because they make it easy to solo stuff for good players when the rest of the team sucks. I don't really see how that's a problem.

I'd love for some of the less used classes to be improved so that they are more competitive though. I've done well with all clases on gold in a team setting but for playing with randoms nothing comes close to the infiltrator unfortunately.

[Stardusk]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

If i play alone with randoms I'll use the infiltrator more than other classes beause it's the easiest class to carry the team with, so to answer your question, yes I guess.

I do believe it's time for you to stop making 100 QQ topics about infiltrators though. OP as they may be at least it takes some aiming skill to be profficient with them, unlike some other powerful classes that are in the game *looks at biotics*. And they are fun to use every now and then, makes you feel like a one man army of destruction when you're armed with a claymore and you take down an atlas by yourself in less than 10 seconds.

I don't see the problem with them at all. It's a great class but I can only play it so much before I get bored and have to use something else. As for other people using it I it's not THAT dominant in terms of people using it(less than 20%) and besides they can use whatever they want for all I care, I have no idea why you're so obsessed with them or have such a huge problem with people using them.

Also if it's so OP and easy mode how come 90% of people using it do terrible? Other than people I play with from this forum most infiltators I run into suck it up 9/10 times.

I think I will, seems people cannot agree that Infiltrators are the most powerful class. I will stick to making my guides.

Personally I can agree that they are the most powerful class, I just don't see the big problem. In all games there's always one thing that's better than the rest unless everything is the same.

There are many other good classes, infiltrators are just the best because they make it easy to solo stuff for good players when the rest of the team sucks. I don't really see how that's a problem.

I'd love for some of the less used classes to be improved so that they are more competitive though. I've done well with all clases on gold in a team setting but for playing with randoms nothing comes close to the infiltrator unfortunately.

QE Turret buff, I mean, the best QE builds don't use it at all.

[Skorpijon]

You really expect ppl to agree with your view?

Listen for the last time, everyone has their own opinion. Stop forcing yours unto others please. In your hands i bet its godly, as is in mine. But that doesnt mean i will agree with you. I play it as long as i need to get to lvl 20, then i promote and move on the next class. OP or not, doesnt matter. I play multiplayer cause its fun shooting at stuff (in game ofcourse) and it raises my singleplayer assets. I play all classes, and i enjoy some more then others. And yes infiltrator is among the "more fun" ones.
The thing that is bothering players is not about OPesness of infiltrators but your constant flamebaiting, provocations and some one minded view that you would like to enforce on others. Ppl wont always agree with you, deal with it.

[kr3g]

How can inflitrator be OP? It's almost the only class which require skill.
Look at the adepts - how much skill one need to spam warp/thow/reave/stasis? You don't even need to aim - just look at the enemy, and he is dead.

So if here is anything OP, it's adepts.

[Stardusk]

Skorpijon wrote...

You really expect ppl to agree with your view?

Listen for the last time, everyone has their own opinion. Stop forcing yours unto others please. In your hands i bet its godly, as is in mine. But that doesnt mean i will agree with you. I play it as long as i need to get to lvl 20, then i promote and move on the next class. OP or not, doesnt matter. I play multiplayer cause its fun shooting at stuff (in game ofcourse) and it raises my singleplayer assets. I play all classes, and i enjoy some more then others. And yes infiltrator is among the "more fun" ones.
The thing that is bothering players is not about OPesness of infiltrators but your constant flamebaiting, provocations and some one minded view that you would like to enforce on others. Ppl wont always agree with you, deal with it.

Fair enough. I will continue making my (non Infiltrator) guides.

[Oggles]

Yes. But then I got bored of using the infiltrator and actually stopped...

..Until the Geth infiltrator was released.

[Count Viceroy]

Stardusk wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

I don't, no. I play it because geth are awesome. And believe it or not, I like the visual effects of hunter mode. I tend to rotate GI - GE - AA - HV.

I do agree with you though, GI in particular is ridiculously op. But I'd still play it if it was brought down in line with the rest.

Although these days Lord Viceroy, you seem to only play GI, I miss the days when you were going AA.

Yeah, I've promoted the other ones and I'm too lazy to play them up atm. I do play novaguard quite regularly, but since you always host ....

[Sp3c7eR]

It's funny how everyone thinks infiltrator is godly but Turian Sentinel outdamages even the GI with Warp + incendiary claymore rounds. Right now it's not an infiltrator class that is the fastest boss killer, believe it or not.

But hey, people always pick the most obvious things, don't they

[GodlessPaladin]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

It's funny how everyone thinks infiltrator is godly but Turian Sentinel outdamages even the GI with Warp + incendiary claymore rounds. Right now it's not an infiltrator class that is the fastest boss killer, believe it or not.

But hey, people always pick the most obvious things, don't they

Yeah well, Turian Sentinel doesn't exactly do what it says on the tin.  It has "mystery damage" from some glitch.  You can't expect everyone to know that.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 16 mai 2012 - 09:35 .

[Nereithr]

I agree that infiltrator is very easy. Salarian has both ED and proxy-mine, which are some of the best skills in the game. Quarian sets the best tech bursts and one shots stuff with sabotage. GI is ridiculous. Incredible damage boosts and a wallhack and massive shields and 20% MS bonus. While drell make do with 250 barrier. Human is somewhat harder because he can't stagger shielded targets, but freezing and chilling is powerful enough by itself.

I am not even mentioning the tactical cloak, which is not only incredibly versatile, but is also a one-point wonder.

I mostly play all the classes but the infiltrator on bronze and silver. On gold i play all of them, but if i am with complete strangers i usually go for infiltrator myself, due to their sheer firepower, ability to ressurect and complete objectives

[COLZ7R]

Didnt say that stardusk hasnt got skill at the game, just pointing out that you will find skilled players in every mp forum going on about some class being op(never their own class though) just a way to feel better about their own self

[Terraflare]

The reason why infiltrators arent OP is because being able to do exceptionally well on it, easier, is not an indication of a class being OP.

For every 1 person on the forums able to achieve a 170k+ score with a GPS GI there are 100 other normal players in pubs that dont even visit the forums, that die every 5 seconds. Just because WE find it easy to squeeze every last bit of power from an infiltrator (reload cancelling every second, never missing cloak timings, never missing headshots, knowing what ammo powers to use, timing prox mine/ED/cryo with shots, squeezing as many cloak shots as mathematically possible into the timing etc...) does not make it OP.

Think about it, how many people here are still unaware that cloak cooldown = 3 seconds regardless? How many know for certain how many BW shots can be fired under cloak? How many are still forgoing proxy mine, or getting radius for ED? How many dont know what soft cover is? How many cant make use of wallhack the way its meant to be used? How many cant hit 100% of their reload cancelled claymore shots while cloaking, prox mining, avoiding fire? How many dont know that incendiary ammo + warp = insane DOT? How many dont know which exact walls the Widow + AP ammo can shoot through, and which cant? How many know exactly how many shots it takes to stagger a banshee? How many know a melee specced GI can take out the 4 phantom spawn by himself, in 2 seconds?

Doing all this isnt the norm, many people cant even get cloak timings right or miss their shots or just die instantly or believe cloak = invisible to anything. Yes in the hands of good players, of which are more abundant on the forums, the GI is devastating.

But is it a class that the AVERAGE player can use to trivialise the game? Think of the 3 biggest nerfs bioware has done 1) BE 2) Falcon 3) QI sabotage. The reasons why these were nerfed is because the AVERAGE player lobbies (they have stats on these) literally used nothing else. Thats the reason they posted that data of soldiers being used more often than anyone else. They are relatively straightforward to use and simple to understand/play for THE AVERAGE PLAYER.

[Killahead]

Infiltrator is the only class I don't play, I am bored with it. Yesterday I pulled out an infiltrator for the first time in a long while, I couldn't find any other games than FBWGG, so I used my QI to get it over with fast. I was running around the map with my Claymore, sabotaging enemies before I killed them to get the AoE explosion, never really exposing myself because of cloak, and it was as ridiculous as I remembered it. Easiest 150 000 points I have ever scored. And don't even get me started on the SI and GI.

People say it takes skill, but they confuse this with the infiltrator being the class a skilled player can do the best with. This is not the same thing. Also, the infiltrator seems to be the class which the worst players can do their best with. Countless times I've seen top scoring infiltrators on gold not even having 20 headshots, many times not even 10, and sorry, but if you can't land 20 headshots with a sniper, you shouldn't get that many points. That medal should be yours by wave 3. But I guess taking down boss enemies with half a dozen shots help.

I've given up trying to make other players see why this game would become more interesting if TCs damage bonus and/or cooldown mechanics were given some tweaking. So I'll just stick to other classes and shut up. Couldn't keep my mouth shut in this topic though.

Modifié par Killahead, 16 mai 2012 - 09:39 .

[NucularPikinic]

 The first class that I chose when I played Mass Effect was the Infiltrator. Yes, this was BEFORE tactical cloak was conceived. I always enjoy playing the sniper class of games.

So naturally, I enjoy playing as an Infiltrator due to their stealth and sniper affinity.

Of course, I get really tired of playing as the same class all the time so I only play Infiltrator if I am in a Gold match and there are no other players that I think can revive or complete objectives any better.

So no, it's not because infiltrators are OP.

[FreeshootXiggy]

Here, I found a video as to why Infiltrators arent OP, now stop griping.

[Stardusk]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

It's funny how everyone thinks infiltrator is godly but Turian Sentinel outdamages even the GI with Warp + incendiary claymore rounds. Right now it's not an infiltrator class that is the fastest boss killer, believe it or not.

But hey, people always pick the most obvious things, don't they

Deific opinions are weighed differently.

[Dynamik78]

actually I DON'T play it anymore cos too many players use one but...Every combat group would benefit of having one in the team and I wouldn't deprive me of such a valid teamm8
Don't nerf anything BW just release new game MODES/FACTIONS/classES ^^

[Sp3c7eR]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

It's funny how everyone thinks infiltrator is godly but Turian Sentinel outdamages even the GI with Warp + incendiary claymore rounds. Right now it's not an infiltrator class that is the fastest boss killer, believe it or not.

But hey, people always pick the most obvious things, don't they

Yeah well, Turian Sentinel doesn't exactly do what it says on the tin.  It has "mystery damage" from some glitch.  You can't expect everyone to know that.

I'm not expecting anything, but I find it curious how something so powerful slides under the radar. I've never been a fan of these kind of topics - I'm the kind of person who will ready up if there's 3 level 1s in my gold lobby and I'll try to win the game regardless of class. I haven't paid too much attention to classes and skillsets because I believe making any class work is down to player skill. Theoretically, if you keep improving yourself in any game you'll reach a level where you'll make even the worst classes play like the best. And since enemies in this game rely entirely on AI, this is absolutely possible.

An infiltrator has cloak? Well, you have reflexes. Hit headshots and you'll kill swiftly, practice reload canceling and you'll shoot faster, position better and you'll kill quicker. It's all about the player, not about the class.

[Orange Sanguine]

infiltrators are the one class that allows me to carry a game, something i have to do more often than not when playing gold with randoms, and lately even in some of my recreational silver games. whenever i play with skilled friends i'm glad i can play another class without the fear of getting wiped out some when post wave 5. not posting this to show off my game peen, but to let you know there is at least one other reason for playing an infiltrator. or not another reason, but, let's say it like that: if i need a slightly overpowered char to solo half of the waves in a game because my squad can't hold their own, so be it. still better than the whole squad bleeding out halfway through a game. also, squad medic. i'll revive you at the feet of two primes and four hunters , something no ther class would be capable of.

finally, the coolest dude in the whole mass effect universe was an infiltrator. RIP Thane. nuff said.

[whalewhisker]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

It's funny how everyone thinks infiltrator is godly but Turian Sentinel outdamages even the GI with Warp + incendiary claymore rounds. Right now it's not an infiltrator class that is the fastest boss killer, believe it or not.

But hey, people always pick the most obvious things, don't they

Yeah but infiltrator has cloak...and if a phantom, brute or banshee say hello to your turian in close quarters, then that's a dead turian.

[Dynamik78]

Actually you can carry games with many classes...I do it all the time mostly with my HV/SI/GI/and both TURIANS especially soldier which is most underrated

Modifié par Dynamik78, 16 mai 2012 - 09:47 .