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[Stardusk]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

It's funny how everyone thinks infiltrator is godly but Turian Sentinel outdamages even the GI with Warp + incendiary claymore rounds. Right now it's not an infiltrator class that is the fastest boss killer, believe it or not.

But hey, people always pick the most obvious things, don't they

Yeah well, Turian Sentinel doesn't exactly do what it says on the tin.  It has "mystery damage" from some glitch.  You can't expect everyone to know that.

I'm not expecting anything, but I find it curious how something so powerful slides under the radar. I've never been a fan of these kind of topics - I'm the kind of person who will ready up if there's 3 level 1s in my gold lobby and I'll try to win the game regardless of class. I haven't paid too much attention to classes and skillsets because I believe making any class work is down to player skill. Theoretically, if you keep improving yourself in any game you'll reach a level where you'll make even the worst classes play like the best. And since enemies in this game rely entirely on AI, this is absolutely possible.

An infiltrator has cloak? Well, you have reflexes. Hit headshots and you'll kill swiftly, practice reload canceling and you'll shoot faster, position better and you'll kill quicker. It's all about the player, not about the class.

Honestly Lord Spectre, you might be the best player on the entire forum. That means that your skill level will make  anything literally godly. For the rest of us (including myself) I can outscore my other classes with a GI, even though I don't play it at all these days. What you are saying does not apply to 90%+ (probably more).

[kumquats]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

An infiltrator has cloak? Well, you have reflexes. Hit headshots and you'll kill swiftly, practice reload canceling and you'll shoot faster, position better and you'll kill quicker. It's all about the player, not about the class.

Have you played a Geth Inf. with a Falcon and Cryo Ammo?

[Stardusk]

kumquats wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

An infiltrator has cloak? Well, you have reflexes. Hit headshots and you'll kill swiftly, practice reload canceling and you'll shoot faster, position better and you'll kill quicker. It's all about the player, not about the class.

Have you played a Geth Inf. with a Falcon and Cryo Ammo?

The problem is, when Spectre says something, it is nonapplicable to 99% of players. Like I said, he might be the best player on the forums so anything he uses will become divine in his hands. If you have watched his videos, you can see what I mean. He makes good players (like myself) below average.

Modifié par Stardusk, 16 mai 2012 - 09:52 .

[Terraflare]

Stardusk wrote...

Honestly Lord Spectre, you might be the best player on the entire forum. That means that your skill level will make  anything literally godly. For the rest of us (including myself) I can outscore my other classes with a GI, even though I don't play it at all these days. What you are saying does not apply to 90%+ (probably more).

You just answered your own question here. 

[Stardusk]

Terraflare wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Honestly Lord Spectre, you might be the best player on the entire forum. That means that your skill level will make  anything literally godly. For the rest of us (including myself) I can outscore my other classes with a GI, even though I don't play it at all these days. What you are saying does not apply to 90%+ (probably more).

You just answered your own question here. 

How so? GI is godly and in the hands of Spectre it becomes more than divine. The same principle applies.

Modifié par Stardusk, 16 mai 2012 - 09:54 .

[Terraflare]

GI is godly in YOURS and probably MY and probably a fraction of other forum goers hands. 99% of the ME3 community lies outside these forums. The logic applies downwards as well.

[Stardusk]

Terraflare wrote...

GI is godly in YOURS and probably MY and probably a fraction of other forum goers hands. 99% of the ME3 community lies outside these forums. The logic applies downwards as well.

True enough, so it will make bad players decent and good.

[Terraflare]

Stardusk wrote...

Terraflare wrote...

GI is godly in YOURS and probably MY and probably a fraction of other forum goers hands. 99% of the ME3 community lies outside these forums. The logic applies downwards as well.

True enough, so it will make bad players decent and good.

Trouble is it doesnt. Read my earlier posts, regarding QI, BEs and Falcon nerf. I have yet to see 24/7 lobbies across bronze/silver/gold of 4 man just using GI/SI.

[Sp3c7eR]

whalewhisker wrote...

Yeah but infiltrator has cloak...and if a phantom, brute or banshee say hello to your turian in close quarters, then that's a dead turian.

Nope. Out of these 3 only the phantom is a threat to a Turian. Brute will die before reaching me, Banshee can't do anything to me - I can be literally right in front of her, I'll shoot her once, she'll pick me up to kill me and then drop me from the DOT staggering her. I've done this before many times. Banshees take 4 shots to die and are one of the safest enemies to kill with a Turian. If there were ever a mode where I get only Banshee waves, this will be the class I will choose to deal with them. The phantom, unless she staggers you with a melee, dies in a single clean headshot, or 2 normal shots - it's very hard for a single phantom to outgun you if you aim is true

Modifié par Sp3c7eR, 16 mai 2012 - 10:07 .

[Eckswhyzed]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

It's funny how everyone thinks infiltrator is godly but Turian Sentinel outdamages even the GI with Warp + incendiary claymore rounds. Right now it's not an infiltrator class that is the fastest boss killer, believe it or not.

But hey, people always pick the most obvious things, don't they

Did anyone figure out how that worked, or is it still just some random interaction we don't know about? I've tried my that loadout vs. Reapers and it absolutely destroys face.

[whalewhisker]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

whalewhisker wrote...

Yeah but infiltrator has cloak...and if a phantom, brute or banshee say hello to your turian in close quarters, then that's a dead turian.

Nope. Out of these 3 only the phantom is a threat to a Turian. Brute will die before reaching me, Banshee can't do anything to me - I can be literally right in front of her, I'll shoot her once, she'll pick me up to kill me and then drop me from the DOT staggering her. I've done this before many times. Banshees take 4 shots to die and are one of the safest enemies to kill with a Turian. If there were every a mode where I get only Banshees per wave, this will be the class I will choose to deal with them. The phantom, unless she staggers you with a melee, dies in a single clean headshot, or 2 normal shots - it's very hard for a single phantom to outgun you if you aim is true

Ahh! Sounds like I need to pratice. I love my Turians but if any of those ever get close to me I'm a goner. ;(

[Stardusk]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

whalewhisker wrote...

Yeah but infiltrator has cloak...and if a phantom, brute or banshee say hello to your turian in close quarters, then that's a dead turian.

Nope. Out of these 3 only the phantom is a threat to a Turian. Brute will die before reaching me, Banshee can't do anything to me - I can be literally right in front of her, I'll shoot her once, she'll pick me up to kill me and then drop me from the DOT staggering her. I've done this before many times. Banshees take 4 shots to die and are one of the safest enemies to kill with a Turian. If there were ever a mode where I get only Banshee waves, this will be the class I will choose to deal with them. The phantom, unless she staggers you with a melee, dies in a single clean headshot, or 2 normal shots - it's very hard for a single phantom to outgun you if you aim is true

You make all sound so easy. You tell people you are talking about the Claymore here.

[Sp3c7eR]

Stardusk wrote...

You make all sound so easy. You tell people you are talking about the Claymore here.

Yeah, sorry, talking about Claymore. Should've clarified. I am yet to test the "DOT effect" as I like to call it with other shotguns and weapons. I was busy doing a guide on AP vs Incendiary ammo and that should be up soon illustrating advantages/disadvantages. But investigating warp/incendiary combo is a bit more difficult mostly cause it requires a lot of different setups and I don't have a lot of rail amps left 

[Atrocity]

OP?
Umm, I die from a stern look. Seriously, if ever even one husk gets close to me, my QI is dead. And GI does not fare that much better. He can take on 2 husks on melee range.

So no, I play inf because I am decent sniper and imho inf is the best suited class for sniping. I play inf because I like to give cover fire to short/medium range comrades. I play inf because I like to run like the wind to the thick of the horde to revive those comrades. I like to play inf because that's me.

[superdevildude85]

I mean, Regardless of what class I use I normally do fairly well, Plus the point raised earlier about the inf having no shield recharge much be the #1 reason I get downed as my GI. He isn't overpowered. He may to loads of damage, but (fully upgraded) he has about 400 health. No shields means if your cloak runs out you're hitting the floor.

[Count Viceroy]

Feels like the people who think the GI is op is using a shotgun, or anything but a sniper rifle, and the people who feel it's squishy nature compensates for its strengths are those who are staring down a scope and get flanked...

Just a feeling.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 mai 2012 - 10:25 .

[Atrocity]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Feels like the people who think the GI is op is using a shotgun, or anything but a sniper rifle, and the people who feel it's squishy nature compensates for its strengths are those who are staring down a scope and get flanked...

Just a feeling.

Well, yes? It all boils down to the build and playstyle. I wouldn't say it's an OP class in any way, maybe slightly more versatile than other classes. Only thing that might be slightly OP is cloak if soloing, but if you're soloing, it really doesn't matter, does it...

[Stardusk]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Feels like the people who think the GI is op is using a shotgun, or anything but a sniper rifle, and the people who feel it's squishy nature compensates for its strengths are those who are staring down a scope and get flanked...

Just a feeling.

I am inclined to agree.

[exxtrooper]

Stardusk wrote...

The problem is, when Spectre says something, it is nonapplicable to 99% of players. Like I said, he might be the best player on the forums so anything he uses will become divine in his hands.

Oh why don't you two get a room.

[billy the squid]

I play infiltrator because I like fighting at long range, even when I was using a Turian soldier or Sentinel, I use a Widow with extended barrel and penetrator mods. The Infiltrator suits that style better than any other. I don't often play as adepts and almost never as a Vanguard, I just don't like charging in.

Favorite class is the Geth Infiltrator, I always liked Geth, Hunter Mode is brilliant, combined with cloak it's devestating. Killing a Phantom in one shot is always fun. Combine it with the reload cancellation animation, you can put a lot of very powerful rounds down range, very quickly. I need practice with the speed reloading so I can get more headshots, but with the exception of Asari Adepts and Justicars, maybe SI. GI is one of the best.

[Count Viceroy]

Atrocity wrote...

Well, yes? It all boils down to the build and playstyle. I wouldn't say it's an OP class in any way, maybe slightly more versatile than other classes. Only thing that might be slightly OP is cloak if soloing, but if you're soloing, it really doesn't matter, does it...

I'd argue that a Salarian does the sniping job better. Regardless, claiming the GI isn't OP because you're not using to its fullest potential isn't really a valid argument.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 mai 2012 - 10:37 .

[Stardusk]

Atrocity wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Feels like the people who think the GI is op is using a shotgun, or anything but a sniper rifle, and the people who feel it's squishy nature compensates for its strengths are those who are staring down a scope and get flanked...

Just a feeling.

Well, yes? It all boils down to the build and playstyle. I wouldn't say it's an OP class in any way, maybe slightly more versatile than other classes. Only thing that might be slightly OP is cloak if soloing, but if you're soloing, it really doesn't matter, does it...

No, Cloak will always take aggro off you and put it on your team mates, so they take the hits, it is the reason why Infiltrators are allegedly medics, because while you are cloaking your team mates are drawing all the fire to them.

[Atrocity]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I'd argue that a Salarian does the sniping job better. Claiming the GI isn't OP because you're not using to its fullest potential isn't really a valid argument.

I wouldn't say build x is inferior to build y, just different. If we are comparing sniper/melee builds of GI that is. And I have tried sniping SI, just not good for my particular play-style. I know lot of people who can rock it, I can't though.
I play my SI with Claymore, since that's the only way I feel I can actually make use of the potential of Energy Drain and Prox. I play my GI with BW 'cause then I can land headshots fast, helping to clear the area. Inferior? As a build, hardly. Any inferiority comes purely from my skill as a player, not the build itself.

[Atrocity]

Stardusk wrote...

No, Cloak will always take aggro off you and put it on your team mates, so they take the hits, it is the reason why Infiltrators are allegedly medics, because while you are cloaking your team mates are drawing all the fire to them.

I'm aware of that. I'd say it boils down to the style again. I personally don't spend enough time cloaked to make a difference, unless capping. Much more fun drawing the enemy after you, cloaking for a second, shooting, then continuing to lead them away from the team in hacking objectives for example. 

I guess one could argue the aggro switch might make it slightly more OP, but I have never really noticed any real difference when playing an inf or when playing with infs. *shrug* Probably just good luck on my part.

Modifié par Atrocity, 16 mai 2012 - 10:51 .

[bondiboy]

Ashen Earth wrote...

stricko wrote...

You would at least need to have given all classes a decent run to appreciate how OP the Infiltrator is. Not so great being an AA with 3 infiltrators as team mates...

I've played all of the races and classes extensively. (Even the ones this board whines and complains about being underpowered)

Infiltrators are fine.

I also like playing Infiltrator. My 3 favourite classes  are Adept, Infiltrator and Soldier. I am hopeless as a Sentinel or Vanguard on Gold, Not because there is an inherent problem with these classes. I just dont know how to play them well enough. My point was that I have come to realise how powerful an Infiltrator can be in this game. Easiest class to solo for sure. Played an Adept with 3 infiltrators on the weekend v Reapers. Spent 90% of time setting up biotic explosions and immobilising Marauders and realised that after 3 waves I did not actually have a kill registered against my name . Had to run off by myself an kill a few Cannibals so I could see my name on a kill. Had fun anyway and enjoyed the game so no issue .