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Has Bioware ever said, "We know you hate us right now, but please, please trust us?"


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Look, you're being civil so I will respond in kind, we get what you are saying but not anywhere in the 14 lines of dialogue does starkid explain how to activate any of these choices, nor is there any reason to beleive that walking up to any of them will do anything more than just kill you, for all Shepard knows you could take one step forward and a trap door will open up and send you plummeting to the Earth.


Well there is nothing else you could do in that situation. Shepard is badly injured and trapped on a part of the Citadel nobody has an idea about. The AI kid can't be shot at, believe me I've tried as many of you have.

You could do nothing and wait for the Reapers to walk over the galaxy or try and give the choices a go.

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GreenDragon37 wrote...

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That's not really saying "no." Even in destroy, Shepard wins, but on the Reaper's terms. I still had to destroy m
y allies (the Geth) and friends (EDI) and the Mass Relays. That's not really saying "**** you" so much as it is saying "I'll just pick the lesser of three evils, but it still sucks hard."


When did you start believing the Catalyst about destroying your allies and friends and the mass relays?

If you trusted him that everything he said would happen, why didn't you trust him on Control when he tried to sell that option to you?

That's the problem. Which bits of his 13 lines can you trust?


That's the problem. I can't trust anything the LEADER OF THE REAPERS says. There is no "**** you" option, and that just pisses me off. 



So you are just not going to to do anything let the crucible go to waste and let the reapers win anyway?


What does it matter? Nothing matters in the end anyway. 



Actualy you can end the reaper threat for good.  Maybe you didn't like how the ending was executed I didn't like how it was executed but you can destroy the reapers and save galactic civiization though you end up isolating all the civilizations from each other you end up saving them.

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spiriticon wrote...


Look, you're being civil so I will respond in kind, we get what you are saying but not anywhere in the 14 lines of dialogue does starkid explain how to activate any of these choices, nor is there any reason to beleive that walking up to any of them will do anything more than just kill you, for all Shepard knows you could take one step forward and a trap door will open up and send you plummeting to the Earth.


Well there is nothing else you could do in that situation. Shepard is badly injured and trapped on a part of the Citadel nobody has an idea about. The AI kid can't be shot at, believe me I've tried as many of you have.

You could do nothing and wait for the Reapers to walk over the galaxy or try and give the choices a go.

Why couldn't it just be a giant cannon that epically F-ed up the reapers :unsure:, no we get star kid and speculations.

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Is turning off the console right at that moment considered an option?

EDIT: My whole problem with the ending is what Humanoid_Typhoon said. There's just... nothing at the end. No peace of mind, no conclusion, no emotional catharsis. No identification.


No not really. And that stems from BioWare's decision to focus on the big picture and leave the little pictures out. Funny how they made Mordin regret that in game.

But that can all be easily changed in the summer.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

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spiriticon wrote...

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That's not really saying "no." Even in destroy, Shepard wins, but on the Reaper's terms. I still had to destroy m
y allies (the Geth) and friends (EDI) and the Mass Relays. That's not really saying "**** you" so much as it is saying "I'll just pick the lesser of three evils, but it still sucks hard."


When did you start believing the Catalyst about destroying your allies and friends and the mass relays?

If you trusted him that everything he said would happen, why didn't you trust him on Control when he tried to sell that option to you?

That's the problem. Which bits of his 13 lines can you trust?


That's the problem. I can't trust anything the LEADER OF THE REAPERS says. There is no "**** you" option, and that just pisses me off. 



So you are just not going to to do anything let the crucible go to waste and let the reapers win anyway?


What does it matter? Nothing matters in the end anyway. 



Actualy you can end the reaper threat for good.  Maybe you didn't like how the ending was executed I didn't like how it was executed but you can destroy the reapers and save galactic civiization though you end up isolating all the civilizations from each other you end up saving them.


Actually, since we have no idea what actually happened 'at the end it's all left up in the air.

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

spiriticon wrote...


Look, you're being civil so I will respond in kind, we get what you are saying but not anywhere in the 14 lines of dialogue does starkid explain how to activate any of these choices, nor is there any reason to beleive that walking up to any of them will do anything more than just kill you, for all Shepard knows you could take one step forward and a trap door will open up and send you plummeting to the Earth.


Well there is nothing else you could do in that situation. Shepard is badly injured and trapped on a part of the Citadel nobody has an idea about. The AI kid can't be shot at, believe me I've tried as many of you have.

You could do nothing and wait for the Reapers to walk over the galaxy or try and give the choices a go.

Why couldn't it just be a giant cannon that epically F-ed up the reapers :unsure:, no we get star kid and speculations.


Well I think Destroy ending is a bit like a giant cannon that ****s up the reapers don't you think?:) Whether or not EDI, the geth and the mass relays are destroyed depends on how much you trust the Catalyst.

I didn't trust what he said about Control, and I sure as hell don't trust what he says about the mass relays.

The ending for my Shepard is pretty good all things considered, but I had to fill in a lot of the blanks on my own, and I appreciate that some people might not like that style of delivery.

Modifié par spiriticon, 16 mai 2012 - 11:11 .


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GreenDragon37 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

spiriticon wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

That's not really saying "no." Even in destroy, Shepard wins, but on the Reaper's terms. I still had to destroy m
y allies (the Geth) and friends (EDI) and the Mass Relays. That's not really saying "**** you" so much as it is saying "I'll just pick the lesser of three evils, but it still sucks hard."


When did you start believing the Catalyst about destroying your allies and friends and the mass relays?

If you trusted him that everything he said would happen, why didn't you trust him on Control when he tried to sell that option to you?

That's the problem. Which bits of his 13 lines can you trust?


That's the problem. I can't trust anything the LEADER OF THE REAPERS says. There is no "**** you" option, and that just pisses me off. 



So you are just not going to to do anything let the crucible go to waste and let the reapers win anyway?


What does it matter? Nothing matters in the end anyway. 



Actualy you can end the reaper threat for good.  Maybe you didn't like how the ending was executed I didn't like how it was executed but you can destroy the reapers and save galactic civiization though you end up isolating all the civilizations from each other you end up saving them.


Actually, since we have no idea what actually happened 'at the end it's all left up in the air.


Everything is up in the air for now but firing the crucible is still better than letting the reapers harvest or destroy everybody.

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You two should meet...


Or you could look in a mirror. You really should stop hijacking this thread with your flaming and your trolling. Like I said either you can ignore me or you can PM me.


I would if not for I might fall in love with my ruggedly good looks.

I've tried to be civil with you, everyone has, but I, like those, have found it impossible to debate on an intelligent level with you when you can't help but insist indubitably you're right all the time. And now you claim I'm trolling because I've made valid points?

And when they still don't agree you insult them. On the flipside, when someone even says something remotely derogatory about you, you pull the victim card, claim trolling/flaming and try to avoid it.

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Lyrebon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

You two should meet...


Or you could look in a mirror. You really should stop hijacking this thread with your flaming and your trolling. Like I said either you can ignore me or you can PM me.



I've tried to be civil with you,.


Hah! right.  Once again why are you try to make this a discussion about KotorEffect 3 instead of Mass Effect 3?  If you are that obsessed with preaching to me why don't you get off your self righteous pedistal and PM me?  Can't promise I will answer though

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

You two should meet...


Or you could look in a mirror. You really should stop hijacking this thread with your flaming and your trolling. Like I said either you can ignore me or you can PM me.



I've tried to be civil with you,.


Hah! right.  Once again why are you try to make this a discussion about KotorEffect 3 instead of Mass Effect 3?  If you are that obsessed with preaching to me why don't you get off your self righteous pedistal and PM me?  Can't promise I will answer though


Becuase I'm on your blocklist Mr. Maturity.

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Lyrebon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

You two should meet...


Or you could look in a mirror. You really should stop hijacking this thread with your flaming and your trolling. Like I said either you can ignore me or you can PM me.



I've tried to be civil with you,.


Hah! right.  Once again why are you try to make this a discussion about KotorEffect 3 instead of Mass Effect 3?  If you are that obsessed with preaching to me why don't you get off your self righteous pedistal and PM me?  Can't promise I will answer though


Becuase I'm on your blocklist Mr. Maturity.


Tough beans for you I guess.  Well I guess you just have one option then and that is to ignore me since you can't seem to discuss things in threads with me without turning the thread into a KotorEffect 3 thread.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 16 mai 2012 - 11:26 .


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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

You two should meet...


Or you could look in a mirror. You really should stop hijacking this thread with your flaming and your trolling. Like I said either you can ignore me or you can PM me.



I've tried to be civil with you,.


Hah! right.  Once again why are you try to make this a discussion about KotorEffect 3 instead of Mass Effect 3?  If you are that obsessed with preaching to me why don't you get off your self righteous pedistal and PM me?  Can't promise I will answer though


Becuase I'm on your blocklist Mr. Maturity.


Tough beans for you I guess.  Well I guess you just have one option then and that is to ignore me since you can't seem to discuss things in threads with me without turning the thread into a KotorEffect 3 thread.


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Lyrebon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

You two should meet...


Or you could look in a mirror. You really should stop hijacking this thread with your flaming and your trolling. Like I said either you can ignore me or you can PM me.



I've tried to be civil with you,.


Hah! right.  Once again why are you try to make this a discussion about KotorEffect 3 instead of Mass Effect 3?  If you are that obsessed with preaching to me why don't you get off your self righteous pedistal and PM me?  Can't promise I will answer though


Becuase I'm on your blocklist Mr. Maturity.


Tough beans for you I guess.  Well I guess you just have one option then and that is to ignore me since you can't seem to discuss things in threads with me without turning the thread into a KotorEffect 3 thread.


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I didn't cry until I got a new ending.


And expressing disdain in a product that I paid my money for, which did not deliver on the expectations that the very company producing it set, is crying?

Yeah, that's just one big ball of sense-making there.



Paying money for something doesn't excuse an overinflated sense of entitlement and the rude overall manner in which your movement has treated bioware.  I know they are doing it for free but they really should charge you for the EC.


I really believe that was the plan all along to have you pay for the extended-cut ending(s).    I mean most of the people on this forum paid for the Awakening DLC which was a critical transition from ME2 to ME3.  So by a marketing standpoint, those same customers would also pay as much for an ending like they did for the beginning.  Of course,  marketing experts really can't project fan base reaction because they aren't part of the fan base themselves.

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Jerrybnsn wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

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I didn't cry until I got a new ending.


And expressing disdain in a product that I paid my money for, which did not deliver on the expectations that the very company producing it set, is crying?

Yeah, that's just one big ball of sense-making there.



Paying money for something doesn't excuse an overinflated sense of entitlement and the rude overall manner in which your movement has treated bioware.  I know they are doing it for free but they really should charge you for the EC.


I really believe that was the plan all along to have you pay for the extended-cut ending(s).    I mean most of the people on this forum paid for the Awakening DLC which was a critical transition from ME2 to ME3.  So by a marketing standpoint, those same customers would also pay as much for an ending like they did for the beginning.  Of course,  marketing experts really can't project fan base reaction because they aren't part of the fan base themselves.



Did you mean arrival DLC?  You may have a point but there are alot of unknowns surrounding the endings how things will go from there.

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Arrival, Awakening, whatever. I passed on it because of all the bad reviews and ended up being totally lost in the first four hours of ME3. I'm sure I'm a minority though out of the 3 million people that have played the game so far. (it has sold 3 million, right?)

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Arrival, Awakening, whatever. I passed on it because of all the bad reviews and ended up being totally lost in the first four hours of ME3. I'm sure I'm a minority though out of the 3 million people that have played the game so far. (it has sold 3 million, right?)



I think so I know it's been outpacing ME 2's sales in the same time period.  Also awakening is a dragon age dlc

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No, definitely don't think they've had that. More like they've had a look in their eyes that says they have an ace up their sleeve, so we can burn our bridges if we want, but that will only hurt us more than them.


if that is the case then why not come out and say it somthing like admit to IT or say we know your not happy we where pressed for time we are working on something.  but no rather than talk to the people that have suported mass effect (and not just with the games but with all the other stuff) they clam up and let IGN and other try to make fools of us then feed us a load of crap about how we don't apreashate there "art".

so no I don't get that vibe at all I just get damage control in the hope that we will keep buying there ME hoodies, book and DLC. and even after all that I'm still willing to give EC a chance but if that fails then I think I have been more than fair and I will just move on as I think many will.

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Not really it's not like the ending somehow retroactively went back in time and made you enjoy the rest of the game and series less while you were playing it.  Now if you want to argue that going forward you can't play it because of the ending than that is another matter.


Yes, really. It is exactly how the ending has impacted me; why would I still consider something--remember something as--fun if it's not worthwhile?


I think that has more to do with you and how you remember things than anything the game did at the time


How I remember things? Do you even know what you're saying anymore?

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wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

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Not really it's not like the ending somehow retroactively went back in time and made you enjoy the rest of the game and series less while you were playing it.  Now if you want to argue that going forward you can't play it because of the ending than that is another matter.


Yes, really. It is exactly how the ending has impacted me; why would I still consider something--remember something as--fun if it's not worthwhile?


I think that has more to do with you and how you remember things than anything the game did at the time


How I remember things? Do you even know what you're saying anymore?



Well it aint a game issue

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I don't think they will. They should to some degree, as that is just good business sense and would show they still value consumer trust/satisfaction.

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If anyone has been playing the victim it has been the fanbase


You've been crying just as much lately, someone victimize you?




All I did was make an observation.  The fact that you took it as more than that must mean I hit a sore spot

If you want my honest opinion he's right lately all you've been doing is crying and whining on most of the posts, a bit hypocritical dont you think?

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Not really it's not like the ending somehow retroactively went back in time and made you enjoy the rest of the game and series less while you were playing it.  Now if you want to argue that going forward you can't play it because of the ending than that is another matter.


Yes, really. It is exactly how the ending has impacted me; why would I still consider something--remember something as--fun if it's not worthwhile?


I think that has more to do with you and how you remember things than anything the game did at the time


How I remember things? Do you even know what you're saying anymore?



Well it aint a game issue


Yes, it is. It's a narrative issue.

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antony1197 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sohlito wrote...

I don't think they will. They should to some degree, as that is just good business sense and would show they still value consumer trust/satisfaction.

KotorEffect3 wrote...

If anyone has been playing the victim it has been the fanbase


You've been crying just as much lately, someone victimize you?




All I did was make an observation.  The fact that you took it as more than that must mean I hit a sore spot

If you want my honest opinion he's right lately all you've been doing is crying and whining on most of the posts, a bit hypocritical dont you think?



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Narrative Coherency is the main issue with the ending here: It betrays established ideals, creates a new conflict at the stories resoltuion, forces us to trust an ambiguous, if not, malevolent plot device (the catalyst, who IS either a Reaper AI, or a form of Reaper conciousness. Sauce? "I know you have thought about destroying us."<--- In game quote; it's not rocket science to figure out what he meant).

What makes it worse is the fact that the heads (Hudson and Walters) are standing by their crap of an ending and putting Bioware in a PR siege mode ever since they delivered their condescending remarks and explanations to the fan base as to what the EC would actually be.

*WARNING SPECULATION AHEAD*

If I honestly had to guess where the last ten minutes of the game went wrong, I'm perfectly willing to bet that Mac Walters and Casey Hudson (as previously stated rumors suggested) took it upon themselves to create the ending without running it through any sort of peer review process that the rest of the game supposedly went through. Why this was, I don't know. It could have been for release dates, which is the most likely answer since I really can't see the two heads up the game taking anything upon themselves accept for reasons of desperation.

And my sympathies to them, if that was the case, but based on the little quips and condescending remarks they have already given to us on various social media, I'm beginning to think they took the last section of the game upon themselves because they had some twisted vision of what the game should be as opposed to what it actually was--and they f*cked up. Big time. So, my sympathies for them are wearing thin--especially since each little statement they put out are ambiguous, at best, and insulting, at worst.

That's my two cents on why Bioware (or, at least, the two aforementioned individuals) will never apologize for screwing up: Because two men honestly believe their crap ending was justified and we are a bunch of entitled, whiny, brats who deserved to be charactered, marginalized, and ignored--or met halfway. We don't need "clarity and closure" we need things to make sense. We don't need to be talked down to about the ending, we need to communicate (publisher and fan) between each other and sort through the good feedback from the bad. It's kinda what video game companies DO for fans--especially in pre-development and post-release phases.

Modifié par ReXspec, 17 mai 2012 - 03:04 .


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 if anything i'd like an apology for being treated like we don't write their pay checks, i am a consumer after all, and without us the bioware team would be out on the street

but I would love to actually pic there brains about what they were trying to accomplish with the endings, there disnissal of us is an insult to any reasonable consumer and their willingness to refuse to talk to any fan all all about what they were trying to accomplish with their work tells me that they truly hate it, but it this "art" was forced on them by someone higher up, someone with an agenda of some sort, albeit microtransactions or political agenda is uncertain but its possible that it could be both. But someone forced this on the ME3 writing staff and their unwillingness to discuss their motives about the ending are more telling than any PR statement thats been spewed out in the last two months.