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[Landon7001]

I might start a thread on just why the hell garrus and tali are so well liked apparently....that i dont get....garrus is very similar to jacob, he was given more dynamic in me 2 w archangel thing but.....and tali gets annoying FAST, How do some dorks end up li-ing her when ya cant even see her??

[KevTheGamer]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

KevWestBeats.com wrote...
 well then theres Jack a lot of people dislike Jack and she is the same way as you describe Zaeed. Imo Jack is the biggest bad ass of the entire cast of ME including Shepard. But a lot of people dislike her. I love Jack though I oddly enough never romanced her.

Jack as a character develops into something new, where as Zaeed and Jacob stagnate. Your first impressions of Zaeed and Jacob are pretty much them forever.

Also Jacks new Chop and clothes, if i wasnt interested before - i am now.

idk my first thought about Jacob was that he is a tool. I didn't respect Jacob much at first and then he grew to be one of my favorite squadmates. I generally like the changes they did with Jack I just wish she got more screen time. I wanted to learn more about Jack

Modifié par KevWestBeats.com, 17 mai 2012 - 01:41 .

[KevTheGamer]

Landon7001 wrote...

I might start a thread on just why the hell garrus and tali are so well liked apparently....that i dont get....garrus is very similar to jacob, he was given more dynamic in me 2 w archangel thing but.....and tali gets annoying FAST, How do some dorks end up li-ing her when ya cant even see her??

I never got the whole Garrus thing either. Tali grew on me during ME 2 to become one of my favorite characters but Garrus is kind of bleh to me as a character and squad mate in all 3 games. Well bleh is strong but very much so if he died on the suicide mission I wouldn't be angry and he could survive too and it would be ok. Tali was very useful in ME 2 for combat and she was an interesting LI imo and I really like her loyalty mission as well as her role in ME 3. She is one of my favorite characters. 

[Landon7001]

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

I might start a thread on just why the hell garrus and tali are so well liked apparently....that i dont get....garrus is very similar to jacob, he was given more dynamic in me 2 w archangel thing but.....and tali gets annoying FAST, How do some dorks end up li-ing her when ya cant even see her??

I never got the whole Garrus thing either. Tali grew on me during ME 2 to become one of my favorite characters but Garrus is kind of bleh to me as a character and squad mate in all 3 games. Well bleh is strong but very much so if he died on the suicide mission I wouldn't be angry and he could survive too and it would be ok. Tali was very useful in ME 2 for combat and she was an interesting LI imo and I really like her loyalty mission as well as her role in ME 3. She is one of my favorite characters. 

i liked tali more in me2 as well, anf her loyalty mission was quite good and established quarian lore...both are good characters   i just dont get the widespread LOVE for them that made bioware make them lis in me 2 in the first place....tali does look hot in her photoshop photo, dark hair like ashley

[KevTheGamer]

The photoshop photo pissed me off. I think they knew they were going to ****** people off one way or another but as many unique interesting alien races as they had in the ME series they couldn't come up with something half decent for Tai. I would rather them had left that part out and kept the mystery alive than for them to give us that crap

[Landon7001]

i agree it certainly comes off as anoter example of tem being lazy with me3 but it really id make me like tali more than ever before, they did at least incorporate alien features and we finally see what a quarian looks like- a humnaoid race with 3 fingerd and line/vein things and yellowish eyes

[Tashash]

I don't hate Jacob - but I do hate what BW did to his character in ME3.

I feel tremendously sorry for anyone who romanced Jacob, they got possibly the worst treatment out of any of the ME2 LI's.

[Seifer006]

Tashash wrote...

I don't hate Jacob - but I do hate what BW did to his character in ME3.

I feel tremendously sorry for anyone who romanced Jacob, they got possibly the worst treatment out of any of the ME2 LI's.

This.


IMO - ME3 jacob was boring. BW gave him no good lines. And his role was awful. There was nothing to like of him. And the fact that BW had him cheat on you even if you were faithful.............wow that was...........uncalled for

so yeah. OP, there's definitely SOLID reasons why many don't like Jacob in ME3

[grey_wind]

My problem with Jacob is that he was a character with a ton of potential (he was a motherf*cking space pirate before ME2) and could have become a really interesting character in ME3 (hell, Samara even hints towards something great in his future) but instead, the writers chose to drench his character in gasoline, light it on fire, and then ****** on its charred and mutilated corpse.

[knightnblu]

Well, first there is that "but the priiiize" thing. Secondly, he never wants to talk to you. Third, despite the fact that Kasumi's panties are on fire he doesn't even notice her. And finally, he deep sixes Shepard without so much as a dear Jane letter and knocks up some Cerberus broad. If that isn't enough, his lines are old and cliché.
 
If ever there were an ME character that was in desperate need of a makeover, it is Jacob. The guy has the personality of a wet bar rag. Honestly, I was hoping for a renegade option where they would give him something to sedate him at Huerta so that I could just put him in a wheel chair and stick him in a closet with a blanket over him or something. Out of sight, out of mind, but no such luck.
 
However if it makes you feel better, I don't like Ashley any better since horizon.

[GuardianAngel470]

I liked Tali for a very shallow reason in ME1...

She was hands down the most powerful squadmate and yet had hands down the worst armor and frailest appearance.

Garrus was cool because he looked awesome and his attitude toward crime resonated with me.

In ME2 both those characters are old friends that I on multiple playthroughs saved the galaxy with. So Garrus and Tali resonated with me in ME2 because they were my two loyal friends that were willing to go through the flaming gates of hell with me. I loved that feeling.

Jacob I liked but I generally played MShep. He was cool and his well adjusted personality was unique and interesting to me.

However the moment you switch from Mshep to femshep Jacob becomes a serious problem. Rather, any interaction between femshep and Jacob becomes a serious problem. Femshep comes off like an abusive boss and Jacob comes off as a shallow, horny hooligan. Bad things happen when you play femshep and romance Jacob.

[Regelrytteren]

I'll admit to disliking Jacob. Normally the human crew are some of my favourite characters, but Jacob is just... off. Shepard meets him while the whole station is falling apart and she is probably severely confused; somehow he thinks that telling her about Cerberus, will make her trust him more. Which is sorta odd. He also calls his biotic powers for 'the good stuff' despite the fact, that the only thing he can do is 'pull', which has to be the one biotic power I never use in ME2.

Then Shepard talk to him on the Cerberus station, at which point you have literally known each other for a matter of hours, and he asks Shepard if she trusts him - That sounds really unlikely. Why would she?

He comes off as sorta snooty, when Shepard tries to initiate conversation, and somehow the only convo-options with him are either 'biggest fan', 'we're like totally the same person' or '**** you'. I missed having a neutral option with him.

Every time Shepard recruits someone, he is right there to make the new squadmember feel completely insulted. I don't remember inviting you to my recruitment and frankly I'd rather you stayed in the armory. Permanently. And also the whole assassin/mercenary thing, is rather funny coming from someone who takes checks from a terrorist organization to kill everything in said organization's way.

As someone said, he gives really poor advice ('lets go now, now, now... screw building the team' and 'I can totally do the vent-thingy') and frankly his catwoman latexy-outfit is just off-putting. And when you ask him to get resources for the Normandy, he does this weird thing with his neck, as if warming up; like really, buddy - is it physically taxing for you to make contact with former alliance buddies?

And that's just his ME2 quirks. Never mind the ME3; 'your real love is the Normandy' and the complete incompetence he shows when battling Cerberus troops on Gellix. Why did you have to get the dead body, and why not use some of that 'good stuff' you keep mentioning to either pull the body or better yet kill some Cerberus troops?

I did like that he was emotionally stable in both games, but his flaw, a complete overconfidence in his own abilities, is actually a lot more annoying to me. I completely avoid him as much as possible. I don't talk to him beyond his loyalty mission and resource use in ME2, and in ME3 I refuse to talk to him on Gellix. It all helps.

But I do feel bad for those who romanced him in ME2. It's one thing that he fell in love with someone else, but learn to use an e-mail, dude.

[CptData]

grey_wind wrote...

My problem with Jacob is that he was a character with a ton of potential (he was a motherf*cking space pirate before ME2) and could have become a really interesting character in ME3 (hell, Samara even hints towards something great in his future) but instead, the writers chose to drench his character in gasoline, light it on fire, and then ****** on its charred and mutilated corpse.

Let's put it this way:

Jacob is a classic example how not to treat a properly designed character. Out of the bunch in ME2, he was the "normal guy" - and even the normal guy had an awesome past. I was not his biggest admirer in ME2, but definitely like him, as a bro. A professional bro. So to speak.

As long as you don't play a fem!Shep getting into his pants, everything works, including his new girlfriend in ME3. However, IF you had him as LI, everything he says about honor and love and such falls apart. Why in heaven does he move on? There's a time span of less than six months between ME2 and ME3. And still he manages it to abandon fem!Shep, move on and impregnate his new girlfriend.

Well played, Bioware. Not only this damages Jacob as the character we know from ME2, it also gives the idea he's a dishonest pal who sticks his ... well, let's stop it here. First Miranda (perfect woman), then fem!Shep (living legend) and then a random scientist with pretty eyes? Riiight ... guess Jacob loves less complicated women than Miri and fem!Shep, duh?

I like Jacob, but I don't like the way how BW damaged his character for some extra drama. And if they wanted to display "there is hope" with that unborn child or something, then they failed. <_<

[CroGamer002]

People hate Jacob?


Sure he's bland, boring and wasted opportunity, but that doesn't deserve hate.
Except on a writer.

[stysiaq]

I actually didn't like Jacob after ME2, but after his treatment in ME3 I feel sorry for him, and the people who actually enjoyed his cheezy romance lines.

Jacob was a failed attempt to create a cool bro. Now he is just a cheat.

[Tiberis]

Mesina2 wrote...

People hate Jacob?


Sure he's bland, boring and wasted opportunity, but that doesn't deserve hate.
Except on a writer.

OMG, this is exactly what I was going to type until I saw your post.

Jacob was meh overall, his loyalty mission my least favorite too. But I don't hate the guy. Only character I hate is Kai Leng.

[CroGamer002]

Tiberis wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

People hate Jacob?


Sure he's bland, boring and wasted opportunity, but that doesn't deserve hate.
Except on a writer.

OMG, this is exactly what I was going to type until I saw your post.

Jacob was meh overall, his loyalty mission my least favorite too. But I don't hate the guy. Only character I hate is Starchild.

Same story here.

[stysiaq]

Mesina2 wrote...

Tiberis wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

People hate Jacob?


Sure he's bland, boring and wasted opportunity, but that doesn't deserve hate.
Except on a writer.

OMG, this is exactly what I was going to type until I saw your post.

Jacob was meh overall, his loyalty mission my least favorite too. But I don't hate the guy. Only character I hate is Starchild.

Same story here.

We reached consensus.

[Priisus]

I kinda like Jacob, he is a stable guy, keeps his head cool and a pretty reliable person all way round.

But he sits pretty low on the list of my overall favorite squaddies (probably lowest) but I like all squaddies across all three games.

The thing is that it's not because he's a bad character but because other characters are better/more interesting than him. And this is coming from somebody whose favorite characters are mostly the human characters... (heck the majority of BSN seems to prefer the alien characters). Kaidan, Zaaed, Miranda, James, Ashley, Jack are my top favorite squaddies with only Garrus and Samara in the mix within these characters (I like the alien squaddies too but they come after Jack).

I think Jacob's problem is that there is quite minimal involvement of interaction between him and Shep or anyone else for the matter. And that he barely has any character growth throughout the two games and not really involved in any major plot. That being said... I still don't understand why the writers decide to kill off his romance plot with femSheps who romance him in ME3, that will only make people not like him even more...

But hate...? No, he doesn't really deserves that (except for those who romanced him maybe)... And like the three above posters said... hate is reserved only for starchild.

[Momiji.mii]

I like Jacob and I always intended to play through his romance, but after ME3...why would I make my femshep live through such an offhanded betrayal? Unless I had some sort of roleplaying idea that I wanted to run with, perhaps. Not likely though.

I still don't hate the character or what he did to a romanced femshep. I just think that it would could have been better handled.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

My take on "I'm not big on forcing these talks"...

I didn't feel like he said that to be a rude ****; the guy has his issues - he's emotionally distant, probably due to his relationship with his father. So he keeps a wall up - he's probably afraid of being abandoned and is scared of getting too close with anyone.

But he does open up over time, and by the end of ME2, I felt like he was a good dude and a good friend.

Then in ME3 things just went terribly wrong with his character.

[Landon7001]

iTS LIKE i ORIGINALLY SAID, NOT UNTIL I CAME ON THESE FORUMS DID I NOTICE THIS DISDAIN FOR JACOB, PRETTY MUCH ALL MY REAL LIFE MASS EFFECT PEEPS LIKE HIM....HIS CHARACTER HAS SOME FLAWS AND NOT EVERY THING THEY DID W HIM WAS GREAT....BUT YOU CAN SAY THAT FOR SEVERAL CHARACTERS, AND AGAIN HE WAS NOT SUPPOSE T BE AMONG THE MOST INTERESTING CHARACTERS LIKE MORDIN OR LEGION...
BUT FOR ME, MORE SO THAN GARRUS WHEN I GO INTO BATTE, I WANT THIS DUDE TO BE ON MY SIDE, HES MY BY BRO AND HES A MORAL DUDE-YOU KNOW WHERE HE STANDS AN HES COOL, AND GOOD BIOTICS.....

BTW STOP THE ASHLEY HATE TOO B/C SHE IS MY FAVORITE ME CHARACTER OF THEM ALL, AND SO HOT AND I WAS SO GLAD TO AT LEAST HAVE HER BACK

[Landon7001]

Priisus wrote...

I kinda like Jacob, he is a stable guy, keeps his head cool and a pretty reliable person all way round.

But he sits pretty low on the list of my overall favorite squaddies (probably lowest) but I like all squaddies across all three games.

The thing is that it's not because he's a bad character but because other characters are better/more interesting than him. And this is coming from somebody whose favorite characters are mostly the human characters... (heck the majority of BSN seems to prefer the alien characters). Kaidan, Zaaed, Miranda, James, Ashley, Jack are my top favorite squaddies with only Garrus and Samara in the mix within these characters (I like the alien squaddies too but they come after Jack).

I think Jacob's problem is that there is quite minimal involvement of interaction between him and Shep or anyone else for the matter. And that he barely has any character growth throughout the two games and not really involved in any major plot. That being said... I still don't understand why the writers decide to kill off his romance plot with femSheps who romance him in ME3, that will only make people not like him even more...

But hate...? No, he doesn't really deserves that (except for those who romanced him maybe)... And like the three above posters said... hate is reserved only for starchild.

how was he not involved in any main plots??  he was the 3rd main character in me2 after tim and miranda {also third in command after them excluding shep}  hes in literally the most scenes in me 2 also, es in all but one of the comm room cut scenes....plus they do establish his past w miranda

[Landon7001]

Youth4Ever wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

Well, the fact is that no African American character has ever been written well. Jacob is no different. As African American we are not ment to be the hero or even the side kick to the hero. The obvious and most likely blatent use of sterotypes in his "romance" are appaling. He cheats on gem shroud after six monthes, really bioware do you even think about how black people are going to look at that or are we just another missing demographic to you? However, you react to this post the sad fact of it is true. African Americans are not ever going to be portrayed as the hero( or villian for that matter) a casual glance at every aspect of American entertainment can verify that. Not marvel,dc,Idw,darkhorse or any other comic has a viable agri an American character. No video game to date has been created with a real black hero as the lead. It is obvious that people want to be saved from black people not by black people and bioware has gone right along and contributed to that frame of thought.

Sad, but true. Only game I can think of with a fleshed out black cast was GTA: San Andreas...

seriously? GTA san andreas? in case you didnt know san andreas was all charicaturs and over the top stereotypes, like all the GTA games, thats what they do.........and i really disagree tere are no well written africanamerican characters, if ud like i could make you a list