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[KevTheGamer]

Landon7001 wrote...

iTS LIKE i ORIGINALLY SAID, NOT UNTIL I CAME ON THESE FORUMS DID I NOTICE THIS DISDAIN FOR JACOB, PRETTY MUCH ALL MY REAL LIFE MASS EFFECT PEEPS LIKE HIM....HIS CHARACTER HAS SOME FLAWS AND NOT EVERY THING THEY DID W HIM WAS GREAT....BUT YOU CAN SAY THAT FOR SEVERAL CHARACTERS, AND AGAIN HE WAS NOT SUPPOSE T BE AMONG THE MOST INTERESTING CHARACTERS LIKE MORDIN OR LEGION...
BUT FOR ME, MORE SO THAN GARRUS WHEN I GO INTO BATTE, I WANT THIS DUDE TO BE ON MY SIDE, HES MY BY BRO AND HES A MORAL DUDE-YOU KNOW WHERE HE STANDS AN HES COOL, AND GOOD BIOTICS.....

BTW STOP THE ASHLEY HATE TOO B/C SHE IS MY FAVORITE ME CHARACTER OF THEM ALL, AND SO HOT AND I WAS SO GLAD TO AT LEAST HAVE HER BACK

I didn't find Legion interesting either lol. Oddly enough though I do love Ashley and was upset when I realized she wasn't coming along for ME2. I thought Ash was my main chick up until that point. Now those props go to Tali because through it all her Joker and Garrus were the only people who truly stood by Shepards side through thick and thin. I have a lot of respect for Garrus for the fact that he goes along with Shepard at all times with no questions asked and no real obligations. My beef with Tali is that the Quarians mean more to her than saving the galaxy though I still like her she couldn't see the bigger picture in ME 2 at first and didn't see it again in ME 3. Stopping the Reapers imo took priority of getting Rannoch back because even if u got Rannoch back and couldn't stop the Reapers it wouldn't have mattered.

[Landon7001]

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

iTS LIKE i ORIGINALLY SAID, NOT UNTIL I CAME ON THESE FORUMS DID I NOTICE THIS DISDAIN FOR JACOB, PRETTY MUCH ALL MY REAL LIFE MASS EFFECT PEEPS LIKE HIM....HIS CHARACTER HAS SOME FLAWS AND NOT EVERY THING THEY DID W HIM WAS GREAT....BUT YOU CAN SAY THAT FOR SEVERAL CHARACTERS, AND AGAIN HE WAS NOT SUPPOSE T BE AMONG THE MOST INTERESTING CHARACTERS LIKE MORDIN OR LEGION...
BUT FOR ME, MORE SO THAN GARRUS WHEN I GO INTO BATTE, I WANT THIS DUDE TO BE ON MY SIDE, HES MY BY BRO AND HES A MORAL DUDE-YOU KNOW WHERE HE STANDS AN HES COOL, AND GOOD BIOTICS.....

BTW STOP THE ASHLEY HATE TOO B/C SHE IS MY FAVORITE ME CHARACTER OF THEM ALL, AND SO HOT AND I WAS SO GLAD TO AT LEAST HAVE HER BACK

I didn't find Legion interesting either lol. Oddly enough though I do love Ashley and was upset when I realized she wasn't coming along for ME2. I thought Ash was my main chick up until that point. Now those props go to Tali because through it all her Joker and Garrus were the only people who truly stood by Shepards side through thick and thin. I have a lot of respect for Garrus for the fact that he goes along with Shepard at all times with no questions asked and no real obligations. My beef with Tali is that the Quarians mean more to her than saving the galaxy though I still like her she couldn't see the bigger picture in ME 2 at first and didn't see it again in ME 3. Stopping the Reapers imo took priority of getting Rannoch back because even if u got Rannoch back and couldn't stop the Reapers it wouldn't have mattered.

nah man I like legion, hes awesome as is mordin of course.....and yeah i was also greatly dissapointed about ashleys limited time in me 2, but that just shows how good me 2 was-that despite that i so loved that game and all its characters! plus i did run off w miranda in a couple of careers.....but about garrus, tali and joker staying with shep all the way-its only because thats how they wrote it ya know....coulda easily been someone else

[KevTheGamer]

Landon7001 wrote...

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

iTS LIKE i ORIGINALLY SAID, NOT UNTIL I CAME ON THESE FORUMS DID I NOTICE THIS DISDAIN FOR JACOB, PRETTY MUCH ALL MY REAL LIFE MASS EFFECT PEEPS LIKE HIM....HIS CHARACTER HAS SOME FLAWS AND NOT EVERY THING THEY DID W HIM WAS GREAT....BUT YOU CAN SAY THAT FOR SEVERAL CHARACTERS, AND AGAIN HE WAS NOT SUPPOSE T BE AMONG THE MOST INTERESTING CHARACTERS LIKE MORDIN OR LEGION...
BUT FOR ME, MORE SO THAN GARRUS WHEN I GO INTO BATTE, I WANT THIS DUDE TO BE ON MY SIDE, HES MY BY BRO AND HES A MORAL DUDE-YOU KNOW WHERE HE STANDS AN HES COOL, AND GOOD BIOTICS.....

BTW STOP THE ASHLEY HATE TOO B/C SHE IS MY FAVORITE ME CHARACTER OF THEM ALL, AND SO HOT AND I WAS SO GLAD TO AT LEAST HAVE HER BACK

I didn't find Legion interesting either lol. Oddly enough though I do love Ashley and was upset when I realized she wasn't coming along for ME2. I thought Ash was my main chick up until that point. Now those props go to Tali because through it all her Joker and Garrus were the only people who truly stood by Shepards side through thick and thin. I have a lot of respect for Garrus for the fact that he goes along with Shepard at all times with no questions asked and no real obligations. My beef with Tali is that the Quarians mean more to her than saving the galaxy though I still like her she couldn't see the bigger picture in ME 2 at first and didn't see it again in ME 3. Stopping the Reapers imo took priority of getting Rannoch back because even if u got Rannoch back and couldn't stop the Reapers it wouldn't have mattered.

nah man I like legion, hes awesome as is mordin of course.....and yeah i was also greatly dissapointed about ashleys limited time in me 2, but that just shows how good me 2 was-that despite that i so loved that game and all its characters! plus i did run off w miranda in a couple of careers.....but about garrus, tali and joker staying with shep all the way-its only because thats how they wrote it ya know....coulda easily been someone else

idk Legion was never that interesting to me. The whole heretics vs geth thing was interesting but Legion not so much. And the other characters were that awesome very true. Mordin while not the best squadmate was a great story character same with Thane. I wish Thane's story was more interesting though. I like Thane a lot. Miranda, Jack, Kasumi, Zaeed, Jacob, all had great stories. The Archangel thing was great and I love what they did with Liara in ME 2. I thought she was super nieve in ME 1 but I think they gave her a much edgier side in LOTSB and it really showed more so in ME 3. And yes it would have been cool to see it maybe written differently. I would have loved to have Kelly back on the Normandy though her story made a lot of sense. I also found it odd how everyone in the series can die except for Liara. Love Liara but a Liara death scene would have been interesting. Just to see how she would have taken it. Her final words ect. 

[What?]

I found Jacob unrepentantly boring, with little to no character development throughout ME2 or ME3. In ME2, he's a mercenary protecting Cerberus. In ME3, he's a mercenary with a girlfriend, protecting ex-Cerberus. The guy was essentially a coat-rack for my armory in ME2. That said, poor guy's squarely at the top of my "yawn list" with Kaidan, Legion, Grunt, and Samara.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 19 mai 2012 - 08:49 .

[kaymarierose]

In no particular order:

1. He is boring and has little to no character development.

2. He is annoying. "But the PRIIIIZE...."

3. Though I have not, and will not romance him ever, he is a cheating scumbag. His personality gave away the surprise. Personally, I saw it coming from a game away.

4. Being a faithful Mirimancer, and the game having hints that he and Miranda once had a thing, I'm under the impression that due to his cheating tendencies, at some point he cheated on Miranda and got dumped. I despise him for cheating on Miranda...though I'm very happy she dumped him. Jerk.

That last one was mearly head-canon, but it certainly applies to why I don't like him.

[Edolix]

There's nothing wrong with Jacob.

It's just there's nothing right about him either.

He's...unremarkable. Boring. Uninteresting. Plus, he was awful in combat in ME2.

[Ageless Face]

It was more indifference than hate in ME2. He kept things to himself and seemed sometimes he talked to Shepard out of necessity than real interest. It's not bad, really. It's respectable that he wants to keep his private life to himself, but developing love for a closed character can be hard.

In ME3, it's pretty obvious. He is the last person you'd expect to cheat on Shepard. The fact he does that doesn't bring him many fans. Even if he wasn't your LI.

[ThatDancingTurian]

HagarIshay wrote...

It was more indifference than hate in ME2. He kept things to himself and seemed sometimes he talked to Shepard out of necessity than real interest. It's not bad, really. It's respectable that he wants to keep his private life to himself, but developing love for a closed character can be hard.

In ME3, it's pretty obvious. He is the last person you'd expect to cheat on Shepard. The fact he does that doesn't bring him many fans. Even if he wasn't your LI.

This seems to be the case to me. Even now I don't see a lot of people actively hating on Jacob, he just doesn't have many fans. The ones who liked him enough to romance him ended up having the worst experience with him in ME3, so that can't help his popularity.

Then you have his condescending line about Shepard's only love being the Normandy, which didn't endear him to anyone particularly attached to the other LIs. It's such a little thing, but it made him sound like a petulant child with a first crush whining about how, "You just don't understand our love because you're dead inside!"

[MrStoob]

"but the priiiize" wins creepiest thing said in the ME universe for me lol.

[BatmanPWNS]

If Jacob was alien and Garrus was human, then nobody would give 2 crap about Garrus and call him boring while saying Jacob is so interesting.

[kaymarierose]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If Jacob was alien and Garrus was human, then nobody would give 2 crap about Garrus and call him boring while saying Jacob is so interesting.

I disagree. Jacob would still be an uninteresting cheating jerk. Garrus is a funny smartass that is exciting to be around, doesn't matter if he's an alien or not. Garrus is my bro.

[KevTheGamer]

I don't get why Jacob is being accused of "cheating" Shepard went to jail and he didn't know when she would get out or if he would even see her again and decided that he did not want to wait because she went to jail. I don't see anything wrong with that just like I don't see anything wrong with "cheating" on Ashley in ME 2 because it had been 2 years and she was pretty clear about it being over on Horizon. I honestly think there were right and wrong answers to most things in this series and the correct romance option was Liara.

[Eliantariel]

Yes well, there was Horizon with the VS but with Jacob and Femshep there was no sign of argument or something else indicating that the relationship was over. So the player/femshep was still believing that Jacob was still LI. Jacob knew that Shepard would go to earth and face trial, he could have told her before that he doesn't want to wait for her. The player could have been informed about that in a letter or something else.

Still mean to have a LI cheating on you - it only leads to people not romancing him anymore. I don't know why this should be good. And yes - without making clear that the relationship is over, it is cheating and it is different from VS/Horizon.

I have no femshep that romanced Jacob but I feel for those who did.

And no, I don't hate Jacob but he is surely one of my least favourite squadmates - why? Because of the many times in ME2 where he gives you false advice, because I feel he is forced on me as a player because after every recruitment he has to give his (mostly insulting/negative) comment on the recruits - that is so annoying. Why is not Miranda as second in command more present? And after Garrus recruitment Dr. Chakwas would have made more sense at all. And when femshep is talking to him it sounds as she is going to jump him the next minute. Annoying too but not his fault.

[KevTheGamer]

One of my FemSheps romanced Jacob I don't mind he "cheated" I don't see it as cheating. If I didn't know when I was going to see my gf again or if I was I wouldn't just sit around waiting and hoping. I am not into waiting 6 months (maybe more) or 2 years for someone I am with.

[Eliantariel]

You wouldn't speak with you gf and at least tell her that you end it? Again, everyone knew that Shepard would go to earth without knowing what will happen - if he isn't the guy who wants to wait he should have told her before. Other LIs had no problem with waiting and if I am love with someone I think 6 months are not too much to ask for. But that depends on the person. I just hadn't thought that Jacob would be the type that says easily "I love you" and has no problem to dump Shepard because he has to wait some months for her....

So I am happy that you had no problem with the romance in ME3 but the reaction on the forum shows that several others have. And I can totally understand that.

[KevTheGamer]

I don't think Shepard should have expected anything from Jacob. How many Sheps have "cheated" on their LI only to get little to no reaction? It doesn't surprise me at all really. Maybe there should have been more communication but as far as the alliance knew Jacob was a part of Cerberus it would have looked bad for Shep as well its the same reason Miranda doesn't contact him during their romance. I don't see the big deal

[Landon7001]

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

I don't get why Jacob is being accused of "cheating" Shepard went to jail and he didn't know when she would get out or if he would even see her again and decided that he did not want to wait because she went to jail. I don't see anything wrong with that just like I don't see anything wrong with "cheating" on Ashley in ME 2 because it had been 2 years and she was pretty clear about it being over on Horizon. I honestly think there were right and wrong answers to most things in this series and the correct romance option was Liara.

actually the correct romance was laira, ashley or kaidan....its pretty clear. they even say so on the first page of the art book in me 3 collectors edition, that they were intended as the main romances through all 3 games, hence the only 3 flash backs are of tem on the citadel at end...though i wish theyd considered making mirana more 3a, anyway......though i hated that i couldnt recruit my fellow biotic bro in me3, it didnt seem kind of fitting that jacob found a family and had a baby-becoming a father himself

[Landon7001]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If Jacob was alien and Garrus was human, then nobody would give 2 crap about Garrus and call him boring while saying Jacob is so interesting.

I think there's something to this....neither are bad characters{really ALL me characters have their merits} but is garrus REALLY so much more interesting than jacob....i think not....garrus is a good, moral character w/ daddy issues just like jacob, intended as a bro or romance for shep just like jacob, whose had to go against the grain and go to the "dark side", or other side to keep their own intense integrity JUST LIKE JACOB



...and i just hope race wasnt a factor w some ppl w jacob cuz in this day and age, and in the mass effect ay and age that would just be really sad, ignorant and disgusting....and for afamrcn fans or any other color fans who thought he wasnt a good respresentative in the future  why the hell not...hes one of the goodest guys of the entire franchise and has class, integrity, leadership,power....but im really gonna leave that topic alone now......

[Landon7001]

jacob is a MAIN character in me2 and next in command after miranda, thats why hes in all those post recruitment comm room cut scenes

[CheeseEnchilada]

KevWestBeats.com wrote...

I don't think Shepard should have expected anything from Jacob. How many Sheps have "cheated" on their LI only to get little to no reaction? It doesn't surprise me at all really. Maybe there should have been more communication but as far as the alliance knew Jacob was a part of Cerberus it would have looked bad for Shep as well its the same reason Miranda doesn't contact him during their romance. I don't see the big deal

The main problem that I have, at least, is not that a character 'cheated' or the interpretation of whether he did or not. It's that it's painfully clear that they didn't want to spend the resources on his romance, and found a way to get around that by having no differing paths whether he was romanced or not. And as much as I like my Jacob romance, I think I'd be a little more understanding if the hospital scene had at least been different. Like Thane's death scene, it's the same regardless if he had been a LI in ME2, which is more than a little jarring. If this is meant to be such a realistic scenario, why does it feel so forced and unfinished?

If Liara had cheated on Shepard with Feron, or if Garrus and Tali always got together, or if Jack or Miranda had dumped Shepard no matter what, there would be outrage. As it stands, Jacob is the least popular, but for me that doesn't mean his fans should be dumped on in a way that would never stand for any other LI. And if they were determined to go through with this plot, I just wish it had been better executed. Jacob cheats, Shepard either gets a flirty line or calls him a bastard, Brynn makes a posessive statement, and that's it. That's the fallout. It's the same laziness that was seen in Thane's 'romance', and it's unfortunate. Not every character is going to get equal content, but as you pointed out in a previous post, this level of inequality makes it feel like there were right and wrong romance choices, which, in a game based on choice, probably shouldn't happen.

Whether or not Jacob actually cheated, it feel it could have been done better. Really, that extends to all the ME2 romances, but Jacob in particular.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Landon7001 wrote...

I think there's something to this....neither are bad characters{really ALL me characters have their merits} but is garrus REALLY so much more interesting than jacob....i think not....garrus is a good, moral character w/ daddy issues just like jacob, intended as a bro or romance for shep just like jacob, whose had to go against the grain and go to the "dark side", or other side to keep their own intense integrity JUST LIKE JACOB

Garrus was a cowboy cop turned Space Batman turned high-ranking military consultant. Garrus has an important job on the Normandy taking care of the ship's main weapons. His special skill is that he is nearly unmatched with a sniper rifle.

Jacob was a soldier turned Cerberus security guard turned baby-daddy. I'm not sure what he does on the Normandy. His special skill is that he's a biotic, but there are at least five biotics on the squad that far surpass him in ability. Jack, Samara, Liara, Miranda and Kaidan all have genetic or scientific advantages to boost their biotics, Jacob does not. So in essence, he has only one 'special' skill, and he's the worst at it out of everyone else that has that 'special' skill.

In answer to your question, yes. Garrus is so much more interesting than Jacob, alien or not.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If Jacob was alien and Garrus was human, then nobody would give 2 crap about Garrus and call him boring while saying Jacob is so interesting.

lolno.

[DirtySHISN0]

Landon7001 wrote...

Jacob is a b̶a̶c̶k̶g̶r̶o̶u̶n̶d̶ "main" character in ME2 and next in command after Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Mordin, Samara, Thane, Legion, Grunt, Jack, Zaeed and kasumi that's why he's barely in (and has no influence in) all those post recruitment comm room cut scenes.

Fixed.

[Landon7001]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

Jacob is a b̶a̶c̶k̶g̶r̶o̶u̶n̶d̶ "main" character in ME2 and next in command after Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Mordin, Samara, Thane, Legion, Grunt, Jack, Zaeed and kasumi that's why he's barely in (and has no influence in) all those post recruitment comm room cut scenes.

Fixed.

do not fix my quotes home boy, they do not need fixing....i said exactly what i meant to say   and there is a diffrence between fact and opinion and the FACT is based on all mandatory cut scenes and game plots, Jacob is behind only miranda and jacob, hell he really might be in front of them in appearance, just not in overall importance....and quite frankly i really could give a flying **** what you think.....both miranda and jacob were a breath of fresh air that i thoroughly enjoyed in me 2

[Landon7001]

ok that did need fixing behind only miranda and *tim