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[vvDRUCILLAvv]

To me Jacob seem disinterested in getting to know my Shepard let alone talking to her. He didn't seem genuine to me.

[Jim Cognito]

His loyalty mission in ME2 is one of the more grim dark ones which I like and his reactions throughout it but for people who say he's boring i find Kaiden to be far more boring, a portion of Thane's chats to be boring and Garrus only seems to be interesting during the romance aside from that it's off sarcasm and calibrations.

[Oransel]

Jacob is boring, he is a troll (his attitude towards Tali), he has no distinctive personality, he cheats on you, he refuses to join you when you call him (twice!) and finally - yeah, he is a douchebag. Has nothing to do with his race.

[Frozen83]

He's not bad, but I really wanted a renegade interrupt when he begins about Shepard only loving his ship, duty, mission, unlike him who is all family and love and whatever. Players don't like to be judged by NPCs. More, players don't like when they cannot say anything back. Third, he's wrong, especially if you play Liara romance arc over the trilogy. It seems off when Jacob, who just started his relationship judges over Shepard who has been with Liara ince ME1. Come on! To sum it up, he is ok, I liked him in ME2, but they really messed him in ME3. Too bad. M.

[Landon7001]

regarding jacobs leadership....in the suicide mission if u put him as a team leader he will not die...along with only miranda and garrus, everyone else does.....so there

[DevilBeast]

surleygentelman wrote...

Well, the fact is that no African American character has ever been written well. Jacob is no different. As African American we are not ment to be the hero or even the side kick to the hero. The obvious and most likely blatent use of sterotypes in his "romance" are appaling. He cheats on gem shroud after six monthes, really bioware do you even think about how black people are going to look at that or are we just another missing demographic to you? However, you react to this post the sad fact of it is true. African Americans are not ever going to be portrayed as the hero( or villian for that matter) a casual glance at every aspect of American entertainment can verify that. Not marvel,dc,Idw,darkhorse or any other comic has a viable agri an American character. No video game to date has been created with a real black hero as the lead. It is obvious that people want to be saved from black people not by black people and bioware has gone right along and contributed to that frame of thought.

Actually you can have an African/African American, Latin, Asian etc. hero in ME. You just customize your Shepard as being African, Asian an whatnot. And before you start to talk about canon Shepard is meant to be white, then I should mention that Shepard isn´t meant to be a woman either, but that hasn´t kept people from playing as femshep.

BTW: I see you mention comic books never having an African American as the hero/main character, well, what do you call Blade then??

Modifié par DevilBeast, 21 mai 2012 - 05:25 .

[DevilBeast]

Youth4Ever wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

Well, the fact is that no African American character has ever been written well. Jacob is no different. As African American we are not ment to be the hero or even the side kick to the hero. The obvious and most likely blatent use of sterotypes in his "romance" are appaling. He cheats on gem shroud after six monthes, really bioware do you even think about how black people are going to look at that or are we just another missing demographic to you? However, you react to this post the sad fact of it is true. African Americans are not ever going to be portrayed as the hero( or villian for that matter) a casual glance at every aspect of American entertainment can verify that. Not marvel,dc,Idw,darkhorse or any other comic has a viable agri an American character. No video game to date has been created with a real black hero as the lead. It is obvious that people want to be saved from black people not by black people and bioware has gone right along and contributed to that frame of thought.

Sad, but true. Only game I can think of with a fleshed out black cast was GTA: San Andreas...

... A cast which consisted mainly of gangbangers. Stereotypes, anyone??

[Landon7001]

DevilBeast wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

Well, the fact is that no African American character has ever been written well. Jacob is no different. As African American we are not ment to be the hero or even the side kick to the hero. The obvious and most likely blatent use of sterotypes in his "romance" are appaling. He cheats on gem shroud after six monthes, really bioware do you even think about how black people are going to look at that or are we just another missing demographic to you? However, you react to this post the sad fact of it is true. African Americans are not ever going to be portrayed as the hero( or villian for that matter) a casual glance at every aspect of American entertainment can verify that. Not marvel,dc,Idw,darkhorse or any other comic has a viable agri an American character. No video game to date has been created with a real black hero as the lead. It is obvious that people want to be saved from black people not by black people and bioware has gone right along and contributed to that frame of thought.

Sad, but true. Only game I can think of with a fleshed out black cast was GTA: San Andreas...

... A cast which consisted mainly of gangbangers. Stereotypes, anyone??

yeah GTA.....not a good example.....everyone knows GTA is nothing BUT stereotypes regardless of their color....

but for good examples   check out star trek with its lauded inerracial/species casts {ds9-sisko} and there are others

[Deltakarma]

I was never a fan of his.

As soon as I met him in the Prolouge, I was an Adept. I was like,

"A gunman/biotic? Sorry, thats only me"

My type of play style did not call for him either. I was a mean SoB who ran up and made him pull people I was bashing, I kept distance. All I did was bound with biotics with my squad of Grunt, Jack, or Legion. They complimented my play style way better than Jacob.

He also had a somewhat awkward first impression. Would have loved to see him in a different situation where TIM just made you have a meeting with him from a dossier or something like Kasumi or Zaeed. Kasumi and Zaeed had excellent first impressions.

Sorry, just my thought process of it.

[KevTheGamer]

Deltakarma wrote...

I was never a fan of his.

As soon as I met him in the Prolouge, I was an Adept. I was like,

"A gunman/biotic? Sorry, thats only me"

My type of play style did not call for him either. I was a mean SoB who ran up and made him pull people I was bashing, I kept distance. All I did was bound with biotics with my squad of Grunt, Jack, or Legion. They complimented my play style way better than Jacob.

He also had a somewhat awkward first impression. Would have loved to see him in a different situation where TIM just made you have a meeting with him from a dossier or something like Kasumi or Zaeed. Kasumi and Zaeed had excellent first impressions.

Sorry, just my thought process of it.

You bring up a great point about playing styles that I agree with. I think it is very important to understand how you want to play the game and pick your squad accordingly. Example I also did not find Jacob useful when playing as an Adept but when playing as a Solider I really liked having him around. The same way as when I was an engineer I didn't have much use for Tali or Legion unless I wanted to have 3 combat drones flying around taking care of stuff rather than bringing heavy hitters like Jack, Thane or Grunt. 

[frozn89]

Scumbag Jacob - Talks about spilling drinks on the Citadel, meets you at Huerta Memorial.

[CrimsonN7]

I don't know that missile in the collector base in my numerous playthroughs seemed to like Jacob alot.

In all seriousness though the man is a bleh character, in ME2 he just felt like a corporate brown-noser, had nothing interesting to say, out of all the biotics he was the weakest link, would have preferred to recruit his dad to be honest. Also forcing poor femshep to act flirty to him each time we have to talk to him, ugh seriously not cool and if by some miracle he avoids his appointment with mr. missile he is even more irritating in ME3.

[Landon7001]

frozn89 wrote...

Scumbag Jacob - Talks about spilling drinks on the Citadel, meets you at Huerta Memorial.

uuuhhhh.....yet ANOTHER missed oppurtunity/ oversight in me 3 by bioware

[GuardianAngel470]

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[Ghost_Nappa]

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[Landon7001]

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[Landon7001]

.....SOMETIMES I WONDER ABOUT HUMANITY....

[GuardianAngel470]

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[GuardianAngel470]

Any and all race discussions are one thing and one thing only: self-imposed segregation. You take a side, they take a side, and then you have people of different races jumping in to seem holy but who only contribute to the problem.

Race, color, gender, sexual preference, and creed are all irrelevant to every discussion. They serve no purpose other than to divide a group of people, they have no significance to the topic at hand in every instance, and they perpetuate a problem that has gone on for thousands of years.

The moment you stop even thinking about people as belonging to a particular race or what have you is the moment racism stops.

[Landon7001]

of all the legit, real problems and obstacles out there in the world the fact we still have weeds lik guardianangel470 causing excess, uneccessary problems and division.....bigotry may ave existed since before antiquity but even disgusting ppl like guardianangel470 cant change the fact were really starting to move closer to that ld american phrase thats been blood stained in ypocrisy for a long time: "liberty and justice for all".......you sir are not worthy to be a fan a franchise such as mass effect, its too sophisticated for you EVEN THAT ENDING......

[Ghost_Nappa]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Any and all race discussions are one thing and one thing only: self-imposed segregation. You take a side, they take a side, and then you have people of different races jumping in to seem holy but who only contribute to the problem.

Race, color, gender, sexual preference, and creed are all irrelevant to every discussion. They serve no purpose other than to divide a group of people, they have no significance to the topic at hand in every instance, and they perpetuate a problem that has gone on for thousands of years.

The moment you stop even thinking about people as belonging to a particular race or what have you is the moment racism stops.

Thats very through reply...however the response you recieved feels like a two wrongs situations.
Or more aking to saying "Hey Gasoline, stop this fire!"...and on the BSN forums no less.

Oh well so much for voicing opinions over one of many characters that got shafted due to shoddy writing or retcons.

[Landon7001]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Any and all race discussions are one thing and one thing only: self-imposed segregation. You take a side, they take a side, and then you have people of different races jumping in to seem holy but who only contribute to the problem.

Race, color, gender, sexual preference, and creed are all irrelevant to every discussion. They serve no purpose other than to divide a group of people, they have no significance to the topic at hand in every instance, and they perpetuate a problem that has gone on for thousands of years.

The moment you stop even thinking about people as belonging to a particular race or what have you is the moment racism stops.

you are the one who came on here spitting hate.....and no, i recognize and value diversity....how dull would life be w/o it?   mass effect is a great example-on your squad u want a variety of abilities that each squaddie brings....in battke and for the dynamics and enhancement of the quality of the story....
but ultimately we all belong to one race, were all scarlet. we bleed the same color inside.....besides were all immigrants from africa if you eant to break it down.....

[GuardianAngel470]

Landon7001 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Any and all race discussions are one thing and one thing only: self-imposed segregation. You take a side, they take a side, and then you have people of different races jumping in to seem holy but who only contribute to the problem.

Race, color, gender, sexual preference, and creed are all irrelevant to every discussion. They serve no purpose other than to divide a group of people, they have no significance to the topic at hand in every instance, and they perpetuate a problem that has gone on for thousands of years.

The moment you stop even thinking about people as belonging to a particular race or what have you is the moment racism stops.

you are the one who came on here spitting hate.....and no, i recognize and value diversity....how dull would life be w/o it?   mass effect is a great example-on your squad u want a variety of abilities that each squaddie brings....in battke and for the dynamics and enhancement of the quality of the story....
but ultimately we all belong to one race, were all scarlet. we bleed the same color inside.....besides were all immigrants from africa if you eant to break it down.....

As I said, I was proving a point.

[AndreasShepard]

Deltakarma wrote...

I was never a fan of his.

As soon as I met him in the Prolouge, I was an Adept. I was like,

"A gunman/biotic? Sorry, thats only me"

My type of play style did not call for him either. I was a mean SoB who ran up and made him pull people I was bashing, I kept distance. All I did was bound with biotics with my squad of Grunt, Jack, or Legion. They complimented my play style way better than Jacob.

He also had a somewhat awkward first impression. Would have loved to see him in a different situation where TIM just made you have a meeting with him from a dossier or something like Kasumi or Zaeed. Kasumi and Zaeed had excellent first impressions.

Sorry, just my thought process of it.

His first impression was pretty terrible, wasn't sure if I could trust him, and he never really convinced me otherwise throughout the rest of the game.  It kinda bothers me that he's so chummy with Shepard in ME3, considering I barely knew the guy.  After all he was never "big on forcing talks," he was a difficult character to really know.

[Landon7001]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Any and all race discussions are one thing and one thing only: self-imposed segregation. You take a side, they take a side, and then you have people of different races jumping in to seem holy but who only contribute to the problem.

Race, color, gender, sexual preference, and creed are all irrelevant to every discussion. They serve no purpose other than to divide a group of people, they have no significance to the topic at hand in every instance, and they perpetuate a problem that has gone on for thousands of years.

The moment you stop even thinking about people as belonging to a particular race or what have you is the moment racism stops.

you are the one who came on here spitting hate.....and no, i recognize and value diversity....how dull would life be w/o it?   mass effect is a great example-on your squad u want a variety of abilities that each squaddie brings....in battke and for the dynamics and enhancement of the quality of the story....
but ultimately we all belong to one race, were all scarlet. we bleed the same color inside.....besides were all immigrants from africa if you eant to break it down.....

As I said, I was proving a point.

your point is flawed.....a persons race is a part of what each individual is, part of what makes them who they are....the problem is when ppl start thinking that your race DEFINES who you are....its only one of many aspects, such as sex, religion, nationality, your own decisions and experiences.....
i think ppl more than ever  do see a person before their color, but its ok to recognize the beauty of diversity......willfully ignoring knowledge isnt exactly prudent or intellegent.......the weapon is thought.....