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[landylan]

with the exception of the asari adept, the infiltrators are easily the most deadly class in the game. what classes are you sorely disappointed with and want buffed? should we even buff our classes or should we just weaken the infiltrators?  personally im disappointed in krogan melees. they have almost the same base dmg as turians and phantoms can stop me in the middle of my melee to execute me. my drell isnt good unless i use a gps on it even

[Methanoid666]

if infiltrators were that awesome everyone would use one, and we dont.

just because someone rocks an infiltrator doesnt mean they automatically land 100% headshots all day long, some people do *gasp* miss.

[landylan]

Methanoid666 wrote...

if infiltrators were that awesome everyone would use one, and we dont.

just because someone rocks an infiltrator doesnt mean they automatically land 100% headshots all day long, some people do *gasp* miss.

do you even realize how people play infiltrators? you dont even have to land headshots. most dont even use snipers. i kill a ravager in about literally one second with my geth infiltrator. headshots arent the needed on gold bc of the shield gate. everything dies in two shots with a sniper just so you know. everyone pretty much does "rock" an infiltrator with the exception of a few classes. i score over 120k every game with an infiltrator and i cant get that without my infiltrators

Modifié par landylan, 16 mai 2012 - 06:29 .

[AdmLancel]

Pretty much, I only seem to get a silver headshot medal in Gold because of all the things that either cannot be headshotted or are pointless to headshot. Body shots tend to do enough damage.

[Methanoid666]

landylan wrote...

Methanoid666 wrote...

if infiltrators were that awesome everyone would use one, and we dont.

just because someone rocks an infiltrator doesnt mean they automatically land 100% headshots all day long, some people do *gasp* miss.

do you even realize how people play infiltrators? you dont even have to land headshots. most dont even use snipers. i kill a ravager in about literally one second with my geth infiltrator. headshots arent the needed on gold bc of the shield gate. everything dies in two shots with a sniper just so you know. everyone pretty much does "rock" an infiltrator with the exception of a few classes. i score over 120k every game with an infiltrator and i cant get that without my infiltrators

if you play that infiltrator well im guessing youd do just as well with the geth/human eng and a few others.

[GodlessPaladin]

landylan wrote...

with the exception of the asari adept, the infiltrators are easily the most deadly class in the game. what classes are you sorely disappointed with and want buffed? should we even buff our classes or should we just weaken the infiltrators?  personally im disappointed in krogan melees. they have almost the same base dmg as turians and phantoms can stop me in the middle of my melee to execute me. my drell isnt good unless i use a gps on it even

I think you are sorely underestimating Drell (or at least the Drell Adept).  The Drell Adept is a killing machine against Reapers if you know how to use it to its potential.  I can make a video demonstrating the way I use it if you like.  It's easily a match for the Asari Adept, if not better (though you don't really want more than one or two grenadiers on a team or cluster grenades will be scarce).

Anyways, I have quite a few thoughts on how I'd upgrade underperforming options if I had any say in things.  I tend to analyze and posit potential changes for games other than the ones I actually work on just for the sake of the thought exercise.  Might post a big fat list of ideas later if I have time (though I have a rather outdated thread with such suggestions from a coupla weeks ago.  If you have any interest in that I can post a link).

For the most part, I think significant nerfs to the infiltrators would be the wrong way to go, simply because I feel that the higher tier classes in this gave have a better gameplay flow, whereas lower tier ones like the Turian Soldier are rather awkward (Proximity Mine, Concussive Shot, and Marksman don't really mesh with each other too well).  Choosing to buff underperforming classes rather than nerf those at the top would therefore give some elbow room to redesign those classes to be more fun while we're at the task of achieving balance.

While I'm at it, I'd probably actually improve the viability of some evolution options for even the higher tier classes.  After all, what really matters isn't the power of a class, it's the power of a *specific build and loadout for a given character.*  As is, there are underperforming evolutions even on classes that have very effective build choices... and I'm not a fan of Ivory Tower Game Design, so that would have to go out the window. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 05:36 .

[No Snakes Alive]

They already are balanced out. You're confusing quality with ease of use. It's easier to kick ass with an Infiltrator but I guarantee I'll kick at least as much with anything from a Human Soldier to a Krogan Sentinel.

[GodlessPaladin]

No Snakes Alive wrote...
They already are balanced out.

While I think that some overstate the extent of the balance disparity between classes, there is no such thing as perfect balance in a game as complex as Mass Effect 3's multiplayer.  And frankly there's no way that a Batarian Sentinel is perfectly balanced with a Geth Infiltrator.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 05:27 .

[SimulatedSnowman]

ALL HAVE CLOAK ALL HAVE HURRICANE

[No Snakes Alive]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

No Snakes Alive wrote...
They already are balanced out.

While I think that some overstate the extent of the balance disparity between classes, there is no such thing as perfect balance in a game as complex as Mass Effect 3's multiplayer.  And frankly there's no way that a Batarian Sentinel is perfectly balanced with a Geth Infiltrator.

A capable Batarian Sentinel on a team of Justicar's can outscore a Geth Inflitrator with ease, and assist the team to a much greater extent. In most players' hands, a Geth infiltrator is someone that requires revival every two seconds.

The point of this game is to survive and kill all your enemies, and sure some classes excel at either or both of those more than others but any class can get it done extremely well. If you're on xbox, I'll take my Batarian Sentinel up against your Geth Infiltrator any day to prove it.

There's no such thing as perfect balance but this game is beyond balanced enough, and anyone who says otherwise just isn't utilizing the classes they find inferior to the best of their abilities.

[cuzIMgood]

IMO infiltrators should be nerfed because if every class were as good as them this game would be retardedly easy (pretty much already is).

[molecularman]

Nerf tactical coal cooldown.

[molecularman]

Cloak, dammit

[Nissun]

landylan wrote...

with the exception of the asari adept, the infiltrators are easily the most deadly class in the game.

Translation: I ONLY KNOW HOW TO USE TWO CHARACTERS HURR DURR SO THAT MEANS ALL THE OTHERS SUCK DURRRR

Modifié par Nissun, 17 mai 2012 - 05:44 .

[GodlessPaladin]

No Snakes Alive wrote...
A capable Batarian Sentinel on a team of Justicar's can outscore a Geth Inflitrator with ease, and assist the team to a much greater extent. In most players' hands, a Geth infiltrator is someone that requires revival every two seconds.

  Shockwave might be helpful on a team of 3 characters with Reave and Biotic Bubble, but the Submission Net, Blade Armor, et cetera aren't really adding to that.  You might as well just play a Human Adept and gain the extra self-sufficiency too.

If you're on xbox, I'll take my Batarian Sentinel up against your Geth Infiltrator any day to prove it.

  I happen to be on Xbox.  GT:  OneWinged4ngel.  I would be really pleasantly surprised to see a genuinely effective BS that was more than just a second string Shockwave spam.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 05:46 .

[Farmtech-Ru]

This info is not correct, nearly completely. Infiltrators are best in random bs, when there's no teamplay. In a coordinated team with healing from GI, other classes do quite some damage aaand have fun in the process of doing so. Coordinated turian attacks or batarian bb salvos done by 3 soldiers can wreak total havok. Under the condition of timely healing and or defensive justicar field.

[Nissun]

By the way that's not a personal attack to *you*.

I'm just tired of the people that don't know how to use classes that require using more than two buttons. Some classes may be underpowered and need fixes, yes. But if you don't know how to turn a Drell Adept or Turian Sentinel (for example) into a killing machine, that's *your* problem.

[GodlessPaladin]

I feel I should point out that 3 ballistic blades is rather wasteful when you can get the same result with one good Batarian Soldier player and less grenadier anti-synergy.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 05:48 .

[staindgrey]

Is Infiltrator even really the best class? I'd argue Adepts are superior with maxed out biotic explosion perks. If I'm faced with a horde of banshees and brutes, I'd rather be a good adept than a good infiltrator.

[Maria Caliban]

No Snakes Alive wrote...

If you're on xbox, I'll take my Batarian Sentinel up against your Geth Infiltrator any day to prove it.

I think you're making a sucker's bet.

staindgrey wrote...

Is Infiltrator even really the best class? I'd argue Adepts are superior with maxed out biotic explosion perks. If I'm faced with a horde of banshees and brutes, I'd rather be a good adept than a good infiltrator.

The adepts and infiltrators are both excellent classes. If I'm faced with a horde of banshees and brutes, I'd rather be a good infiltrator with a good adept on the team.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 mai 2012 - 05:53 .

[GodlessPaladin]

staindgrey wrote...

Is Infiltrator even really the best class? I'd argue Adepts are superior with maxed out biotic explosion perks. If I'm faced with a horde of banshees and brutes, I'd rather be a good adept than a good infiltrator.

If you really want to get down and dirty about what's best of the best, you have to look at team compositions rather than individual classes.  And Infiltrators definitely have distinct team roles that are valuable on optimized teams.  However, as I've said before, I don't think they're alone at the top.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 05:51 .

[CNevarezN]

I'm awesome, period.

[staindgrey]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

Is Infiltrator even really the best class? I'd argue Adepts are superior with maxed out biotic explosion perks. If I'm faced with a horde of banshees and brutes, I'd rather be a good adept than a good infiltrator.

If you really want to get down and dirty about what's best of the best, you have to look at team compositions rather than individual classes.  And Infiltrators definitely have distinct team roles that are valuable on optimized teams.  However, as I've said before, I don't think they're alone at the top.

That's obvious, but it's still fun to do the whole tier list runaround like in fighting games. I just think Infiltrators get unfairly hyped up due to soloing rounds with cloak.