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[No Snakes Alive]

Almost every single quote you post of yours that I'm allegedly responding to is NOT what I originally responded to. You've taken almost all of it out of context.

I said I accepted the challenge immediately and YOU then backed down from the stipulation of having Judsticars (by claiming you didn't remember that being a stipulation of it, at which point I suggested you reread what I wrote). I said that in response to Snorlax claiming *I* backed down. So taken in context, it's me simply defending that I did not back down, and that if he's going to consider what I questioned as backing down then why wouldn't he consider what you questioned the same? That's how context works. Sorry I can't multi-quote in the actual true order that things occurred since I'm on my phone, but what you're doing is obnoxious.

Stop taking quotes from me at different times and directly dissecting each word without any context. So again, I didn't accuse you of backing down for saying you couldn't get Asari at a moment's notice (that was a different post entirely). I accused you of doing the same thing I did, which Snorlax considered backing down, by questioning that having Asari was even a stipulation in the first place, since all I'd done up to that point was question the stipulations as well. What you've accused me of is flat out untrue.

I also never said "you twisted my words." when you said you didn't remember Justicars being a "stipulation" of the "challenge" I asked you to reread what I wrote and not twist it into a 1v1 high-score challenge. Of course you then proceeded to quote a different paragraph where I said on the right team a Batarian Sentinel could outperform an Infiltrator. That was actually not what I challenged to prove to you initially either. If you'd read my post IN ORDER, what I said specifically was "The point of this game is to survive and kill all your enemies, and sure some classes excel at either or both of those more than others but any class can get it done extremely well. If you're on Xbox, I'll take my Batarian Sentinel up against your Geth Infiltrator any day to prove it."

How you got that the "it" I was referring to proving wasn't that any class could perform extremely well but actually instead something I quoted in an entirely different paragraph earlier about Batarian Sentinels being capable of outscoring/supporting a Geth Infiltrator on the right team is beyond me. I didn't even back down from that statement though, because I did say it. If you have any idea what the word "can" means though, I still don't even see how you'd be proving me wrong if you DID outscore me. And again, two sentences back to back, the second with an "it" in it that refers so very clearly to the previous sentence, and people jumped down my throat as if I said you and me: duel.

And like I said when I first told you I'm super down for this, it was intended as a good-natured attempt to prove a Batarian Sentinel's worth to the right team. It's a team game after all, right? And if I recall correctly, you agreed (though if I didn't recall correctly I'm sure you'll crucify me with direct quotes).

So again, I said I'm down for challenges I didn't even intend to issue, and you've been acting like I insulted your favorite class or your skill. I still accept even though I'm not nearly as thrilled to be playing with you as I was when I thought we'd have some good cooperative fun.

[GodlessPaladin]

No Snakes Alive wrote... you've been acting like I insulted your favorite class or your skill.

Whaaa? 
Speaking of twisting words... when did I ever say anything that even remotely implied that I felt my skill or favorite class was insulted?

So again, I said I'm down for challenges I didn't even intend to issue

Hey look, no one's forcing you to do anything.  Now maybe it's just the alleged horrible reading comprehension of everyone else, but to us "A capable Batarian Sentinel on a team of Justicar's can outscore a Geth Inflitrator with ease, and assist the team to a much greater extent. ... If you're on xbox, I'll take my Batarian Sentinel up against your Geth Infiltrator any day to prove it." looked kinda like you intended to issue a challenge wherein you predicted that you would be able to outscore the other participant.  I guess we stand corrected. 

So again, I didn't accuse you of backing down for saying you couldn't
get Asari at a moment's notice (that was a different post entirely).

he tried to back down

I accused you of doing the same thing I did, which Snorlax considered
backing down, by questioning that having Asari was even a stipulation in
the first place, since all I'd done up to that point was question the
stipulations as well.

...Okay... whatever.  I really don't care anymore.  This whole thing has been very depressing for me.  I thought I was going to maybe make a new friend on XBL and have a few unorthodox matches.  I am sorry if I misunderstood you.

Well, I guess I got two more Asari Justicars on my friend list, so there's that. 

No Snakes Alive wrote...
I also never said "you twisted my words."

Perhaps you should check what I wrote again then and not twist it into some 1 vs. 1 high-score challenge?

All you've done this entire time is take everything I've said out of context.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 11:06 .

[holdenagincourt]

*came to this thread to see whether thread had more infiltrator balance comments*

*backs out slowly*

[Maria Caliban]

I'm comfortable saying I could outscore all of you with any class/race, as long as you're on X-Box and I don't have to prove it.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 mai 2012 - 10:50 .

[FataliTensei]

To the guys I was playing with ealier that i met in this thread, I am so incredibly sorry you had to her that, I thought my mic was off but my partner turned it on when he was trying to make me mess up on the game, again so sorry

[GodlessPaladin]

FataliTensei wrote...

To the guys I was playing with ealier that i met in this thread, I am so incredibly sorry you had to her that, I thought my mic was off but my partner turned it on when he was trying to make me mess up on the game, again so sorry

No problem.

[No Snakes Alive]

[quote]GodlessPaladin wrote...

[quote]No Snakes Alive wrote... you've been acting like I insulted your favorite class or your skill.[/quote]Whaaa? 
Speaking of twisting words... when did I ever say anything that even remotely implied that I felt my skill or favorite class was insulted?

[quote]So again, I said I'm down for challenges I didn't even intend to issue[/quote]
Hey look, no one's forcing you to do anything.  Now maybe it's just the alleged horrible reading comprehension of everyone else, but to us "A capable Batarian Sentinel on a team of Justicar's can outscore a Geth Inflitrator with ease, and assist the team to a much greater extent. ... If you're on xbox, I'll take my Batarian Sentinel up against your Geth Infiltrator any day to prove it." looked kinda like you intended to issue a challenge.  I guess we stand corrected. 

[quote]No Snakes Alive wrote...
I also never said "you twisted my words."[/quote]
[quote]Perhaps you should check what I wrote again then and not twist it into some 1 vs. 1 high-score challenge?[/quote][quote] All you've done this entire time is take everything I've said out of context.[/quote][/quote]

Let's begin with the initial "challenge" I issued, shall we? Not the claim I made in the paragraph before it about what a capable Batarian Sentinel CAN do on a team of Biotics as opposed to a Geth Infiltrator under the same circumstances. That's not really going to be proven or disproven one way or another if our skill levels vastly differ, which who knows if they might? Either way, I accepted the "challenge" you issued to disprove my claim that had nothing to do with the actual "challenge" I issued nonetheless, and considered it all to be in good-natured fun. Here's my initial "challenge" in the exact paragraph it appeared, in full:

[quote]No Snakes Alive wrote...





The point of this game is to survive and kill
all your enemies, and sure some classes excel at either or both of
those more than others but any class can get it done extremely well. If
you're on xbox, I'll take my Batarian Sentinel up against your Geth
Infiltrator any day to prove it. [/quote] 

I even clarified my intentions for you immediately and you seemed to agree... or so I thought.

[quote]GodlessPaladin wrote...





[quote]No Snakes Alive wrote...


And BTW, before this turns into some


sort of pseudo-deathmatch, I didn't issue it as a challenge to show you


up. I offered to show you Batarian Sentinels are incredibly effective


and supportive on the right team, often times even more so than an


Infiltrator is. So people need to calm down with the pay-per-view fight


attitudes lol.[/quote]





I
know.  I didn't take it otherwise.  Like I said, I would be happy to
see the Batarian Sentinel prove to be something other than a second
string Shockwave spammer.  I am, however, skeptical.


[/quote]





How does that turn into all this?

[quote]GodlessPaladin wrote...







I can record it if Snakes actually shows up.







[/quote]



[quote]GodlessPaladin wrote...



[quote]No Snakes Alive wrote... As long as I contribute, I feel I've proven my point.[/quote]
 
In order to prove your point, you would have to demonstrate that a
Batarian Sentinel on a team of Asari Justicars can "outscore a Geth
Infiltrator with ease" and "assist the team to a greater extent."  "As
long as I contribute" is not a fair criteria for rendering that
statement falsifiable.

[/quote][quote]GodlessPaladin wrote...



[quote]GodlessPaladin wrote...

No, because your
statement was that you would easily outscore the Geth Infiltrator on a
team of Justicars.  That is a very, very easy statement to render
falsifiable as long as you are not flat out disingenuous.

[/quote]
[/quote]

So again, yes I made that statement that a Batarian Sentinel CAN outperform a Geth Infiltrator (outscore AND support), and I stand by it. I think someone at the skill level of JumPiN could certainly prove it too. I never intended to try myself, but when you jumped at the chance I certainly didn't back down. You made it more than what it was, repeatedly, as did some others, but it's no sweat off my back. All you focused on was OUTSCORE and you got what I'm sure is going to be a Melee Infiltrator build ready, as if that would disprove anything I said. Bravo.

Let's go tonight. I don't really care to argue context at this point any more, and like I said from the start, I'm super down. I'd prefer not to play with people I can't stand though, if it makes no difference to you. My apologies for whatever role I played in how ridiculous this has gotten, but again, I was merely trying to defend that I didn't back down from some imaginary "I'm better than you" challenge that people seemed to have made it out to be.

Modifié par No Snakes Alive, 17 mai 2012 - 11:09 .

[GodlessPaladin]

If you still want to play send me an invite and I'll play. *Shrug*

I am sorry if we misinterpreted you. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[FataliTensei]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

If you still want to play send me an invite and I'll play. *Shrug*

If you still need a justicar I'm in

[A Wild Snorlax]

FataliTensei wrote...

To the guys I was playing with ealier that i met in this thread, I am so incredibly sorry you had to her that, I thought my mic was off but my partner turned it on when he was trying to make me mess up on the game, again so sorry

No problem. My headset was being funky and I had problems hearing anything except the game sound anyway :S

[molecularman]

Jeez guys

[No Snakes Alive]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

If you still want to play send me an invite and I'll play. *Shrug*

I am sorry if we misinterpreted you. 

If you mean play WITH me, sure, dude. It's still co-op in the end, whether I do end up detonating enough explosions and pummeling enough reapers' faces to prove that bold claim I made true or you invisi-melee every single enemy to death youself and leave me twiddling my thumbs with a score of 10k, or anywhere in between the two extremes.

And like I said earlier, I'd love to pair up some other underutilized and overpowered class combos to see both how I fair in comparison and how we fair as a whole. Krogan Sentinel with Salarian Infiltrator, Human Soldier against Asari Adept, you name it. All in good fun, just to really test out the balance discrepencies between the bottom of the pack and the top, to see if the classes really DO need better balance or not. I thought it'd be a cool idea, but somehow it spiraled into me being a **** and ducking some challenge (not saying those were your own accusations).

But in all fairness, if you're one of the best players around which is the impression I'm getting, and I'm not at your skill level (which could very well be the case and I'm more than happy to try and find out later), that wouldn't really prove much.

Either way, down for all of the above if you are!

P.S. re: the edit... Apology accepted and appreciated, and I'm sorry just  the same because I obviously had to have some fault in the matter if that many people did misinterpet me. So I am really sorry for that. It's hard to keep up on an iPhone, so I'm glad I'm on an actual computer now to smooth things over a bit lol.

Again, didn't mean to offend at all, just wanted some good-natured fun and a chance to show off some of the crappy characters not sucking too hard with some of the best. Sorry I got so defensive when it seemed like everyone was turning it into me ragequitting before the fatality, so to speak, and that really wasn't it at all.

Modifié par No Snakes Alive, 17 mai 2012 - 11:24 .

[GodlessPaladin]

No Snakes Alive wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

If you still want to play send me an invite and I'll play. *Shrug*

If you mean play WITH me, sure, dude. It's still co-op in the end, whether I do end up detonating enough explosions and pummeling enough reapers' faces to prove that bold claim I made true or you invisi-melee every single enemy to death youself and leave me twiddling my thumbs with a score of 10k, or anywhere in between the two extremes.

And like I said earlier, I'd love to pair up some other underutilized and overpowered class combos to see both how I fair in comparison and how we fair as a whole. Krogan Sentinel with Salarian Infiltrator, Human Soldier against Asari Adept, you name it. All in good fun, just to really test out the balance discrepencies between the bottom of the pack and the top, to see if the classes really DO need better balance or not. I thought it'd be a cool idea, but somehow it spiraled into me being a **** and ducking some challenge (not saying those were your own accusations).

But in all fairness, if you're one of the best players around which is the impression I'm getting, and I'm not at your skill level (which could very well be the case and I'm more than happy to try and find out later), that wouldn't really prove much.

Either way, down for all of the above if you are!

Sure.  I enjoy trying out esoteric new strategies.   Human Soldier is awesome though.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 11:26 .

[Broganisity]

Infiltrators are the deadliest? Single Targets maybe, but no one mops up the crowds like Soldiers and Vanguards do.

[No Snakes Alive]

Broganisity wrote...

Infiltrators are the deadliest? Single Targets maybe, but no one mops up the crowds like Soldiers and Vanguards do.

Speaking of, I REALLY think a Batarian Soldier can outscore an Infiltrator. =X

[GodlessPaladin]

No Snakes Alive wrote...

Broganisity wrote...

Infiltrators are the deadliest? Single Targets maybe, but no one mops up the crowds like Soldiers and Vanguards do.

Speaking of, I REALLY think a Batarian Soldier can outscore an Infiltrator. =X

Batarian Soldier is a whole different beast from the Batarian Sentinel.  Those inferno grenades!

[Stardusk]

It really depends on the player. I just had 3 public games. 2 I played Justicar Bulwark Build, outscored everyone, including the GI with his GPS, then I played GE and outscored 2 GIs, one with GPS and Claymore. If I had been playing with some people I know using those builds though, no way I would have outscored them.

[Creighton72]

Just figure out what class you are or classes you like using best, then figure out which Weapons you use the best and combine the two.

Any class with Overload or Energy drain is going to have the ability to set up headshots, quick kills and tech bursts. The Geth melee attack is outstanding against cerberus. Turian Sentinal can take a beating, spec it for overload and defense, and give him a hard hitting weapon and can destroy on any level against any opponent. Eng are great for lots of things, slap a carni on them use and them for tech bursting, stunning, decoys, healing, flamethrower turrets.

Keep your weapon loadout light but hard hitting and maximize your powers. Don't be affraid to use a Mantis over a Widow, the weapons you are good with are the weapons you will score with. I like the mantis scope better than the widows myself.

But above all getting good at the game is not about class, it's about practice. You learn what works for you and what works in the game. One of the biggest keys to being good at this game is just keeping your head and observing your surroundings, don't get flanked.

[No Snakes Alive]

Stardusk wrote...

It really depends on the player. I just had 3 public games. 2 I played Justicar Bulwark Build, outscored everyone, including the GI with his GPS, then I played GE and outscored 2 GIs, one with GPS and Claymore. If I had been playing with some people I know using those builds though, no way I would have outscored them.

Such truth.

[Skorpijon]

I just find it funny that every day there is a topic where players can argue about the infiltrator class.
Original poster, where were you in last 2-3 topics about infiltrators calling for nerfs or balancing or whatnot.

Give it a rest will you, no one here is a developer and your opinions, achievements or any other accomplishment means jack ****. class is the way it is, and if BW is going to buff it or nerf it its their call. But thing is they see how many players play which class, they can follow up the success rate of the game depending the composition of the team. You on the other hand only see your games. And since you are god incarnate with infiltrator, ofc, it needs to be nerfed or others buffed up.

How about you pick a class and you play it for 1-2 months straight, read everything about the class and then come and brag how you do over 150k . Cause that works. Only thing that infiltrators are good at is that they are easy to play once you know how to play them. Oh wait its the same for all classes .

Anyway lol at these topics popping up like daisies.

[GodlessPaladin]

No Snakes Alive wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

It really depends on the player. I just had 3 public games. 2 I played Justicar Bulwark Build, outscored everyone, including the GI with his GPS, then I played GE and outscored 2 GIs, one with GPS and Claymore. If I had been playing with some people I know using those builds though, no way I would have outscored them.

Such truth.

But this is exactly what I was saying before.  Saying that a good player can outperform a bad player does not mean that things are balanced or not.  Some characters have a higher upper potential than others and/or do better in various matchups than others.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 11:48 .

[landylan]

Skorpijon wrote...

I just find it funny that every day there is a topic where players can argue about the infiltrator class.
Original poster, where were you in last 2-3 topics about infiltrators calling for nerfs or balancing or whatnot.

Give it a rest will you, no one here is a developer and your opinions, achievements or any other accomplishment means jack ****. class is the way it is, and if BW is going to buff it or nerf it its their call. But thing is they see how many players play which class, they can follow up the success rate of the game depending the composition of the team. You on the other hand only see your games. And since you are god incarnate with infiltrator, ofc, it needs to be nerfed or others buffed up.

How about you pick a class and you play it for 1-2 months straight, read everything about the class and then come and brag how you do over 150k . Cause that works. Only thing that infiltrators are good at is that they are easy to play once you know how to play them. Oh wait its the same for all classes .

Anyway lol at these topics popping up like daisies.

your kind of offensive. the title is how we can balance classes. its less about nerfing the class

[Kel Riever]

Everybody can play anything. Therefore, it is balanced.

Now balance between the classes? You can try, but it will never be perfect. As long as one class has tactical cloak, that class is going to have an advantage, based on the kind of game this is. You could double the health and shields of a Krogan (which won't happen, because it would screw a whole ton of other stuff up) and STILL Tactical Cloak will be better.

Suggestions are the best way to go. But I think people's expectations should be realistic.

[GodlessPaladin]

Kel Riever wrote...
Now balance between the classes? You can try, but it will never be perfect.

So what?  The point isn't perfection, it's to always make it BETTER.

Kel Riever wrote...

Everybody can play anything. Therefore, it is balanced.

  Insane troll logic.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 18 mai 2012 - 12:06 .

[Kel Riever]

I don't understand your point, GP, but I think you are only emphasizing this:

"Suggestions are the best way to go."

Which I mentioned for a reason. Because complaining with suggestions is just b*tching.