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[nos_astra]

MrStoob wrote...
So the question is equally, why does Kaidan 'swing' all of a sudden but Ash doesn't?

Why not? They are supposed to be different characters even if they follow a very similar character arc.

Cutlass Jack wrote...
Plus it fits in very well with Kaidan's indecisiveness.

I don't recall Kaidan being exceptionally indecisive.

MrStoob wrote...
Don't recall that line, but TBH he only lived once.  I was femShep, does that make any diff to the dialogue?

The line is from the Horizon dialogue in ME2. Unromanced FemShep gets the same line, romanced FemShep is different.

Modifié par klarabella, 19 juin 2012 - 06:55 .

[Cutlass Jack]

MrStoob wrote...

Don't recall that line, but TBH he only lived once.  I was femShep, does that make any diff to the dialogue?

I couldn't find the clip with the line I remember, but you can feel the romance smouldering in this clip.

[MrStoob]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Don't recall that line, but TBH he only lived once.  I was femShep, does that make any diff to the dialogue?

I couldn't find the clip with the line I remember, but you can feel the romance smouldering in this clip.

lol "Ash died, because of 'us' "

[Siansonea]

Is this the boilerplate "o noes kaidin is ghey" thread du jour? If so, consider yourself thwapped. If it's the obligatory "o noes ashly is ghey" thread, consider yourself laughed at and pointed at. In any case, I'm sure this thread is a complete waste of time, so I'm outta here. :: vanishes in a blaze of blue energy ::

[Demonique]

jeweledleah wrote...

neither of them were supposed to be bi in ME1. both Shepards recorded all of Shepard dialogue, because in time of ME1, they didn't have computer prompts, they still worked with printed text. even with computer prompts, sometimes extraneous dialogue gets recorded (like romances specific good byes for Steve, by Hale)
they didn't need to make Ashley available because there were already plenty of f/f romances in ME3. they needed a second m/m romance. Kaidan was the only freshly romancable male in ME3. judging by the fact that he's not listed in Prima guide, it was a decision made close to release, which is why his dialogue is almost 100% copy pasted and a whole chunk of romance scene is missing (since they would have to make new animations for that)

Yeah, it's definately true that both Meer and Hale recorded all of both Shepards' dialogue, there's a YT video with MShep asking Liara "you want a relationship with me even though we're both women?" and this gem




Hmmmm, Kaidan m/m romance was a decision made close to release?
Yeah, I had heard that another character was going to be the bi-option but EA put their foot down due to him being too popular to risk on a s/s romance. Thanks for pandering to the homophobes EA!

[Ryzaki]

The Prima guide proves nothing otherwise one could say Anders siding with the Templars and Fenris siding with the mages outside of romances were made close to release.

Guides get things wrong. That doesn't mean much. Especially since there's a good chance whoever wrote the guide did only one run of the game and then gender swapped Ashley's section for Kaidan.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juin 2012 - 10:50 .

[Demonique]

FFmasterIsmael wrote...

if you want to talk about canon. Canon shepard is male. Being female is an extra option they added they said that themselves. Thats why they don't get as much attention. It's not falsefied just not fully fleshed out because it's not canon and not the biggest percentage of buyers that play female.

FemShep IS canon. Jesus frakking Christ, Casey Hudson even said both Shepards are canon, just because YOU don't think she's canon doesn't mean she's not

[Abraham_uk]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Was it absolutely necessary to bump this?

You bumped this thread too.


I didn't know they were bi-sexual.
Well that's news to me.

[xOnYourRadar]

Demonique wrote...

Hmmmm, Kaidan m/m romance was a decision made close to release?
Yeah, I had heard that another character was going to be the bi-option but EA put their foot down due to him being too popular to risk on a s/s romance. Thanks for pandering to the homophobes EA!

Ugh! I bet u the other one would have been Garrus!!

[xOnYourRadar]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Was it absolutely necessary to bump this?

You bumped this thread too.


I didn't know they were bi-sexual.
Well that's news to me.

Ashley isn't. Kaidan is.

[FFmasterIsmael]

Demonique wrote...

FFmasterIsmael wrote...

if you want to talk about canon. Canon shepard is male. Being female is an extra option they added they said that themselves. Thats why they don't get as much attention. It's not falsefied just not fully fleshed out because it's not canon and not the biggest percentage of buyers that play female.

FemShep IS canon. Jesus frakking Christ, Casey Hudson even said both Shepards are canon, just because YOU don't think she's canon doesn't mean she's not

Where do you see me stating my personal opinion. I clearly said that is something Bioware said. If you had read my text properly you would have seen that. Just because they are saying the female Shepard is canon now, doesn't mean that she is. That's just catering to every audience. They even said they didn't anticipate such a big female audience for this game. Just look at the box art for the first game it's not even mentioned that you can even choose to be a woman. The character on the front is a man. Even all the trailers of the first and second game are of a male shepard. It's not untill the third game they made a female trailer as well. Either way I personally don't care if people play female or male it's up to you. But that doesn't mean that it's canon. Besides why are you acting like i'm saying playing as a female Shepard is meaningless. Canon doesn't mean that there are no other option, no other way to play or finish the game. It's just the official way the story goes. Doesn't mean any other way is wrong or obselete. The way you want to do it is the way you want to do it. Also when did he say that after the second or third game? After the first game he didn't say that. 

[Demonique]

FFmasterIsmael wrote...

Demonique wrote...
FemShep IS canon. Jesus frakking Christ, Casey Hudson even said both Shepards are canon, just because YOU don't think she's canon doesn't mean she's not

Where do you see me stating my personal opinion. I clearly said that is something Bioware said. If you had read my text properly you would have seen that. Just because they are saying the female Shepard is canon now, doesn't mean that she is. That's just catering to every audience. They even said they didn't anticipate such a big female audience for this game. Just look at the box art for the first game it's not even mentioned that you can even choose to be a woman. The character on the front is a man. Even all the trailers of the first and second game are of a male shepard. It's not untill the third game they made a female trailer as well. Either way I personally don't care if people play female or male it's up to you. But that doesn't mean that it's canon. Besides why are you acting like i'm saying playing as a female Shepard is meaningless. Canon doesn't mean that there are no other option, no other way to play or finish the game. It's just the official way the story goes. Doesn't mean any other way is wrong or obselete. The way you want to do it is the way you want to do it. Also when did he say that after the second or third game? After the first game he didn't say that. 

He said it last year.

As to the rest of your ramble all I got was "WAAAHHHHHH, Bioware is wrong and I'm right!"

[Aurora313]

To clarify. Ash isn't bi. Kaidan is.

I'd like to think that in verse that he's always found Shepard attractive, (hence all the left over flirting dialogue in one) but was too afraid to act on it until 3.

Modifié par Aurora313, 20 juin 2012 - 10:33 .

[ElitePinecone]

"We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon."

[BatmanPWNS]

ElitePinecone wrote...

"We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon."

They also said that your choices would matter and you would have closure in the end. So anything Bioware says shouldn't be taken seriously anymore. Also the title of that page is "Casey Hudson offers you a choice". What choice?

[spirosz]

Anything with Liara is canon, or pyjacks.

[ElitePinecone]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

"We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon."

They also said that your choices would matter and you would have closure in the end. So anything Bioware says shouldn't be taken seriously anymore. Also the title of that page is "Casey Hudson offers you a choice". What choice?

How delightfully paranoid. 

But for game purposes, a particular version of Shepard isn't (and has never been, and will never be) canon until someone says otherwise. 

To answer the original point, the fact that Kaidan and/or maleShep never had the possibility to discuss things before ME3 doesn't make Kaidan 'straight', 'gay' or 'bisexual' in ME3. We don't know what he is (if anything) until he says it himself, or a writer does. Assuming someone is straight until proven otherwise is misguided.  

Regardless, Kaidan *is* an m/m option for maleShep in ME3. I don't see the point in obsessing over categorisation? It's in the game and complaining about it on a forum won't change that. 

[xOnYourRadar]

ElitePinecone wrote...

To answer the original point, the fact that Kaidan and/or maleShep never had the possibility to discuss things before ME3 doesn't make Kaidan 'straight', 'gay' or 'bisexual' in ME3. We don't know what he is (if anything) until he says it himself, or a writer does. Assuming someone is straight until proven otherwise is misguided.  

Regardless, Kaidan *is* an m/m option for maleShep in ME3. I don't see the point in obsessing over categorisation? It's in the game and complaining about it on a forum won't change that. 

I couldn't have explained it any better myself.

[Hvlukas]

Ashley isn't bi. And to the question about why Kaidan is bi, well: Why is anybody bi?

Besides, Kaidan is only bi if you romance him twice, one for each gender option. Otherwise he's just gay or straight. That's it. The rest is nothing but meta knowledge and not exactly ever addressed in the game.

[EricHVela]

Kaidan does not acknowledge male Shepard's gender. All of his romance dialog carefully excludes that because all of that dialog is used again during female Shepard's romance with Kaidan. (Someone said Kaidan mentions how handsome broShep is. I haven't seen it. I really doubt its existence. Vega, however, says that Shepard is better looking -- than Wrex or Grunt I think?)

femShep gets extra lines from Kaidan that specifies her gender.

Still, it seemed obvious to me that Kaidan's romance with broShep sounds like he's talking to femShep instead.

[Beep Il]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Kaidan does not acknowledge male Shepard's gender. All of his romance dialog carefully excludes that because all of that dialog is used again during female Shepard's romance with Kaidan. (Someone said Kaidan mentions how handsome broShep is. I haven't seen it. I really doubt its existence. Vega, however, says that Shepard is better looking -- than Wrex or Grunt I think?)

femShep gets extra lines from Kaidan that specifies her gender.

Still, it seemed obvious to me that Kaidan's romance with broShep sounds like he's talking to femShep instead.

He says it only if one doesn't use imported Shepard.

[FFmasterIsmael]

Demonique wrote...

FFmasterIsmael wrote...

Demonique wrote...
FemShep IS canon. Jesus frakking Christ, Casey Hudson even said both Shepards are canon, just because YOU don't think she's canon doesn't mean she's not

Where do you see me stating my personal opinion. I clearly said that is something Bioware said. If you had read my text properly you would have seen that. Just because they are saying the female Shepard is canon now, doesn't mean that she is. That's just catering to every audience. They even said they didn't anticipate such a big female audience for this game. Just look at the box art for the first game it's not even mentioned that you can even choose to be a woman. The character on the front is a man. Even all the trailers of the first and second game are of a male shepard. It's not untill the third game they made a female trailer as well. Either way I personally don't care if people play female or male it's up to you. But that doesn't mean that it's canon. Besides why are you acting like i'm saying playing as a female Shepard is meaningless. Canon doesn't mean that there are no other option, no other way to play or finish the game. It's just the official way the story goes. Doesn't mean any other way is wrong or obselete. The way you want to do it is the way you want to do it. Also when did he say that after the second or third game? After the first game he didn't say that. 

He said it last year.

As to the rest of your ramble all I got was "WAAAHHHHHH, Bioware is wrong and I'm right!"

Are we resorting to childishness now? Where am i stating Bioware is wrong? I am stating points THEY made and things THEY did. This is not MY opinion it's just what they did. You just proved my point he didn't say that till after the second game, I said first game. And that's what started the series and they started it as a trilogy so alot of canon they had the decided back then. Just because they are giving extra option to suit the bigger fanbase doesn't mean it was originally intended that way. As for rambling it's called a having a discussion. This is a discussion board after all. 

ReggarBlane wrote...

Kaidan does not acknowledge male Shepard's gender. All of his romance dialog carefully excludes that because all of that dialog is used again during female Shepard's romance with Kaidan. (Someone said Kaidan mentions how handsome broShep is. I haven't seen it. I really doubt its existence. Vega, however, says that Shepard is better looking -- than Wrex or Grunt I think?)

femShep gets extra lines from Kaidan that specifies her gender.

Still, it seemed obvious to me that Kaidan's romance with broShep sounds like he's talking to femShep instead.

That's exactly what i meant. And i think everyone should have an imported Shepard otherwise you miss way to much story. It's meant to be played as a trilogy. They just don't exclude people from starting with the second or third game for bigger sales.

[xOnYourRadar]

Beep Il wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Kaidan does not acknowledge male Shepard's gender. All of his romance dialog carefully excludes that because all of that dialog is used again during female Shepard's romance with Kaidan. (Someone said Kaidan mentions how handsome broShep is. I haven't seen it. I really doubt its existence. Vega, however, says that Shepard is better looking -- than Wrex or Grunt I think?)

femShep gets extra lines from Kaidan that specifies her gender.

Still, it seemed obvious to me that Kaidan's romance with broShep sounds like he's talking to femShep instead.

He says it only if one doesn't use imported Shepard.

Not true.  I imported my Shepard and during the lunch scene I do believe he mentioned that he wanted "someone handsome".

I can recheck because I still have that save right before the romance scene.

Modifié par xOnYourRadar, 21 juin 2012 - 02:29 .

[AndreasShepard]

xOnYourRadar wrote...

Beep Il wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Kaidan does not acknowledge male Shepard's gender. All of his romance dialog carefully excludes that because all of that dialog is used again during female Shepard's romance with Kaidan. (Someone said Kaidan mentions how handsome broShep is. I haven't seen it. I really doubt its existence. Vega, however, says that Shepard is better looking -- than Wrex or Grunt I think?)

femShep gets extra lines from Kaidan that specifies her gender.

Still, it seemed obvious to me that Kaidan's romance with broShep sounds like he's talking to femShep instead.

He says it only if one doesn't use imported Shepard.

Not true.  I imported my Shepard and during the lunch scene I do believe he mentioned that he wanted "someone handsome".

I can recheck because I still have that save right before the romance scene.

Actually it is true, he only says he wants someone handsome if you don't import I'm pretty sure. But I don't think this is a big issue, there's nothing to me that suggests an imported MShep comes off as girly or that Kaidan is talking to him as though he were femshep. 
There's no need for them to shout "Hey we are both dudes in this playthrough!" 

[xOnYourRadar]

AndreasShepard wrote...

xOnYourRadar wrote...

Beep Il wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Kaidan does not acknowledge male Shepard's gender. All of his romance dialog carefully excludes that because all of that dialog is used again during female Shepard's romance with Kaidan. (Someone said Kaidan mentions how handsome broShep is. I haven't seen it. I really doubt its existence. Vega, however, says that Shepard is better looking -- than Wrex or Grunt I think?)

femShep gets extra lines from Kaidan that specifies her gender.

Still, it seemed obvious to me that Kaidan's romance with broShep sounds like he's talking to femShep instead.

He says it only if one doesn't use imported Shepard.

Not true.  I imported my Shepard and during the lunch scene I do believe he mentioned that he wanted "someone handsome".

I can recheck because I still have that save right before the romance scene.

Actually it is true, he only says he wants someone handsome if you don't import I'm pretty sure. But I don't think this is a big issue, there's nothing to me that suggests an imported MShep comes off as girly or that Kaidan is talking to him as though he were femshep. 
There's no need for them to shout "Hey we are both dudes in this playthrough!" 

I just checked and he DOES say he wants someone handsome.  

As a PS3 player, my import data only goes as far back as ME2 and the Genesis Comic, so maybe it's different for those that have import data from actually playing ME1, but I don't see how that would be the case.

I agree though.  It doesn't really matter if he doesn't address MShep as handsome.  As long as he doesn't address him as a female, then all should be fine in the universe.

Modifié par xOnYourRadar, 21 juin 2012 - 03:34 .