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[MrStoob]

 I think it would have been more interesting if Dr Eva was the 'evil assassin' rather than 'generic manga ninja dude' and a 'fembot' body for EDI/Joker.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

That's, like, your opinion, man.

[DWH1982]

I hadn't considered it until now... but, actually. Yeah. That would have been better.

I don't mind EDI's new body, but EVA, I think, would have made a better adversary.

[Generic Screen Name]

What makes you think EVA would be any better than Leng?

[MrStoob]

Generic Screen Name wrote...

What makes you think EVA would be any better than Leng?

Just from the brief encounter we had with her, her kung fu moves on Ash/Kaiden, her speed and agility, her cold query to TIM before mashing Ash/Kaiden's face into the shuttle, seemed interesting.  I didn't personally find Leng that interesting myself.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I like the idea of EVA replacing him. She does seem a lot more cold and menacing for that short period of time we see her. Leng is just a 12-year-old boy that needs to get off Xbox live and go to bed. He hardly feels like a threat. He's just an annoyance.

EVA would have at least presented a reason to dislike synthetics and to validate why synthetics will always be dangerous and rise up against their creators. Our examples of synthetics are EDI and the Geth and they come out innocent victims of their creators. Not rebellious threats that think they are superior to their creators.

[Shajar]

Yep

[Elanor]

Everything would be better than EDI with body. Eva would be interesting enemy if they kept her longer in game.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Arcian wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I like the idea of EVA replacing him. She does seem a lot more cold and menacing for that short period of time we see her. Leng is just a 12-year-old boy that needs to get off Xbox live and go to bed. He hardly feels like a threat. He's just an annoyance.

Indeed. There were a couple of things they could have done to make him a genuinely threatening villain:

1) No. Goddamn. Backup. Dude's supposed to be a one-man-army assassin in the likes of Altaïr and Ezio. Show it, BioWare.
2) Fewer lines, and if he's saying something, he needs to sound like a professional and not a butthurt douchebag crying over getting his kills stolen in MW3.
3) He needs to respect Shepard and Shepard's abilities - after all, this is f***ing Shepard we're talking about. Even TIM respects Shepard.

I am not sure if the last one would be necessary. Having him be cocky and overconfident in his skills and mocking of Shepard could work as long as he was presented as being highly competent and skilled.

I agree with the two former.

[Beerfish]

What exactly was the purpose of chasing Dr Eva all over the place on Mars? Can she be caught? What happens if you just sit on your ass and let her run away? That seemed like a very bizarre part of the game.

[Elanor]

I believe if she run away the game will be over.

[coldwetn0se]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I like the idea of EVA replacing him. She does seem a lot more cold and menacing for that short period of time we see her. Leng is just a 12-year-old boy that needs to get off Xbox live and go to bed. He hardly feels like a threat. He's just an annoyance.

EVA would have at least presented a reason to dislike synthetics and to validate why synthetics will always be dangerous and rise up against their creators. Our examples of synthetics are EDI and the Geth and they come out innocent victims of their creators. Not rebellious threats that think they are superior to their creators.

I really like this idea....admittedly I fell into the 'wanting EDI to stay just the ship' camp.  But, she could have been a nice representation, like you stated.

[His Name was HYR!!]

I could see how it would be interesting. Knowing what I know, though, I would really miss EDI.

I loved her part in ME3.

[DWH1982]

There could have been another way to give EDI a body without losing EVA as a villian. Honestly, I did like the Joker/EDI romance, even if I was mixed on bringing EDI along on missions. (I rarely do, based on the logic I think my Shepard would use: given she needs to stay within a certain range of the ship she seems vulnerable, and I worry about what losing her body would do to her functions on the ship).

Even with EVA as a villian, the problem with using her as an example of synthetics rising up against their creators would be that, if she still worked for Cerberus, she wouldn't exactly be rising up agianst her creators. She'd be doing their bidding.

Unless she turned on Cerberus, stayed hostile to Shepard, and just decided to get into the game herself.

[Reikilea]

Oh, I so wish they did. So that robot abormination would be off my ship. Or be just The ship.
Eva was OK. And it could be nice if we could make her to be on our side.
For me Edi stopped existing after that donwload.

Modifié par Reikilea, 17 mai 2012 - 11:30 .

[garrusfan1]

MrStoob wrote...

Generic Screen Name wrote...

What makes you think EVA would be any better than Leng?

Just from the brief encounter we had with her, her kung fu moves on Ash/Kaiden, her speed and agility, her cold query to TIM before mashing Ash/Kaiden's face into the shuttle, seemed interesting.  I didn't personally find Leng that interesting myself.

yeah I really expected someone like her to be in kai lengs spot and yeah he just sucked I like edi but I would much rather have brought someone from me2 squad back

[DWH1982]

garrusfan1 wrote...

yeah I really expected someone like her to be in kai lengs spot and yeah he just sucked I like edi but I would much rather have brought someone from me2 squad back

Well... actually...

Could have really used Miranda more than EDI. My canon Shepard is a soldier who saved Ash. He suffered from a severe lack of squadmates with a biotic/tech combo.

Would have been nice if folks who didn't have Kaidan around at least had the opportunity to bring Miranda on board. Maybe the opportunity to convince her when you first meet, so you get her as a squad mate instead of a war asset. Her arguments for not coming are less than convincing. She'd have been safer on the Normandy than anywhere else in the galaxy, probably, and she could continue working to help her sister from the ship. Hell, between having easy access to EDI, Traynor, and the Shadow Broker, it might have even been easier for her.

[shepskisaac]

I loved EDI so I can't agree.

[iSpaz]

What? Psh I would've rather had her as a squad mate over EDI. ;p

But yeah I think she would've made a much better enemy but i'm kinda bias cuz i'm a fan of her voice actor heh,

[Lucky Thirteen]

DWH1982 wrote...
Even with EVA as a villian, the problem with using her as an example of synthetics rising up against their creators would be that, if she still worked for Cerberus, she wouldn't exactly be rising up agianst her creators. She'd be doing their bidding.

Unless she turned on Cerberus, stayed hostile to Shepard, and just decided to get into the game herself.

I was thinking that but only much later in the game she would turn on Cerberus. She'd be the reason TIM would have to abandon ship before Shepard shows up. Then when TIM catch's Shepard in his chair, he can be like, lol have fun with EVA, I've lost control of it like I do with everything. Then epic boss fight against EVA and a bunch of synthetics.

[Porenferser]

Dito.
EDI with body was one of the worst ideas ever and Kai Leng is the most bland enemy in the whole ME franchise.

[MrStoob]

I did enjoy EDI as fembot for comic relief, but all the questions on life we went through with her SURELY should have been with Legion? He was our connection to the AI universe, and it appeared from ME2 that we would go down that route. On which point, I don't see why it was necessary to have no option to save Legion?