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[FKA_Servo]

DA2 is a fun game with an interesting story and terrific writing and characters. It's not perfect, but neither was DAO. Artwise, it's less cohesive than DAO (which was uniformly bland and serviceable), but an overall improvement. And I think with the friendship/rivalry system, it had the best implementation of character relationships of ANY Bioware game.

The reused environments are awful, but beyond that, as many people have said, a ton of the response is knee jerk opinion. With regards to world building and writing, Bioware has never been better than they are these days.

[wsandista]

TommyServo wrote...

With regards to world building and writing, Bioware has never been better than they are these days.

Have you ever played Baldur's Gate(2), Neverwinter Nights, or KOTOR? Have you looked at the ME3 backlash lately?

Modifié par wsandista, 18 mai 2012 - 03:20 .

[KDD-0063]

Tirigon wrote...

- Bad graphics (worse than DAO in every aspect, and DAO is not a game whose strength is graphics, nyways)

- Bad, boring combat with ridiculous animations

- too much combat

- Hawke is a sh!tty player character

- bad, boring, unimaginative story

DAO's graphics are actually really beautiful if you max out your settings, but yeah, DA2's graphics are as basic as it gets.

[FKA_Servo]

wsandista wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

With regards to world building and writing, Bioware has never been better than they are these days.

Have you ever played Baldur's Gate(2), Neverwinter Nights, or KOTOR? Have you looked at the ME3 backlash lately?

Yes, no, and yes.

They screwed the ending of Mass Effect 3 harder than I would ever have thought possible, but until that point, the writing and characterization was brilliant. It had some of the most affecting sequences I've ever seen in any game, period. Beyond that, the setting of Mass Effect might be my favorite overall science fiction setting across all media. Ditto for Thedas - it's the most compelling fantasy setting I've encountered in the past ten years.

That's also one way in which Gaider & Co. have not disappointed me - I think these things are consistently excellent throughout both DAO and DA2. The end of DA2 could have been better, but I blame EA for kicking it out the door before it was finished. The buildup and eventual clash between the mages and templars certainly wasn't disappointing in the way that the end of ME3 was.

Modifié par TommyServo, 18 mai 2012 - 04:03 .

[Rxdiaz]

TommyServo wrote...

DA2 is a fun game with an interesting story and terrific writing and characters. It's not perfect, but neither was DAO. Artwise, it's less cohesive than DAO (which was uniformly bland and serviceable), but an overall improvement. And I think with the friendship/rivalry system, it had the best implementation of character relationships of ANY Bioware game.

The reused environments are awful, but beyond that, as many people have said, a ton of the response is knee jerk opinion. With regards to world building and writing, Bioware has never been better than they are these days.

Where did you buy your copy of DA2?

Because you obviously got a different game than me...

[FKA_Servo]

Rxdiaz wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

DA2 is a fun game with an interesting story and terrific writing and characters. It's not perfect, but neither was DAO. Artwise, it's less cohesive than DAO (which was uniformly bland and serviceable), but an overall improvement. And I think with the friendship/rivalry system, it had the best implementation of character relationships of ANY Bioware game.

The reused environments are awful, but beyond that, as many people have said, a ton of the response is knee jerk opinion. With regards to world building and writing, Bioware has never been better than they are these days.

Where did you buy your copy of DA2?

Because you obviously got a different game than me...

Hurdurhur.

Different people have different priorities. For many well-documented reasons, you (and many others) did not like DA2. For many well-documented reasons, I (and many others) did like it very much. Regardless of whether we liked DA2, we'd all like the next DA game to be even better. Around we go.

[Sejborg]

Short answer: Everything.

[Realmzmaster]

Rxdiaz wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

DA2 is a fun game with an interesting story and terrific writing and characters. It's not perfect, but neither was DAO. Artwise, it's less cohesive than DAO (which was uniformly bland and serviceable), but an overall improvement. And I think with the friendship/rivalry system, it had the best implementation of character relationships of ANY Bioware game.

The reused environments are awful, but beyond that, as many people have said, a ton of the response is knee jerk opinion. With regards to world building and writing, Bioware has never been better than they are these days.

Where did you buy your copy of DA2?

Because you obviously got a different game than me...

Yes, I did get a different game. I got one I enjoyed! I bought the Signature edition. 

[Realmzmaster]

wsandista wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

With regards to world building and writing, Bioware has never been better than they are these days.

Have you ever played Baldur's Gate(2), Neverwinter Nights, or KOTOR? Have you looked at the ME3 backlash lately?

I have played them all and more than that. I like DA2. YMMV. The only thing wrong with ME3 is the ending for some gamers. Therest of the game in most opinions even the naysayers is that the writing was brillant and sound until the end.

[Joy Divison]

TommyServo wrote...

For many well-documented reasons, I (and many others) did like [DA2] very much.

I must have missed that thread.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 18 mai 2012 - 05:15 .

[FKA_Servo]

Joy Divison wrote...

I must have missed that thread.

You weren't looking very hard.

[Realmzmaster]

Joy Divison wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

For many well-documented reasons, I (and many others) did like [DA2] very much.

I must have missed that thread.

I could have sworn I say you posting yor dislike of DA2 in them. 

[Joy Divison]

I'm not sure your definition of the phrase "many well-documented" means the same thing as mine.  I've seen numerous opinions and personal preferences expressed on these forums for people liking DA2...not quite the same thing.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 18 mai 2012 - 06:11 .

[FKA_Servo]

Joy Divison wrote...

I'm not sure your definition of the phrase "many well-documented" means the same thing as mine.

I maintain you're not looking very hard (or just largely ignoring whatever doesn't agree with you). I see lots of people who enjoy the story, characters, and romances. Lots of people who like the writing. Many of these folks (including me) think the gameplay is perfectly adequate - they could make it more "tactical" and ditch the iconic companions in favor of fully equippable ones (I don't care, since I'm less interested in that gameplay style than I was when I was younger), but I won't be mad if they keep it the way it was in DA2...which, apart from the inventory (largely subjective), aesthetics of the animations (subjective) and the paratrooper thugs (more of a problem, for sure, but still not a gamebreaker), isn't much different from DAO. Are you saying that this is an invalid position?

Joy Divison wrote...

I've seen numerous opinions and personal preferences expressed on these forums for people liking DA2...not quite the same thing.

How is that any different? Other than a few (admittedly serious) issues like asset re-use, most if the issues that people who hate the game have are also differences in opinion. Iconic companions, voiced protagonists, acrobatic mages - if you don't like it, you don't like it. The game isn't objectively worse because of it. This is one of those rare situations on the BSN where everyone's opinion is equally valid.

Besides, when I say "well-documented," that's exactly what I'm talking about. There is no shortage of people who like the game, and they offer reasoned justification for their opinions as to why. A lot of them just restrict their posting to character threads or groups. Probably because a lot of folks like you like to hang around the general forum and ****** in their cheerios.

Modifié par TommyServo, 18 mai 2012 - 06:44 .

[PinkShoes]

Is it truely that hard to look at the forums?

[wsandista]

TommyServo wrote...

wsandista wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

With regards to world building and writing, Bioware has never been better than they are these days.

Have you ever played Baldur's Gate(2), Neverwinter Nights, or KOTOR? Have you looked at the ME3 backlash lately?

Yes, no, and yes.

And you believe that DA2 is better written than those games?

[wsandista]

Realmzmaster wrote...

wsandista wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

With regards to world building and writing, Bioware has never been better than they are these days.

Have you ever played Baldur's Gate(2), Neverwinter Nights, or KOTOR? Have you looked at the ME3 backlash lately?

I have played them all and more than that. I like DA2. YMMV.

Do you think DA2 is better written than those games?

The only thing wrong with ME3 is the ending for some gamers. Therest of the game in most opinions even the naysayers is that the writing was brillant and sound until the end.

Many of the naysayers also are upset about the large amount of auto-dialogue and lack of attention given to LIs except Liara(this is especially true for those who romanced a ME2 character that wasn't available as a squadmate for ME3). The ending may be a very small part of the series as a whole, but it has created an enormous amount of backlash that has never been seen before.

[Realmzmaster]

Joy Divison wrote...

I'm not sure your definition of the phrase "many well-documented" means the same thing as mine.  I've seen numerous opinions and personal preferences expressed on these forums for people liking DA2...not quite the same thing.

Everything about DA2 whether you like it or not has been opinion. All of which is valid because it is opinion. Opinions on both sides have been well documented in the constructive criticism thread and other threads.

[eroeru]

TommyServo wrote...

Artwise, it's less cohesive than DAO (which was uniformly bland and serviceable), but an overall improvement.

We weren't playing the same game.

If the overall felt uninspired and bland (it wasn't!!) you have to remind yourself of the designs of Broodmother, the Ogres and demons/abominations.

The stylistics had character. And yes, it wasn't the over-top "distinctive" that was DA2, but that's for the better, surely. 

[Realmzmaster]

wsandista wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

wsandista wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

With regards to world building and writing, Bioware has never been better than they are these days.

Have you ever played Baldur's Gate(2), Neverwinter Nights, or KOTOR? Have you looked at the ME3 backlash lately?

I have played them all and more than that. I like DA2. YMMV.

Do you think DA2 is better written than those games?

The only thing wrong with ME3 is the ending for some gamers. Therest of the game in most opinions even the naysayers is that the writing was brillant and sound until the end.

Many of the naysayers also are upset about the large amount of auto-dialogue and lack of attention given to LIs except Liara(this is especially true for those who romanced a ME2 character that wasn't available as a squadmate for ME3). The ending may be a very small part of the series as a whole, but it has created an enormous amount of backlash that has never been seen before.

DA2 story is as good as BG2 and KOTOR and better than the story in Neverwinter Nights (IMHO). Yes the backlash against the ending of ME3 is strong but yet the game keeps selling. Maybe all the attention is helping sales because gamers want to see what the fuss is about. 

[Realmzmaster]

eroeru wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

Artwise, it's less cohesive than DAO (which was uniformly bland and serviceable), but an overall improvement.

We weren't playing the same game.

If the overall felt uninspired and bland (it wasn't!!) you have to remind yourself of the designs of Broodmother, the Ogres and demons/abominations.

The stylistics had character. And yes, it wasn't the over-top "distinctive" that was DA2, but that's for the better, surely. 

One again you are talking opinion. Tommyspa saw in the game something you did not. Everyone has their own preferences each which are vaild to that person.

[thats1evildude]

There was no three-hour solo mission in the Fade.

[Realmzmaster]

thats1evildude wrote...

There was no three-hour solo mission in the Fade.

Is that a plus or a minus? The first playthrough it is a plus in my book. After the first playthrough not as much of a plus.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 18 mai 2012 - 10:46 .

[thats1evildude]

Cool in principle, faulty in practice. Or at least that's how I felt after a dozen reloads spent trying to get through That One Door in The Mages Asunder.

Heh. "The Mages Asunder." How appropriate.

[wsandista]

Realmzmaster wrote...

DA2 story is as good as BG2 and KOTOR and better than the story in Neverwinter Nights. (IMHO)

Are you including expansions for NWN? I thought HoU was actually one of the best campaigns ever.

Yes the backlash against the ending of ME3 is strong but yet the game keeps selling. Maybe all the attention is helping sales because gamers want to see what the fuss is about. 

Maybe but prices for PC almost 50%(at least on good ol Amazon, I'm too lazy to check anywhere else). Prices on Skyrim have fallen 33% on all platforms, despite having been out for longer, the PC price has not degraded as much. True prices on console for ME3 have only fallen by 25%, less than Skyrim prices have, but Skyrim has also been out for 4 months longer.