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Hi people, just wanted to share my opinion on Synthesis (which seems really unpopular, but what else is new). 
Now, I hate all three endings. The mere thought of them makes me wanna rage all day, wrecking furniture and shouting at people in the street (I don't do that, in case anyone wonders). The first time I finished the game, I was stupefied and just kind of walked into the beam.
However, now that I have had some time to consider the ending, I came to the following conclusion: if EC just cements existing endings the way Catalyst presented them, I will Alt+F... sorry, I will choose Synthesis on my canon Shepard.
Because it's the least awful option for her, and that's why: 
Why I can't choose Destroy.
 My Shep is renegade (Me1 and Me2 renegade, not the crazy jerk of ME3), so she knows that sometimes you have to sacrifice 10 people for the good of 100. Or sacrifice a race to save all others. However, all her lifetime she believed that synthetics and organics can live peacefully, it was one of her main goals - to show that synthetics are people just like us and we can co-exist. To destroy them all just when they started to prove us right by helping the quarians would be destroying everything she fought her, nullify her biggest victory.
And it's not only personal matter. Peace between synthetics and organics is hard to achieve, not because "the created will always rebel against the creators" bull****, but because we are so different and so naturally suspicious of each other, especially given how fast synthetics can evolve. It took a lot of efforts from Shepard to establish peace, and it's fragile for now, but it can blossom. While if we destroy the geth now, we can only hope that in the future somebody else manages the same thing.... but it only took one question to start the Morning War, and who is to say another spark like that won't ignite another centuries-long conflict?
Of couse, if it was an only option - then yes. But we also have:
Control
Which I think is a real trap here. It looks better than all other options - you don't destroy your friends, Citadel seems fine and mass relays are merely damaged and you now have bigass army you can control. However, do I believe, that one person, no matter how awesome my or your Shepard is, can control thousands of sentiens ancient warships? No.
Which brings us to synthesis.
Synthesis is, without a doubt, the most retarded ending ever, with possible exception for the ending of the Limbo of the Lost (which was at least funny). It's explanation doesn't make sense, it's pure space magic at its best. We don't get to see the consequences of our choices so we can only speculate.
But I disagree with a few points which are over and over again brought up against the synthesis: 
You are a space Hitler! You cannot decide for all the galaxy!
Guess what, that happens in most of videogames where you are the saviour of the galaxy/earth/your country/whatever. Your choices affect the rest of your people's lives. You just choose what you think is best.
Yes, such a major change will be scary for some, but my Shepard (who went full retard at this point, but that has already been discussed) is not afraid of making a few people upset
Synthesis destroys diversity. 
No it doesn't. From what we have seen, all it does is give people green eyes. Which sucks if you liked your girlfriend's baby blues, but is preferable to extinction. 
There are still different races, its just they have been upgraded. It's like you and I went out and got a similar tattoo - would not change the fact we are both different. 
Synthesis doesn't solve anything! You can still create new synthetics and be killed by them!
To that I can only say - F*CK Catalyst and his "created will always rebel agains the creator". I have a car and it didn't kill me yet
You are doing what Saren wanted, as opposed to what Anderson wanted.
This makes me facepalm every single time. Saren wanted to live in submission. Shepard doesn't. 
And Anderson... Anderson is a simple man. A soldier. He just wants to blow all this ****ers up. But he isn't the hero of this story (neither, admittedly, are you, but you get to decide between Red, Blue or Green). 
You have been indoctrinated. 
Don't believe IT, don't care about IT, don't bring it into this discussion

If anyone had read it up to this point - thank you. Have a cookie

Modifié par Gexora, 06 juin 2012 - 07:55 .


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I can totally understand why people might choose Synthesis, but it's just not for me it goes against my Shepard ideals and beliefs. My Shepard as much as he liked the Geth had no problem with choosing Destroy. Not only does he believe the Geth and Edi are just machines and will never ever truly be alive, but he also feels that the Geth and Edi's sacrifice is well worth it for the destruction of the Reapers.

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 Watch this....


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You're just too stupid to be true.

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What ever floats your boat. I respectfully disagree though. Synthesis seems like what the Reapers wanted all along. To quote a great man: "it's a trap!".

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However, all her lifetime she believed that synthetics and organics can live peacefully, it was one of her main goals - to show that synthetics are people just like us and we can co-exist. To destroy them all just when they started to prove us right by helping the quarians would be destroying everything she fought her, nullify her biggest victory.

It's the only option that doesn't do that...
Even if the Geth and EDI die, which is bull****, Destroy defends the very right of synthetic life to exist...
Synthesis strips this fundamental right...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 17 mai 2012 - 07:02 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

However, all her lifetime she believed that synthetics and organics can live peacefully, it was one of her main goals - to show that synthetics are people just like us and we can co-exist. To destroy them all just when they started to prove us right by helping the quarians would be destroying everything she fought her, nullify her biggest victory.

It's the only option that doesn't do that...
Even if the Geth and EDI die, which is bull****, Destroy defends the very right of synthetic life to exist...
Synthesis strips this fundamental right...

Well, EDI sure died in my testing if EDI dies playthrough. 
Regarding the bolded part - I am just too practical to buy that. It took Shepard, a great man/woman the likes of whom the world has never seen etс etc a REAL LOT of efforts to make synthetics and organics cooperate because they were naturally suspicious of each other. It also took all the efforts (and life) of such a remarkable character as Legion.
We have built a good fundament for future synthetic and organic cooperation in good will. If we destroy them now, all we can do is hope that in the future when someone creates new synthetics nothing will go wrong, like some world leader being too suspicious or something
Remember, it only took one question to ignite the quarian-geth war

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Bill Casey wrote...

However, all her lifetime she believed that synthetics and organics can live peacefully, it was one of her main goals - to show that synthetics are people just like us and we can co-exist. To destroy them all just when they started to prove us right by helping the quarians would be destroying everything she fought her, nullify her biggest victory.

It's the only option that doesn't do that...
Even if the Geth and EDI die, which is bull****, Destroy defends the very right of synthetic life to exist...
Synthesis strips this fundamental right...


This. Synthesis at it's core is the idea that diversity is inherently dangerous and that peaceful coexistence is impossible between different racial groups.

It's abhorrent bigotry, and an appalling message to include in game, especially given that it's implied to be the 'ideal' ending from the leaked script, describing it as a reward for a 'perfect' playthrough.

Nevermind the fact that it's laughably impossible, and shows Walters and Hudson know literally nothing about how Evolution actually work. Plus it's still not going to prevent any future AIs being built, or war between anyone.

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Sovereign said the Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution...
I guess they are a form of synthesis though...

A billion organic minds uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies. A hybrid of organic and inorganic material. Genetically engineered sentient starships. Organic dreadnoughts...


Synthesis!

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Bill Casey wrote...

Sovereign said the Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution...
I guess they are a form of synthesis though...

A billion organic minds uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies. A hybrid of organic and inorganic material. Genetically engineered sentient starships. Organic dreadnoughts...

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This makes no sense at all. Because Husks are mindless... well, husks, and Reapers are one single mind created by setroying thousand of minds, while synthesis leaves every being intact , every mind still it's own (if we take the endings at face value, which is the premise behind my post)

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Shepard dies and organics are fused with Reaper technology. StarBrat says "Awwww hell ya. Two birds, one stone! WINNING!"

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Total Biscuit wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

However, all her lifetime she believed that synthetics and organics can live peacefully, it was one of her main goals - to show that synthetics are people just like us and we can co-exist. To destroy them all just when they started to prove us right by helping the quarians would be destroying everything she fought her, nullify her biggest victory.

It's the only option that doesn't do that...
Even if the Geth and EDI die, which is bull****, Destroy defends the very right of synthetic life to exist...
Synthesis strips this fundamental right...


This. Synthesis at it's core is the idea that diversity is inherently dangerous and that peaceful coexistence is impossible between different racial groups.

It's abhorrent bigotry, and an appalling message to include in game, especially given that it's implied to be the 'ideal' ending from the leaked script, describing it as a reward for a 'perfect' playthrough.

Nevermind the fact that it's laughably impossible, and shows Walters and Hudson know literally nothing about how Evolution actually work. Plus it's still not going to prevent any future AIs being built, or war between anyone.

Listen to yourselves...You want to coexsit with reapers...Beings that want to invade you, impose their will on you and turn you forcably into what you don't want to be.
You want to coexsist with that? Their are somethingsyou don't coexsist with.

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Total Biscuit wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

However, all her lifetime she believed that synthetics and organics can live peacefully, it was one of her main goals - to show that synthetics are people just like us and we can co-exist. To destroy them all just when they started to prove us right by helping the quarians would be destroying everything she fought her, nullify her biggest victory.

It's the only option that doesn't do that...
Even if the Geth and EDI die, which is bull****, Destroy defends the very right of synthetic life to exist...
Synthesis strips this fundamental right...


This. Synthesis at it's core is the idea that diversity is inherently dangerous and that peaceful coexistence is impossible between different racial groups.

It's abhorrent bigotry, and an appalling message to include in game, especially given that it's implied to be the 'ideal' ending from the leaked script, describing it as a reward for a 'perfect' playthrough.

Nevermind the fact that it's laughably impossible, and shows Walters and Hudson know literally nothing about how Evolution actually work. Plus it's still not going to prevent any future AIs being built, or war between anyone.

I believe I have addressed your points in my post and the comment above, so I am not going to copy paste all that
Synthesis is STUPID and appaling tat some level, but so is the whole ending

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Seems fair OP.

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I am not new to internet, but people posting in discussion without reading half of the op keep surprising me

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Gexora wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Sovereign said the Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution...
I guess they are a form of synthesis though...

A billion organic minds uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies. A hybrid of organic and inorganic material. Genetically engineered sentient starships. Organic dreadnoughts...

Image IPB

This makes no sense at all. Because Husks are mindless... well, husks, and Reapers are one single mind created by setroying thousand of minds, while synthesis leaves every being intact , every mind still it's own (if we take the endings at face value, which is the premise behind my post)

You missing the point was never to make reapers. Making reapers was what they though way to apply their salution. 
The reapers goal is to combince organics with synthetics, how they do it is not important, It just that they do it. And saying that synthesis is different becuae you still havefree will miss a very important fact...How does synthesis solves the reapers problem?I f you not how thay can control organics eith implants...Then you can understand why synthesis is not the right choice.

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Your Shepard is a real renegade maan because a paragon would neeeever ever choose this shiity
synthesis option

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john_sheparrd wrote...

Your Shepard is a real renegade maan because a paragon would neeeever ever choose this shiity
synthesis option


Pretty sure Control is intended as the Paragon option. Shepard willingly killing him/herself and join the Reaper hive mind to be the new master to command the Reapers to leave forever. Look how nothing in the ending gets destroyed. I'm pretty sure that how Bioware thought the good ending should be.

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The Invisible Commando wrote...

john_sheparrd wrote...

Your Shepard is a real renegade maan because a paragon would neeeever ever choose this shiity
synthesis option


Pretty sure Control is intended as the Paragon option. Shepard willingly killing him/herself and join the Reaper hive mind to be the new master to command the Reapers to leave forever. Look how nothing in the ending gets destroyed. I'm pretty sure that how Bioware thought the good ending should be.

What does"You will die. You can control use but you will lose everything you have", mean?

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dreman9999 wrote...

Gexora wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Sovereign said the Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution...
I guess they are a form of synthesis though...

A billion organic minds uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies. A hybrid of organic and inorganic material. Genetically engineered sentient starships. Organic dreadnoughts...

This makes no sense at all. Because Husks are mindless... well, husks, and Reapers are one single mind created by setroying thousand of minds, while synthesis leaves every being intact , every mind still it's own (if we take the endings at face value, which is the premise behind my post)

You missing the point was never to make reapers. Making reapers was what they though way to apply their salution. 
The reapers goal is to combince organics with synthetics, how they do it is not important, It just that they do it. And saying that synthesis is different becuae you still havefree will miss a very important fact...How does synthesis solves the reapers problem?I f you not how thay can control organics eith implants...Then you can understand why synthesis is not the right choice.

synthesis doesn't solve the problem reaper present, which is fine by me because I don't believe this problem exist

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Gexora wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gexora wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Sovereign said the Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution...
I guess they are a form of synthesis though...

A billion organic minds uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies. A hybrid of organic and inorganic material. Genetically engineered sentient starships. Organic dreadnoughts...

This makes no sense at all. Because Husks are mindless... well, husks, and Reapers are one single mind created by setroying thousand of minds, while synthesis leaves every being intact , every mind still it's own (if we take the endings at face value, which is the premise behind my post)

You missing the point was never to make reapers. Making reapers was what they though way to apply their salution. 
The reapers goal is to combince organics with synthetics, how they do it is not important, It just that they do it. And saying that synthesis is different becuae you still havefree will miss a very important fact...How does synthesis solves the reapers problem?I f you not how thay can control organics eith implants...Then you can understand why synthesis is not the right choice.

synthesis doesn't solve the problem reaper present, which is fine by me because I don't believe this problem exist

They you missing the point even more. Why would the reapers offer this salution if it solves nothing.
Say that the crucible opens up the fact that there salution is in error is also loston the fact that they don't justleave on their own, that the system they have must be intact for them to leave.

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ArchDuck wrote...

Seems fair OP.


Don't let the man get you down. Synthesis is probably the most optimistic and open ending, and the one that smacks most of sheer shiny idealistic paragon to ME.

Some people just like to interpret it in incredibly negative lights... But the endings are so vague that you can reject their headcanons and substitute your own.

Though I'm a "CONTROL BABY, CONTROL" person, I do intend on picking it in my shiny blue happy paragon Shepard when I ... get her through 1. And 2. And 3. So. Next year? >>

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dreman9999 wrote...

Gexora wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gexora wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Sovereign said the Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution...
I guess they are a form of synthesis though...

A billion organic minds uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies. A hybrid of organic and inorganic material. Genetically engineered sentient starships. Organic dreadnoughts...

This makes no sense at all. Because Husks are mindless... well, husks, and Reapers are one single mind created by setroying thousand of minds, while synthesis leaves every being intact , every mind still it's own (if we take the endings at face value, which is the premise behind my post)

You missing the point was never to make reapers. Making reapers was what they though way to apply their salution. 
The reapers goal is to combince organics with synthetics, how they do it is not important, It just that they do it. And saying that synthesis is different becuae you still havefree will miss a very important fact...How does synthesis solves the reapers problem?I f you not how thay can control organics eith implants...Then you can understand why synthesis is not the right choice.

synthesis doesn't solve the problem reaper present, which is fine by me because I don't believe this problem exist

They you missing the point even more. Why would the reapers offer this salution if it solves nothing.
Say that the crucible opens up the fact that there salution is in error is also loston the fact that they don't justleave on their own, that the system they have must be intact for them to leave.

I am sorry, I misinterpreted your post. 
Then again, you are going against my original premise, which is we take the endings at the face value, with Catalyst not lying (otherwise everyone would just choose destroy and be done with it) 

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Gexora wrote...

You are doing what Saren wanted, as opposed to what Anderson wanted.
This makes me facepalm every single time. Saren wanted to live in submission. Shepard doesn't.

It's relevent, not because it's what Saren believed, but because it's what Saren was brainwashed to believe...
By the Reapers...

Shepard does not deserve to be rewarded for picking it...
The better Synthesis works out, the more it breaks the story...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 17 mai 2012 - 07:46 .