People have shown throughout history to be entirely incapable of having power. Given the past histories of the galaxy, I'd venture to say that people are still going to be pretty pissed at one another.
If Synthesis makes them more powerful, all you've done is made things worse. You play "God" but you more closely resemble someone like Zeus, who was more than capable of mistakes.
It takes one Prometheus and you lose your fire. One.
Why my Shepard will choose Synthesis
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#327
Posté 07 juin 2012 - 10:01
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Darth_Trethon wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
An AI would trick you.
A VI would present faulty logic because it can't do anything else.
He's an incredibly limited VI.
Deliberate lies(creating reapers, citadel being part of it etc.) and the deliberate choice of look aren't explained by faulty logic....sorry but the VI argument just doesn't hold.
It never says it created the Reapers, only that "they are its solution", implying that it only directs them. Argument invalid.
How is "The Citadel is a part of me" a lie? Do you know what a "lie" actually is?
#328
Posté 07 juin 2012 - 10:07
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I don't trust people with Synthesis, nor do I believe that an upgrade will be doing them any good. There is no magic bullet ladies and gentlemen.
Marx was wrong, Stalin was wrong, Thatcher was wrong, Gandhi was wrong.
People are ***holes. People are going to oppress one another. It isn't hard to figure out.
The only way to make Synthesis works is to force people into some sort of Utopia, which is also wrong.
No one race should have an advantage over the other.
Roger Waters said it best
Give any one species too much rope
And they'll **** it up.
It was true then and it's true now and will be in the 22nd Century.
Marx was wrong, Stalin was wrong, Thatcher was wrong, Gandhi was wrong.
People are ***holes. People are going to oppress one another. It isn't hard to figure out.
The only way to make Synthesis works is to force people into some sort of Utopia, which is also wrong.
No one race should have an advantage over the other.
Roger Waters said it best
Give any one species too much rope
And they'll **** it up.
It was true then and it's true now and will be in the 22nd Century.
Modifié par Taboo-XX, 07 juin 2012 - 10:08 .
#329
Posté 07 juin 2012 - 10:13
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Taboo-XX wrote...
The only way to make Synthesis works is to force people into some sort of Utopia, which is also wrong.
inb4 someone (Ieldra) says "you can't apply human morals to the Catalyst, because it isn't human".
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 10:15
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o Ventus wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
The only way to make Synthesis works is to force people into some sort of Utopia, which is also wrong.
inb4 someone (Ieldra) says "you can't apply human morals to the Catalyst, because it isn't human".
In before art school training.
Seriously. I'm going to use the exact form of debate here that I do in the film world. You WILL hear my criticism until someone gives up. That's how it works.
#331
Posté 07 juin 2012 - 10:37
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It's solution.....VI's don't have solutions that eradicate civilizations....an AI is required for that. Creative thinking and radical solutions require a sentient being.o Ventus wrote...
It never says it created the Reapers, only that "they are its solution", implying that it only directs them. Argument invalid.
How is "The Citadel is a part of me" a lie? Do you know what a "lie" actually is?
The citadel is not part of a VI....simple. A VI can be part of the Citadel but not the other way around. An AI is another story.
And you still have no explanation for why it presents itself as that child. The child was clearly an intended major theme of the game that constantly appears so it was clearly not an accident....the wole "VI chose it cuz whatever unrelated coincidence" doesn't work.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 06:19
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Ok Taboo I think you are missing my point here. I understand synthesis is incapable of achieving galactic peace, because galactic peace is impossible. Like you said, people are ****s, and what's more, they are mostly stupid ****s. Even if Synthesis truly destroyed all diversity, made us all into the same species, we would still be fighting - for resources, power, because of emotions. Such is our nature. According to Bible, it took four people to make the Earth too crowded to stand
However, the reason I pickSynthesis is not to upgrade the universe and achive uberpeace. It's because I need to pick a color so my Galaxy is not oblitirated by Reaper armada. And I chose Synthesis because see the rest of the thread. Frankly, I am quite proud that my Shep was capable to apply rational thinking in such a situation. It shows her massive character development from tough, stubborn, trigger-happy marine she was in the beggining of ME1.
You say by making people more powerful I create the possibility for incredibly destructive conflicts. However, I believe people CAN sometimes be reasonable - USA and USSR didn't nuke each other. And if they do.... well, that would certainly be THEIR choice, after all
However, the reason I pickSynthesis is not to upgrade the universe and achive uberpeace. It's because I need to pick a color so my Galaxy is not oblitirated by Reaper armada. And I chose Synthesis because see the rest of the thread. Frankly, I am quite proud that my Shep was capable to apply rational thinking in such a situation. It shows her massive character development from tough, stubborn, trigger-happy marine she was in the beggining of ME1.
You say by making people more powerful I create the possibility for incredibly destructive conflicts. However, I believe people CAN sometimes be reasonable - USA and USSR didn't nuke each other. And if they do.... well, that would certainly be THEIR choice, after all
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 11:47
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Gexora wrote...
Ok Taboo I think you are missing my point here. I understand synthesis is incapable of achieving galactic peace, because galactic peace is impossible. Like you said, people are ****s, and what's more, they are mostly stupid ****s. Even if Synthesis truly destroyed all diversity, made us all into the same species, we would still be fighting - for resources, power, because of emotions. Such is our nature. According to Bible, it took four people to make the Earth too crowded to stand
However, the reason I pickSynthesis is not to upgrade the universe and achive uberpeace. It's because I need to pick a color so my Galaxy is not oblitirated by Reaper armada. And I chose Synthesis because see the rest of the thread. Frankly, I am quite proud that my Shep was capable to apply rational thinking in such a situation. It shows her massive character development from tough, stubborn, trigger-happy marine she was in the beggining of ME1.
You say by making people more powerful I create the possibility for incredibly destructive conflicts. However, I believe people CAN sometimes be reasonable - USA and USSR didn't nuke each other. And if they do.... well, that would certainly be THEIR choice, after all
Logically speaking, synthesis will cause the extinction of all life in the Milky Way galaxy. All according to the theory of evolution.
Modifié par InHarmsWay, 08 juin 2012 - 11:47 .
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 12:03
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Gexora wrote...
Ok Taboo I think you are missing my point here. I understand synthesis is incapable of achieving galactic peace, because galactic peace is impossible. Like you said, people are ****s, and what's more, they are mostly stupid ****s. Even if Synthesis truly destroyed all diversity, made us all into the same species, we would still be fighting - for resources, power, because of emotions. Such is our nature. According to Bible, it took four people to make the Earth too crowded to stand
However, the reason I pickSynthesis is not to upgrade the universe and achive uberpeace. It's because I need to pick a color so my Galaxy is not oblitirated by Reaper armada. And I chose Synthesis because see the rest of the thread. Frankly, I am quite proud that my Shep was capable to apply rational thinking in such a situation. It shows her massive character development from tough, stubborn, trigger-happy marine she was in the beggining of ME1.
You say by making people more powerful I create the possibility for incredibly destructive conflicts. However, I believe people CAN sometimes be reasonable - USA and USSR didn't nuke each other. And if they do.... well, that would certainly be THEIR choice, after all
When the USA and the USSR were closest to nuking each other, it was 1 person who prevented it from happening. The Soviet sensors detected the launching of loads of US nukes. The Soviet on duty, decided it couldn't be right and chose not to launch the Soviet missiles (as opposed to what he was meant to do). In the end it turned out to be a glitch, but the guy got into trouble. It was really lucky that he was the guy on duty. Starting a war with the highly advanced synthetics would be just as much the choice of the organics that did.
That said, I understand why you might choose this. You believe the Starchild is telling you what it believes, but you don't agree. Rather than trying to solve the problem the Starchild says it wants to solve, you're focused on picking the less destructive option. I have to ask though, why not control
(i'm not a fan of control) in that case ? Do you think that the power will corrupt? Or do you have another reason?
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 05:28
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Please see above - my comments regarding the so-called "pinnacle of evolution"InHarmsWay wrote...
Gexora wrote...
Ok Taboo I think you are missing my point here. I understand synthesis is incapable of achieving galactic peace, because galactic peace is impossible. Like you said, people are ****s, and what's more, they are mostly stupid ****s. Even if Synthesis truly destroyed all diversity, made us all into the same species, we would still be fighting - for resources, power, because of emotions. Such is our nature. According to Bible, it took four people to make the Earth too crowded to stand
However, the reason I pickSynthesis is not to upgrade the universe and achive uberpeace. It's because I need to pick a color so my Galaxy is not oblitirated by Reaper armada. And I chose Synthesis because see the rest of the thread. Frankly, I am quite proud that my Shep was capable to apply rational thinking in such a situation. It shows her massive character development from tough, stubborn, trigger-happy marine she was in the beggining of ME1.
You say by making people more powerful I create the possibility for incredibly destructive conflicts. However, I believe people CAN sometimes be reasonable - USA and USSR didn't nuke each other. And if they do.... well, that would certainly be THEIR choice, after all
Logically speaking, synthesis will cause the extinction of all life in the Milky Way galaxy. All according to the theory of evolution.
KingZayd wrote...
That said, I understand why you might choose this. You believe the Starchild is telling you what it believes, but you don't agree. Rather than trying to solve the problem the Starchild says it wants to solve, you're focused on picking the less destructive option. I have to ask though, why not control
(i'm not a fan of control) in that case ? Do you think that the power will corrupt? Or do you have another reason?
Yep, you pretty much nailed it down.
On control - it sure sounds fun, but I don't believe one man/woman, however remarkable, can control hundreds of ancient sentient beings like Sov and Harby. In all likelihood Shepard, or whatever's left of him/her, will go insane and then things will get really bad, fast
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 05:37
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Then have no fear! Because the Reapers aren't sentient beings. Never were. The Catalyst may have used people as part of the Reaper construction process, but the Reapers are machines. And machines are tools, made to be wielded.Gexora wrote...
On control - it sure sounds fun, but I don't believe one man/woman, however remarkable, can control hundreds of ancient sentient beings like Sov and Harby. In all likelihood Shepard, or whatever's left of him/her, will go insane and then things will get really bad, fast
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 05:44
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Synthesis is a terrible choice because the Reaper problem is never actually solved.
In Control the Reapers are placed under Shepard's thumb. And in Destroy, the Reapers are, umm... destroyed. But in Synthesis, the Reapers are (presumably) given/elevated to a sort of independence and let go to do as they will without so much a a pinkie swear that they'll behave themselves.
In Control the Reapers are placed under Shepard's thumb. And in Destroy, the Reapers are, umm... destroyed. But in Synthesis, the Reapers are (presumably) given/elevated to a sort of independence and let go to do as they will without so much a a pinkie swear that they'll behave themselves.
