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[Fortlowe]

I got my ass kicked (what I called getting spanked, relax) daily, almost. I deserved it. Mischief was and still is fun and the kinda fun that requires consequence, or it may quickly turn into mayhem. That consequence taught me restraint. Discipline. If my kids turn out to be anything like me, fear isn't going to be much of a barrier for them. In fact it may be more of a motivation than a deterrent. I'll likely need to kick my children's asses. Daily.

[android654]

Skelter192 wrote...

android654 wrote...

I'm curious how many advocating beating kids have kids or were beaten themselves.

<--- My mom could never beat me!

Frankly when I was younger I would prefer to get hit with a belt then say having something taken from me not that I was given a choice what form my punishment took.

Well in your case you could probably use some spankings.

[C9316]

Ah you gotta love this PC crap nowadays. I got the belt and even the switch and I feel that I'm better for it, I was a horrible child at one point.

[android654]

horacethegrey wrote...

android654 wrote...
From Webster's Dictionary

Beating
: to strike repeatedly: a[/i] : to hit repeatedly so as to inflict pain —often used with up

So yes, Spankings are Beatings. So, if you think it's ok to turn a four or five yearold's skin red with hitting it repeatedly, then you're advocating beatings.

Whoa whoa whoa... When did I say you had to hit them repeatedly? Disciplining a child usually requires one slap to send the message. 

I think you're taking things way to literally.

That's what I was getting at. Where do you draw the line? One little slap, and then you failed your message of getting the point across. The whole point of spanking to deliver a message to a kid has to come with some degree of pain, and hitting someone with the intent to deliver pain is a beating.

[Volus Warlord]

android654 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Life's a slippery slope. 

If you think that, then doesn't it make sense to think about what you do and the reprecussions of what you do, as to best ensure the best outcome? You can't possibly think that and think hitting a three year old who probably can't comprehend why they're being hit is better than explaining to them the situation and why it's wrong.

Well, frankly, I don't. I'm just trying to make copious sums of money and I don't care who I step on to do so.

Speaking of which, would you like to work for me for $.35/hour?

[Vaern Sul]

android654 wrote...

That's what I was getting at. Where do you draw the line? One little slap, and then you failed your message of getting the point across. The whole point of spanking to deliver a message to a kid has to come with some degree of pain, and hitting someone with the intent to deliver pain is a beating.

And then again, what's your alternative ? 'Cause I've seen the results of Summerhill school, and it ain't pretty.

Modifié par Vaern Sul, 17 mai 2012 - 01:56 .

[The Jackal]

I'm just saying..if a child does something wrong and they are of age. Instead of trying to get them to fear you by beating them with a belt. How about finding out why they did, what they did. No you don't have to be their best friend. Just "talk"

Most parent's I see nowdays. Just shout and spank when their child does something wrong. Odd people who think kid's shouldn't be punished think they will turn out to be spoiled SOB or under educated in some way.

Spanking from what I remember hurt and it didn't really solve anything. I still remember some spankings I got when I was younger and they are not found memory's. I think this whole "spank your child, will thank you for it" is a way to validate a reason for beating your child senseless.

Just make sure when you spank a child, upload it to youtube so the people there can tell you. That you are a monster.

[horacethegrey]

android654 wrote...

That's what I was getting at. Where do you draw the line? One little slap, and then you failed your message of getting the point across. The whole point of spanking to deliver a message to a kid has to come with some degree of pain, and hitting someone with the intent to deliver pain is a beating.

I agree there is a line, but you like to argue that even a little spanking can qualify as abuse. And that is just not true.

[Vaern Sul]

Ooh, Jason, you horrendous troll.

[android654]

Vaern Sul wrote...

android654 wrote...

That's what I was getting at. Where do you draw the line? One little slap, and then you failed your message of getting the point across. The whole point of spanking to deliver a message to a kid has to come with some degree of pain, and hitting someone with the intent to deliver pain is a beating.

And then again, what's your alternative ? 'Cause I've seen the results of Summerhill school, and it ain't pretty.

I'm not claiming to be a child rearing expert. I personally can't stand kids, but I've got a lot of experience with kids who are beaten as a form of discipline and it screwed them up more than what their parents attempted to correct. However, if your best form of getting your point across is to strike something, then you sound like something two paces to the left on the evolutionary chart.

Volus Warlord wrote...

android654 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Life's a slippery slope. 

If you think that, then doesn't it make sense to think about what you do and the reprecussions of what you do, as to best ensure the best outcome? You can't possibly think that and think hitting a three year old who probably can't comprehend why they're being hit is better than explaining to them the situation and why it's wrong.

Well, frankly, I don't. I'm just trying to make copious sums of money and I don't care who I step on to do so.

Speaking of which, would you like to work for me for $.35/hour?

Sounds like an empty existence. If I were you I'd use that money and invest in high fiber rope and strong ceiling beams.

[Vaern Sul]

You know, sometimes the moral high ground is just not worth the effort... Though I must admit, you use semantics and argument distorting quite well. I won't bother repeating what I said over the last three pages.
However, if you could point out to me the part when I give off the impression of a brute who tramples babies for fun, I would gladly correct this wrong portrayal of myself.

Let's just agree that noone here has figured out the perfect method for raising kids. Problem is, if you turn the 'corporal punishment' all the way down, all is left to you is shouting and talking. And it simply won't work on every kids.

Modifié par Vaern Sul, 17 mai 2012 - 02:16 .

[The Jackal]

Vaern Sul wrote...

You know, sometimes the moral high ground is just not worth the effort... Though I must admit, you use semantics and argument distorting quite well. I won't bother repeating what I said over the last three pages.

I call for reasonable actions, as against hitting a child to talking to them and I am called a troll for that.

This is just my take on it. Some kids seem to be screwed up by not getting hit as kids, other kids are screwed up from being hit too much. I call it hitting because you can displine a child without hitting them. You can punish them without so much as laying a finger on them.

I have seen several times kids, shout and scream and parent's simply scream at the kid for making a mess and slap them on the bottom as if they were a bad animal. Yes, tempers do flare and you can lose your cool and in that moment it might seem like only logical choice.

[Homebound]

and thus the circle of violence continues...

[Volus Warlord]

Hellbound555 wrote...

and thus the circle of violence continues...

Violence is a beautiful thing. Violence is the basis for order in all government and all societies.


That last for more than a few years that is.

[Volus Warlord]

android654 wrote...

Sounds like an empty existence. If I were you I'd use that money and invest in high fiber rope and strong ceiling beams.

Lol. There's no good market for that.

[Homebound]

Seagloom wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Hitting kids is dumb.

Indeed. I was raised in the last generation where hitting was considered en vogue. Growing up I was slapped, lashed, and on one occasion, punched in the stomach. I was also punished in ways some might consider torture. No one considered it abuse back then because it was just the acceptable way to raise a kid in a Hispanic household. None of those experiences taught me to respect my elders or be a better person. All it did was make me feel paranoid, helpless, and resentful. It also left me with a void I needed to fill with a certain someone's approval that I will probably carry for the rest of my life.

What taught me respect and empathy was example and positive reinforcement. Seeing people behave in a certain way and wanting to emulate them so I could be as loved as they were. Being comforted after I was hit or punised which highlighted why kindness was important. Being told I was doing good when I did good; and occasionally, if warranted, being rewarded for it.

Nothing great in my life ever came from being hit. Based on the few times I hit a niece or nephew when I still a teen that didn't know better, I don't think it's a useful disciplinary tool from the other side of the fence either.

My latest nieces and nephews from two different sisters are among the most well behaved childen I've seen, and neither of my siblings believes in hitting.

So yes, it's dumb.

I can agree there are parents out there failing in their personal responsibility to care for their children, but violence is not the answer.

And before anyone pulls the anecdotal evidence card, I will note the premise of this thread is in itself anecdotal.

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[grregg]

Vaern Sul wrote...

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grregg wrote...
If it's not allowed to hit an adult, why would it be acceptable to hit a child? Are they somehow less human?

For god's sake, no one here is advocating beating a child to a pulp for the sake of it.
It's about raising a kid and not having him become a brat who throw chairs at teachers. When a bloody thief is caught, you punish him.
What would you do when a kid throws rocks at other kids because he finds it funny ? Applaud ? Do nothing ? make him sit through an hour-long seminary about how violence is wrong ? I guess the latter would bore him to death so it would kind of work.

And I wasn't advocating beating adults to a pulp either. So for example if my employee misses a deadline, am I allowed to spank him/her? No. Then why wouldn't the same apply to a child?

Heck, we don't even use corporal punishment for murderers, are kids worse? How?! They are certainly annoying, but that's another problem.

And to answer your question, if I saw a kid throwing rocks, I'd stop him. That's obvious I hope. I'd probably defer the punishment to his parents though, it's their kid after all.

[Chromie]

android654 wrote...

Well in your case you could probably use some spankings.

Woah woah please keep this PG this is a family forum! 

[Gibb_Shepard]

If a teacher ever touched me back in high school (Last year) i would've kciked his ass out of the classroom. Respect is earned, and should only be payed to those who deserve it. I'm not about to respect a piece of **** just because he or she is my elder.

[android654]

Skelter192 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Well in your case you could probably use some spankings.

Woah woah please keep this PG this is a family forum! 

What I said was on topic. Get your mind out of the gutter.

[kobayashi-maru]

One smack on hand or bum is fine, but not some of the stuff Ive seen in public. Mums twisting arms, swearing and taking out anger on child is wrong. Bad parenting and lack of humans needing licence and iq test before being allowed to breed is problem

Im 32 and when I was 4 for a week I had issues walking because my dads punishment involved kicking me so hard in the bum I went flying. So abuse is fun...

[RedArmyShogun]

Volus Warlord wrote...

android654 wrote...

Sounds like an empty existence. If I were you I'd use that money and invest in high fiber rope and strong ceiling beams.

Lol. There's no good market for that.

Thats not true, some contract killers use such things to make false suicides. In fact I might want a few of them. I mean not that I'm a Hitman << >>

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Better Crippled in Body than Corrupt in Mind.

I was raised by parents who had experienced corporal punishment. That didn't stop them from using the threat of such punishment to keep my brother and I in line. Fear ensures loyalty, and though I was never actually subjected to corporal punishment, I was raised to be loyal to family and clan. Sometimes the only way for a person to make someone understand is to physically dominate them.