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[Daennikus]

I was walking my dog around the lake one evening and caught some kids throwing rocks at the ducks. Their dad was with them. I tell them to stop, and their dad says this:

"It's better to throw rocks at ducks than at humans."

Wow, nice parenting, a**hole.

[Clover Rider]

Seagloom wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Hitting kids is dumb.

Indeed. I was raised in the last generation where hitting was considered en vogue. Growing up I was slapped, lashed, and on one occasion, punched in the stomach. I was also punished in ways some might consider torture. No one considered it abuse back then because it was just the acceptable way to raise a kid in a Hispanic household. None of those experiences taught me to respect my elders or be a better person. All it did was make me feel paranoid, helpless, and resentful. It also left me with a void I needed to fill with a certain someone's approval that I will probably carry for the rest of my life.

What taught me respect and empathy was example and positive reinforcement. Seeing people behave in a certain way and wanting to emulate them so I could be as loved as they were. Being comforted after I was hit or punised which highlighted why kindness was important. Being told I was doing good when I did good; and occasionally, if warranted, being rewarded for it.

Nothing great in my life ever came from being hit. Based on the few times I hit a niece or nephew when I still a teen that didn't know better, I don't think it's a useful disciplinary tool from the other side of the fence either.

My latest nieces and nephews from two different sisters are among the most well behaved childen I've seen, and neither of my siblings believes in hitting.

So yes, it's dumb.

I can agree there are parents out there failing in their personal responsibility to care for their children, but violence is not the answer.

And before anyone pulls the anecdotal evidence card, I will note the premise of this thread is in itself anecdotal.

See I get what you are saying and I have never been hit by my mom or dad. They wanted to teach me with the "lead by example" type of parenting(it does wonders as you know;)), they were nice and good people and I ended up a nice and good person. Was I ever spoiled? somewhat but I never became greedy, and I always knew what I had(not much).

Anyway like you said, hitting kids will not get you their respect, it will get you their fear and that's not the same thing.

[ReallyRue]

I'd love to know where people are buying their rose-tinted glasses. I'd like some. That has to be what causes this "everything was sunshine and rainbows in the past, but today everything is going to the dogs" attitude people have.

OP, you honestly think that 20, 30 years ago children were so remarkably obedient and wonderful? Doesn't it occur to you that the fact there was a precedent of slapping a kid for stealing means that kids did in fact do those things? A hundred years aog, people were despairing about 'modern society'.

[grregg]

ReallyRue wrote...

I'd love to know where people are buying their rose-tinted glasses. I'd like some. That has to be what causes this "everything was sunshine and rainbows in the past, but today everything is going to the dogs" attitude people have.

(...)

I think it's a fairly common phenomenon caused by the fact that whatever problems we (or the previous generations) used to have are either solved, went away on their own or we simply got used to them. The current problems on the other hand are right here, they're scary and so on.

The result is that the past always seems a bit idyllic, while the present is always at least a bit scary, while in fact it's the other way around. The past was a pretty rough place and we have it easy (in comparison). That's why it's called progress.

And as someone pointed out, an older generation complaining about a younger one is as old as humanity. It simply means that OP is getting old. I hear it happens to everybody sooner or later.

[Naughty Bear]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

people at my age are disgusting. No respect at all. Each one deserves a punch in the face and military service. When I was 16 (now 18) my peers made a teacher cry, assaulted one, slashed a teachers tyres, threw chairs at them and openly abused them. My generation has no hope, the majority of them are sleeping around getting pregnant, drinking on the streets, no job and on benefits. It's embarrassing.

holy crap naughty bear, did I go to school with you or something? or is it that bad everywhere? I remember one of my councilers quit 2 years before retirement cuz one of the idiot students at my highschool chased her two blocks from school with a knife.

edit: as for that quip about your generation having no hope, drinking on the streets etc..as a person who used to work at a soup kitchen, let me tell u, thats an unfair generalization. Some of those people who are getting caught in your generalization are people who are ill or victims of every kind of abuse. Again, full circle. back to parents.

It is bad everywhere. Most people in our generation think they can and they actually can get away with anything.

Teachers don't deserve this kind of abuse yet they do. Teaching kids must be a nnightmare, especially if the class is around my age.

I'm 18 years old and my mum hit me with coat hangers, pinched and pulled my ear into my room, she locked me out of the front room when it was dark (i hated the dark so much), and my dad hit me once in a while. One neighbour saw me playing on the road once, grabbed me and dragged me to my house and i can tell you my dad was NOT happy at all.

Blaming it on the parents is not always right. My mum was a gambling addict and i think she still is. And my dad is/was an alchoholic. He Still comes back from the pub really pissed off and threatens to hit me. I swear the guy is emotionally unstable but i still did not grow up rotten.

I know what is right and what is wrong, i don't go around causing trouble like most people my age. That 'blame the parents' is no excuse at all.

I want to get an education, i want to get furthur up the ladder and i want a good career, it just seems that mos my age do not give a toss at all. It's all bollocks really, the UK is the dustbin of Europe, during one my driving lessons, in this rough area there were two kids my age or older on a moped going up and down the road dodging traffic putting everyone who was driving at risk.

I should of rammed them off.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 17 mai 2012 - 07:04 .

[Volus Warlord]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

android654 wrote...

Sounds like an empty existence. If I were you I'd use that money and invest in high fiber rope and strong ceiling beams.

Lol. There's no good market for that.

Thats not true, some contract killers use such things to make false suicides. In fact I might want a few of them. I mean not that I'm a Hitman << >>

Contract killers are a rather limited market. I'm trying to appeal to the COD fanbase here.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

android654 wrote...

Sounds like an empty existence. If I were you I'd use that money and invest in high fiber rope and strong ceiling beams.

Lol. There's no good market for that.

Thats not true, some contract killers use such things to make false suicides. In fact I might want a few of them. I mean not that I'm a Hitman << >>

Contract killers are a rather limited market. I'm trying to appeal to the COD fanbase here.

Why not appeal to the Assassin's Creed Fanbase?

[jmadsen]

I've never been spanked, am I a bad person? No, at most im lazy. But I suppose spanking would have cured that too. Please continue telling me about how your generation turned out perfect.

[Blastback]

Daennikus wrote...

I was walking my dog around the lake one evening and caught some kids throwing rocks at the ducks. Their dad was with them. I tell them to stop, and their dad says this:

"It's better to throw rocks at ducks than at humans."

Wow, nice parenting, a**hole.

Hopefully they never visit Yellowstone.  Throwing rocks at bison is a way to get someone killed.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Blastback wrote...

Daennikus wrote...

I was walking my dog around the lake one evening and caught some kids throwing rocks at the ducks. Their dad was with them. I tell them to stop, and their dad says this:

"It's better to throw rocks at ducks than at humans."

Wow, nice parenting, a**hole.

Hopefully they never visit Yellowstone.  Throwing rocks at bison is a way to get someone killed.

its a sure way to get squished to a pulp.

[Naughty Bear]

Blastback wrote...

Daennikus wrote...

I was walking my dog around the lake one evening and caught some kids throwing rocks at the ducks. Their dad was with them. I tell them to stop, and their dad says this:

"It's better to throw rocks at ducks than at humans."

Wow, nice parenting, a**hole.

Hopefully they never visit Yellowstone.  Throwing rocks at bison is a way to get someone killed.

I would pushed them in one by one and then throw rocks at them. See how they ****ing like it.

Thankfully, i have not seen anyone abuse animals, if i did then i will make sure my face haunts that man for the rest of his life.

[The Jackal]

Hitting another person is called assault. Why is striking your child not the same?

[legion999]

Daennikus wrote...

I was walking my dog around the lake one evening and caught some kids throwing rocks at the ducks. Their dad was with them. I tell them to stop, and their dad says this:

"It's better to throw rocks at ducks than at humans."

Wow, nice parenting, a**hole.

That's ****ing stupid.

[Daennikus]

Yep.

Kind of steering away from the topic but when I see kids (and older kids) abusing animals for fun it makes me think that some humans are real monsters, and there's nothing you can do to change that.

I don't believe in brutal punishment even though it's very clear to me when a kid is going wrong. The angrier I get, the more skeptical I become, actually. Being violent to a kid who is already violent and only knows brutality as a means to express him or herself, that's only adding oil to the fire. I prefer scolding, lecturing and making them feel horrible about themselves. Make them use their brain for a change, it will hurt.

[Naughty Bear]

Daennikus wrote...

Yep.

Kind of steering away from the topic but when I see kids (and older kids) abusing animals for fun it makes me think that some humans are real monsters, and there's nothing you can do to change that.

I don't believe in brutal punishment even though it's very clear to me when a kid is going wrong. The angrier I get, the more skeptical I become, actually. Being violent to a kid who is already violent and only knows brutality as a means to express him or herself, that's only adding oil to the fire. I prefer scolding, lecturing and making them feel horrible about themselves. Make them use their brain for a change, it will hurt.

I have seen teachers use that method and it has never worked. Punishment is in order, if you do something then you work to pay it off.

Do something wron at school then you stay in at break and help clean dishes in the refectory or clean the toilets. Make them do something productive, i certainly won't mess about in class if i knew i will have to clean toilets.

[Daennikus]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Daennikus wrote...

Yep.

Kind of steering away from the topic but when I see kids (and older kids) abusing animals for fun it makes me think that some humans are real monsters, and there's nothing you can do to change that.

I don't believe in brutal punishment even though it's very clear to me when a kid is going wrong. The angrier I get, the more skeptical I become, actually. Being violent to a kid who is already violent and only knows brutality as a means to express him or herself, that's only adding oil to the fire. I prefer scolding, lecturing and making them feel horrible about themselves. Make them use their brain for a change, it will hurt.

I have seen teachers use that method and it has never worked. Punishment is in order, if you do something then you work to pay it off.

Do something wron at school then you stay in at break and help clean dishes in the refectory or clean the toilets. Make them do something productive, i certainly won't mess about in class if i knew i will have to clean toilets.

I would never become a teacher for people younger than 25. I came very close to it at one point but ran away from that like my butt was on fire. Call me a coward, I just don't have what it takes to manage that kind of stress, and the crowd-control issues of a classroom are a nightmare. 

When I said scolding, I meant a one-on-one talk, isolated, preferably in a dark room with cold metallic furniture. I'm the equivalent of a TSA agent here in France so I'm used to that kind of one-sided conversation style. People get overly dramatic in public, you have to take their audience away.

[AlanC9]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Better Crippled in Body than Corrupt in Mind.

I was raised by parents who had experienced corporal punishment. That didn't stop them from using the threat of such punishment to keep my brother and I in line. Fear ensures loyalty, and though I was never actually subjected to corporal punishment, I was raised to be loyal to family and clan. Sometimes the only way for a person to make someone understand is to physically dominate them.

This is a parody, right?

[AlanC9]

Whenever something like this comes up....

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Kids these days? They openly disrespect, even assault old people. Even teachers are not safe. 

......I have to refer people to Laura Ingalls Wilder's Farmer Boy (part of the Little House on the Prarie series, though this one is her future husband's childhood, not hers). Upstate New York, 1866, and a gang of teenagers repeatedly physically assault the new schoolteachers so school gets cancelled and they don't have to go.

[Naughty Bear]

Daennikus wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Daennikus wrote...

Yep.

Kind of steering away from the topic but when I see kids (and older kids) abusing animals for fun it makes me think that some humans are real monsters, and there's nothing you can do to change that.

I don't believe in brutal punishment even though it's very clear to me when a kid is going wrong. The angrier I get, the more skeptical I become, actually. Being violent to a kid who is already violent and only knows brutality as a means to express him or herself, that's only adding oil to the fire. I prefer scolding, lecturing and making them feel horrible about themselves. Make them use their brain for a change, it will hurt.

I have seen teachers use that method and it has never worked. Punishment is in order, if you do something then you work to pay it off.

Do something wron at school then you stay in at break and help clean dishes in the refectory or clean the toilets. Make them do something productive, i certainly won't mess about in class if i knew i will have to clean toilets.

I would never become a teacher for people younger than 25. I came very close to it at one point but ran away from that like my butt was on fire. Call me a coward, I just don't have what it takes to manage that kind of stress, and the crowd-control issues of a classroom are a nightmare. 

When I said scolding, I meant a one-on-one talk, isolated, preferably in a dark room with cold metallic furniture. I'm the equivalent of a TSA agent here in France so I'm used to that kind of one-sided conversation style. People get overly dramatic in public, you have to take their audience away.

That reminds me of another situation at school.

One kid got told of and just so happened to be one of the 'popular' lads.

Anyhow, long story cut short, everyone ganged up on the teacher for being 'unfair' when the lad was disrupting everyone.

My peers got up and cornered the teacher. The teacher just walked out and never came back.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

AlanC9 wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Better Crippled in Body than Corrupt in Mind.

I was raised by parents who had experienced corporal punishment. That didn't stop them from using the threat of such punishment to keep my brother and I in line. Fear ensures loyalty, and though I was never actually subjected to corporal punishment, I was raised to be loyal to family and clan. Sometimes the only way for a person to make someone understand is to physically dominate them.

This is a parody, right?

nah. I was being truthful. I was one of the lucky kids to have parents who limited themselves to threatening me with corporal punishment in a raised tone of voice. being a good kid, that was usually enough to keep me in line. I don't joke about my childhood. I am loyal to my family, and My father grew up on a farm, so we don't have time for doublespeak.

[The Jackal]

People who hit their kids should have CPS takes their kids for life and then force them to go to consular services who teaches proper parenting.

[legion999]

JasonRocker wrote...

People who hit their kids should have CPS takes their kids for life and then force them to go to consular services who teaches proper parenting.

Cool but only if they take away kids from parents who don't monitor their kids.

[RedArmyShogun]

Jason your the last person I would want moral advice from. Hell Hitler would make a better person to listen too.

[The Jackal]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Jason your the last person I would want moral advice from. Hell Hitler would make a better person to listen too.

Get over yourself, my female thread has nothing to do with this. Quit being a spoiled sport because you are all cyinical and grouchy. Yes I lied to a female once..get over it..I'm sure it's been done before. While your at it, get some games registered too. 

Also reported for Hitler comment.

Modifié par JasonRocker, 17 mai 2012 - 09:47 .

[Volus Warlord]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

android654 wrote...

Sounds like an empty existence. If I were you I'd use that money and invest in high fiber rope and strong ceiling beams.

Lol. There's no good market for that.

Thats not true, some contract killers use such things to make false suicides. In fact I might want a few of them. I mean not that I'm a Hitman << >>

Contract killers are a rather limited market. I'm trying to appeal to the COD fanbase here.

Why not appeal to the Assassin's Creed Fanbase?

That'd be a start, but I want the maximum market possible.