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[kookie28]

dreman9999 wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

And at every turn, every shred of "evidence" for IT you have to assume that's what Bioware intended.  You have to assume that Bioware is infallible and couldn't possibly make a mistake.

The trees and brush in the charge to the beam are the same as in the dreams!  Bioware couldn't possibly just be recycling these to save time and resources!  It must mean something other than what's given!  Shepard is having a dream!  Probably because he is indoctrinated!

And to come to that conclusion, you have to already believe that Shepard is indoctrinated.  Anyone that doesn't believe it sees all the "evidence" individually can simply chalk these things up to rational reasons.  Like lazyness.

If you want to argue the point of indoctrinatio, watch the documataryfirst...It already made the comment on the trees and bushed ageint it as proof, also , look at this...
http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/

My trees and brush post was just an example.  You can apply that to any part of the Indoctrination Theory. 

Which is exactly why it's weak.

Like the 3 years of Shepard has been on and of contact with reaper tech and the events of arrival, where he is hit by several indoctriantion waves and sees visions and here's vocies in his head and is nknockedout for 2 days near it.
Or maybe the fact TIM control Shepard at the end of the game and at that maoment every symtom of indoctriantion happens.

Once again, you are assuming that Shepard is being affected by indoctrination and that the process is taking place. 

And you are assuming he's not.

My assumption doesn't lead to more assumptions and speculations.

I can reasonably guess that Shepard was not indoctrinated from those encounters.    Your assumptions lead to more assumptions about even more assumptions.

If we are using 
Occam's Razor, then it means you assumtion that TIM is usingsomethingother then indoctrination is base less. We already have proof that it's implanted and proof the it only controls diffrent froms of indoctrination. And we know Andrerson has been in contact with reaper for the entirity of ME3. And has been in contact with reaperson and offfor 3years....It would be simpler basedon 
Occam's Razor to say TIM is using indoctrination being nothing is shown to be anything else.

I'm having trouble reading your english, but I think you're saying that TIM's implant only controls indoctrinated people.  Like the Cerberus soldiers.

To which I'd reply: No, that's never said.  We don't know everything the implants can do.

[kookie28]

balance5050 wrote...

Occam's Razor = "Bioware is lazy LALALALALalalalala"

If that's the case then Indoctrination theory basically means Harbinger did 9/11 and Marauder Shields shot JFK.

[balance5050]

kookie28 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Occam's Razor = "Bioware is lazy LALALALALalalalala"

If that's the case then Indoctrination theory basically means Harbinger did 9/11 and Marauder Shields shot JFK.

 

[dreman9999]

kookie28 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

And at every turn, every shred of "evidence" for IT you have to assume that's what Bioware intended.  You have to assume that Bioware is infallible and couldn't possibly make a mistake.

The trees and brush in the charge to the beam are the same as in the dreams!  Bioware couldn't possibly just be recycling these to save time and resources!  It must mean something other than what's given!  Shepard is having a dream!  Probably because he is indoctrinated!

And to come to that conclusion, you have to already believe that Shepard is indoctrinated.  Anyone that doesn't believe it sees all the "evidence" individually can simply chalk these things up to rational reasons.  Like lazyness.

If you want to argue the point of indoctrinatio, watch the documataryfirst...It already made the comment on the trees and bushed ageint it as proof, also , look at this...
http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/

My trees and brush post was just an example.  You can apply that to any part of the Indoctrination Theory. 

Which is exactly why it's weak.

Like the 3 years of Shepard has been on and of contact with reaper tech and the events of arrival, where he is hit by several indoctriantion waves and sees visions and here's vocies in his head and is nknockedout for 2 days near it.
Or maybe the fact TIM control Shepard at the end of the game and at that maoment every symtom of indoctriantion happens.

Once again, you are assuming that Shepard is being affected by indoctrination and that the process is taking place. 

And you are assuming he's not.

My assumption doesn't lead to more assumptions and speculations.

I can reasonably guess that Shepard was not indoctrinated from those encounters.    Your assumptions lead to more assumptions about even more assumptions.

If we are using 
Occam's Razor, then it means you assumtion that TIM is usingsomethingother then indoctrination is base less. We already have proof that it's implanted and proof the it only controls diffrent froms of indoctrination. And we know Andrerson has been in contact with reaper for the entirity of ME3. And has been in contact with reaperson and offfor 3years....It would be simpler basedon 
Occam's Razor to say TIM is using indoctrination being nothing is shown to be anything else.

I'm having trouble reading your english, but I think you're saying that TIM's implant only controls indoctrinated people.  Like the Cerberus soldiers.

To which I'd reply: No, that's never said.  We don't know everything the implants can do.

Yes it it. Sacturay say it and the video you see onthe cerberus base says it too. The point of sactuary was to study indoctination and have cerberus us itas their own. They could control husk with it...A form of indoctination. Base on 
Occam's Razor and Shepard and Anderson having alot of contact with reapers and reaper tech, TIM controling Shepard at the end is proof that Shepardis in the process of indoctrination.

[UrgentArchengel]

Chris Priestly wrote...

And at every turn, every shred of "evidence" for IT you have to assume that's what Bioware intended.  You have to assume that Bioware is infallible and couldn't possibly make a mistake.

The trees and brush in the charge to the beam are the same as in the dreams!  Bioware couldn't possibly just be recycling these to save time and resources!  It must mean something other than what's given!  Shepard is having a dream!  Probably because he is indoctrinated!

And to come to that conclusion, you have to already believe that Shepard is indoctrinated.  Anyone that doesn't believe it sees all the "evidence" individually can simply chalk these things up to rational reasons.  Like lazyness.

In my expirience of life, I can without a doubt say nothing is infallible and yes, lots of IT "evidence" is quite questionable.  But there have been a few things here and there that have made me wonder.  IT for me though...Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, and that is the general consensus with Pro-IT.  He isn't in the Reaper thralls yet, but is very close. The ending is just a cliffhanger for the ME4 or some upcoming DLC.  Why wouldn't EA try to milk more money from one of there cash cows?  Lol.

[UrgentArchengel]

balance5050 wrote...

 

Thir's better.  Lol.

[BatmanTurian]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

And at every turn, every shred of "evidence" for IT you have to assume that's what Bioware intended.  You have to assume that Bioware is infallible and couldn't possibly make a mistake.

The trees and brush in the charge to the beam are the same as in the dreams!  Bioware couldn't possibly just be recycling these to save time and resources!  It must mean something other than what's given!  Shepard is having a dream!  Probably because he is indoctrinated!

And to come to that conclusion, you have to already believe that Shepard is indoctrinated.  Anyone that doesn't believe it sees all the "evidence" individually can simply chalk these things up to rational reasons.  Like lazyness.

In my expirience of life, I can without a doubt say nothing is infallible and yes, lots of IT "evidence" is quite questionable.  But there have been a few things here and there that have made me wonder.  IT for me though...Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, and that is the general consensus with Pro-IT.  He isn't in the Reaper thralls yet, but is very close. The ending is just a cliffhanger for the ME4 or some upcoming DLC.  Why wouldn't EA try to milk more money from one of there cash cows?  Lol.

Kookie must be Chris Priestly trying to debunk IT so that we don't ruin their surprise ending. I see what you did thar, Chris.

EDIT: that was a joke...

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 17 mai 2012 - 09:37 .

[kookie28]

[balance5050]

kookie28 wrote...

I love this one!

[dreman9999]

kookie28 wrote...

Exactly.....As funny as it is...That comic is true.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 mai 2012 - 09:42 .

[UrgentArchengel]

kookie28 wrote...

I got only one thing to say to you...That was the most hilarious thing I have read in a long while.

[BigGuy28]

It doesn't have to make sense! Indoctrination!

[dreman9999]

BigGuy28 wrote...

It doesn't have to make sense! Indoctrination!

Being near reaper tech on and off for 3 years causes indoctrination makes no sense?

[kookie28]

balance5050 wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Occam's Razor = "Bioware is lazy LALALALALalalalala"

If that's the case then Indoctrination theory basically means Harbinger did 9/11 and Marauder Shields shot JFK.

 

[Unschuld]

I like how this thread has devolved into another "IT is dumb!" "No, anti-IT is dumb!" argument rather than actually addressing the OP's topic.

[kookie28]

Unschuld wrote...

I like how this thread has devolved into another "IT is dumb!" "No, anti-IT is dumb!" argument rather than actually addressing the OP's topic.

You were expecting different?

[dreman9999]

Unschuld wrote...

I like how this thread has devolved into another "IT is dumb!" "No, anti-IT is dumb!" argument rather than actually addressing the OP's topic.

I know. I argued that the 2 other ending can be applied as bad choices even with out IT...And it got warpedinto an argument of trusting the star child or not...And it warped to an IT argument.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 mai 2012 - 09:53 .

[balance5050]

dreman9999 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I like how this thread has devolved into another "IT is dumb!" "No, anti-IT is dumb!" argument rather than actually addressing the OP's topic.

I know. I argued that the 2 other ending can be applied as bad choices even with out IT...And it got warpedinto an argument of trusting the star child or not...And it warped to an IT argument.

The cycle continues.

[Ageless Face]

kookie28 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I like how this thread has devolved into another "IT is dumb!" "No, anti-IT is dumb!" argument rather than actually addressing the OP's topic.

You were expecting different?

It would have been a surprise if it wouldn't have, but it will be nice to see a thread which mentions the IT without it become a thread if the IT is wrong or not. 

[Wabajakka]

Ugh, OP, you forgot one thing when you posted this ironically...

Egoists... Remember who you may be trying to reason with here.

[Ageless Face]

Orange Tee wrote...

Ugh, OP, you forgot one thing when you posted this ironically...

Egoists... Remember who you may be trying to reason with here.

I don't think it's on purpuse. I figured that if people see the damage they can cause by making thier points, they will consider what i'm saying. I guess i'm being naive.

[ArkkAngel007]

I remember thinking something similar to IT from seeing Shep being husk like and feeling like I made a huge mistake. It had nothing to do with how I felt about the quality of the ending. You don't get to tell me how I felt when I finished the game.

So very kindly keep your opinions centered solely about how you feel, not others. Ok, now to lighten it up:

I get the concern, though let's be honest: BioWare isn't going to shaft what is probably the majority of their player base if it were an IT-centric EC DLC.

The impression you gave me is that you're just trying a very veiled way of telling a group to shut up.. I agree with many that it shouldn't be forced on anyone, and that it is a theory, not a fact or absolute (not even close). I also agree that BioWare should stick to their guns and go with whatever they have if it includes something for all different playthroughs.  However, they have every right to discuss what they think/believe, as much as those who come on here calling for Blasto DLC.

I also think applying egoism to the group is very, very much a mistake. I don't see anything egoistic about that circle's behavior. Believing in something being correct, even in holding a debate, is not egoistic.

But seriously, this IT or Not? BS just needs to take a bullet. I know BioWare and mods don't want to shut these things down too much so that people don't start crying about being suppressed or whatever it is people whine about, but all the **** measuring that takes place on a constant basis gets irritating.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 18 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[Wabajakka]

HagarIshay wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

Ugh, OP, you forgot one thing when you posted this ironically...

Egoists... Remember who you may be trying to reason with here.

I don't think it's on purpuse. I figured that if people see the damage they can cause by making thier points, they will consider what i'm saying. I guess i'm being naive.

Not your fault. Honestly most of the good hardcore ITer's honestly are just holed up in the actual IT thread itself and hardly venture outside it. 

The hardcore ITer's you get outside of that thread are the ones who spam the **** out of your topic with images and links to their insignificant and sometimes irrelevant proofs that usually have nothing to do with what you're trying to say lol.

Don't get me wrong, (for the ITers out there) I love the IT and hope it's true, created my own theory based on it in fact. I just can't stand 80% of the people who follow it lol. That's the internet for you, though. 

Modifié par Orange Tee, 18 mai 2012 - 05:43 .

[Ageless Face]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I remember thinking something similar to IT from seeing Shep being husk like and feeling like I made a huge mistake. It had nothing to do with how I felt about the quality of the ending. You don't get to tell me how I felt when I finished the game.

So very kindly keep your opinions centered solely about how you feel, not others. Ok, now to lighten it up:

I get the concern, though let's be honest: BioWare isn't going to shaft what is probably the majority of their player base if it were an IT-centric EC DLC.

The impression you gave me is that you're just trying a very veiled way of telling a group to shut up.. I agree with many that it shouldn't be forced on anyone, and that it is a theory, not a fact or absolute (not even close). I also agree that BioWare should stick to their guns and go with whatever they have if it includes something for all different playthroughs.  However, they have every right to discuss what they think/believe, as much as those who come on here calling for Blasto DLC.

I also think applying egoism to the group is very, very much a mistake. I don't see anything egoistic about that circle's behavior. Believing in something being correct, even in holding a debate, is not egoistic.

But seriously, this IT or Not? BS just needs to take a bullet. I know BioWare and mods don't want to shut these things down too much so that people don't start crying about being suppressed or whatever it is people whine about, but all the **** measuring that takes place on a constant basis gets irritating.

I'm sorry if i made false assupmtion of how you got to the IT. I just based this on the comments i saw in the forums.

Saying why you think synthesis and control, and basing your sayings on  facts, that is not wrong. But it's not like that. You are basing your fact only on assupmtions, which none of them  has been proven in the game. And if BioWare will take the idea of IT, then people who have chosen Control and syntheis are playing it wrong, when there is no reason for them to. Why does our choices are wrose than yours? Because you decided it. So yes. I call that egoism.

[Cadence of the Planes]

OP: First of all, I'm not 'little' (kinda old, and kinda tall, and kinda heavy).

Secondly: Having my own opinion of the game doesn't make me an egoist. I think IT is a valid explanation, and you don't. I'm cool with that. I never said anything about my viewpoint being better than yours.


As to your assertion about a certain ending being "better" than the others, or "wrong", well that's all subjective, and we could argue for hours about what is 'better' than something else. but I'd rather not, because frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.