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[kumquats]

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm not bending it based on anything. My veiw on the ending is based on one concept...Don't trust the star child.

Yes, but leave the rest alone, they are not interpreting anything, they only have two eyes and cutscenes.

[Ageless Face]

KingZayd wrote...

No. IT isn't. It said that there was more to come, where we would see what happened after that choice. You can do wrong. There are still consequences for all the other choices you've made. There are no bad consequences for choosing to shoot TIM are there.

In fact, (unless Bioware comes up with something nobody's thought of) if IT isn't in the EC, then the game would be ruined for me.  We want different things from the EC. It seems unless Bioware has a solution nobody else has thought of, that one of us will be unhappy with the results. 
Maybe you should be more considerate? 

And that is why i'm asking from pro-IT to be cool down a bit with the hate to the other options. Since the majority today stands with the IT, there is a very high chance for it to be in the EC, or the EC being pro-destroy. I guess I could play with the EC with the IT in it, just not as it being against my choice, like you don't want to play without the IT. maybe every choice should lead to indoctrination, or if you had a low EMS then you should be indocrtinated. Not if you played the game to pefection and did everything that could be done.

One of the biggest complaints about the ending is that your choices don't matter. And if the IT is true, then this point will continue to stand. 

[estebanus]

estebanus wrote...

How about taking a look at the script made by Arian Dynas? He writes pretty well how you still can save the galaxy even if you chose synthesis or control!

Link: http://social.biowar.../index/12095313

Again, if you read this script, you will see that control and synthesis won't necessarily result in the galaxy being srewed.

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

How about taking a look at the script made by Arian Dynas? He writes pretty well how you still can save the galaxy even if you chose synthesis or control!

Link: http://social.biowar.../index/12095313

Again, if you read this script, you will see that control and synthesis won't necessarily result in the galaxy being srewed.

You do understand that Every choice in no matter what how much EMS you have  when choosing synthesis will result in Shepard killing Garrus and Liara, right?

You do understand that no matter what, you are being indoctrinated and Garrus shoots you when you choose control, right?

Maybe the galaxy is not being screwed, but Shepard's story is. One of the resons i chose my choice was because i wanted Shepard to have heroic death. But this script... i'm sorry to say, but that is not how i wanted my Shep's story to end in. 

Modifié par HagarIshay, 18 mai 2012 - 07:39 .

[dreman9999]

kumquats wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm not bending it based on anything. My veiw on the ending is based on one concept...Don't trust the star child.

Yes, but leave the rest alone, they are not interpreting anything, they only have two eyes and cutscenes.

Any perspective that trust the star child has less then 2 eyes....

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 mai 2012 - 07:54 .

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

How about taking a look at the script made by Arian Dynas? He writes pretty well how you still can save the galaxy even if you chose synthesis or control!

Link: http://social.biowar.../index/12095313

Again, if you read this script, you will see that control and synthesis won't necessarily result in the galaxy being srewed.

You do understand that Every choice in no matter what how much EMS you have  when choosing synthesis will result in Shepard killing Garrus and Liara, right?

You do understand that no matter what, you are being indoctrinated and Garrus shoots you when you choose control, right?

Maybe the galaxy is not being screwed, but Shepard's story is. One of the resons i chose my choice was because i wanted Shepard to have heroic death. But this script... i'm sorry to say, but that is not how i wanted my Shep's story to end in. 

Do you really trust everything you see after Shepard is cut down? Also, Liara is fine ...It's Garrus and Tali.

[Ecrulis]

My Problem with an ending like control is that if you pick it you are turning shep into a hypocrite, no matter how you play shep or what dialogue you pick, Shep argues that control is irresponsible and no one is ready for that power.

[ArkkAngel007]

I'm sorry, but I hardly see the "hate" for options that aren't IT.  Most ITers would take any option, so long as it solves the issues the current ending presents.  If not, then they will be no different than the BSNer who hates the ending and will move on when BioWare screws up the chance.  I see a lot of hate for ITers and pro-enders though, and it seems like that's perfectly ok, which is quite disgusting. Nor do I think the majority are for IT. The majority just want this mess sorted out and move on to either being comfortable with their purchase or leaving a disappointment behind them...

Again, this is seems to be a "I want this, so shut up" thread to cease discussion on the subject. There are ways for everyone's ending to be included in an IT centric ending. No, it may not end with sunshine and rainbows for Shepard him/herself, but at least there may be a degree at what he/she can accomplish depending on what you did, which is something a lot of people seem to want. He can go out heroically, even if it's tragically like Saren. If you really care that much for it, then stop telling people to not discuss their theories and lend your thoughts on how it could work the way you want it to (you said you do like the theory, just not how it seems it will exclude players).

I honestly don't care where it goes, so long as it gets sorted out. It's just a play thing...a time sink. An enjoyable one, but it really has no positive impact on my life outside of entertainment purposes.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 18 mai 2012 - 07:50 .

[Ageless Face]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I'm sorry, but I hardly see the "hate" for options that aren't IT.  Most ITers would take any option, so long as it solves the issues the current ending presents.  If not, then they will be no different than the BSNer who hates the ending and will move on when BioWare screws up the chance.  I see a lot of hate for ITers and pro-enders though, and it seems like that's perfectly ok, which is quite disgusting. Nor do I think the majority are for IT. The majority just want this mess sorted out and move on to either being comfortable with their purchase or leaving a disappointment behind them...

Again, this is seems to be a "I want this, so shut up" thread to cease discussion on the subject. There are ways for everyone's ending to be included in an IT centric ending. No, it may not end with sunshine and rainbows for Shepard him/herself, but at least there may be a degree at what he/she can accomplish depending on what you did, which is something a lot of people seem to want. He can go out heroically, even if it's tragically like Saren. If you really care that much for it, then stop telling people to not discuss their theories and lend your thoughts on how it could work the way you want it to (you said you do like the theory, just not how it seems it will exclude players).

I honestly don't care where it goes, so long as it gets sorted out. It's just a play thing...a time sink. An enjoyable one, but it really has no positive impact on my life outside of entertainment purposes.

I don't want people to shut up. I want them to know there are others out there. I am more of a pro-ender than a pro-IT, i admit it, so i won't say anything against myself. If anyone from the other side think the pro-enders are being unconsiderate, then by all means, i invite them to critisize. But like it or not, i don't say anything just because i'm bored (not only, anyway). I'm saying it because i think it needs to be said.

dreman9999 wrote...

]Do you really trust everything you see after Shepard is cut down? Also, Liara is fine ...It's Garrus and Tali.

Again i will say, i want my Shepard to die with dignety. Why do you need to make a choice you are probobaly not even going to take for your Sheprad just to make your theory true? 

And Tali dying instead of Liara is suppose to make me feel better about it?...

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I'm sorry, but I hardly see the "hate" for options that aren't IT.  Most ITers would take any option, so long as it solves the issues the current ending presents.  If not, then they will be no different than the BSNer who hates the ending and will move on when BioWare screws up the chance.  I see a lot of hate for ITers and pro-enders though, and it seems like that's perfectly ok, which is quite disgusting. Nor do I think the majority are for IT. The majority just want this mess sorted out and move on to either being comfortable with their purchase or leaving a disappointment behind them...

Again, this is seems to be a "I want this, so shut up" thread to cease discussion on the subject. There are ways for everyone's ending to be included in an IT centric ending. No, it may not end with sunshine and rainbows for Shepard him/herself, but at least there may be a degree at what he/she can accomplish depending on what you did, which is something a lot of people seem to want. He can go out heroically, even if it's tragically like Saren. If you really care that much for it, then stop telling people to not discuss their theories and lend your thoughts on how it could work the way you want it to (you said you do like the theory, just not how it seems it will exclude players).

I honestly don't care where it goes, so long as it gets sorted out. It's just a play thing...a time sink. An enjoyable one, but it really has no positive impact on my life outside of entertainment purposes.

I don't want people to shut up. I want them to know there are others out there. I am more of a pro-ender than a pro-IT, i admit it, so i won't say anything against myself. If anyone from the other side think the pro-enders are being unconsiderate, then by all means, i invite them to critisize. But like it or not, i don't say anything just because i'm bored (not only, anyway). I'm saying it because i think it needs to be said.

dreman9999 wrote...

]Do you really trust everything you see after Shepard is cut down? Also, Liara is fine ...It's Garrus and Tali.

Again i will say, i want my Shepard to die with dignety. Why do you need to make a choice you are probobaly not even going to take for your Sheprad just to make your theory true? 

And Tali dying instead of Liara is suppose to make me feel better about it?...

How is making a choice that has the possibility of giving the reapers more power then they had before a dignified death? You die leaving the reapers in controland leting use the crucible has they see fit...That's a dignified death?

[kookie28]

dreman9999 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

How about taking a look at the script made by Arian Dynas? He writes pretty well how you still can save the galaxy even if you chose synthesis or control!

Link: http://social.biowar.../index/12095313

Again, if you read this script, you will see that control and synthesis won't necessarily result in the galaxy being srewed.

You do understand that Every choice in no matter what how much EMS you have  when choosing synthesis will result in Shepard killing Garrus and Liara, right?

You do understand that no matter what, you are being indoctrinated and Garrus shoots you when you choose control, right?

Maybe the galaxy is not being screwed, but Shepard's story is. One of the resons i chose my choice was because i wanted Shepard to have heroic death. But this script... i'm sorry to say, but that is not how i wanted my Shep's story to end in. 

Do you really trust everything you see after Shepard is cut down? Also, Liara is fine ...It's Garrus and Tali.

[dreman9999]

kookie28 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

How about taking a look at the script made by Arian Dynas? He writes pretty well how you still can save the galaxy even if you chose synthesis or control!

Link: http://social.biowar.../index/12095313

Again, if you read this script, you will see that control and synthesis won't necessarily result in the galaxy being srewed.

You do understand that Every choice in no matter what how much EMS you have  when choosing synthesis will result in Shepard killing Garrus and Liara, right?

You do understand that no matter what, you are being indoctrinated and Garrus shoots you when you choose control, right?

Maybe the galaxy is not being screwed, but Shepard's story is. One of the resons i chose my choice was because i wanted Shepard to have heroic death. But this script... i'm sorry to say, but that is not how i wanted my Shep's story to end in. 

Do you really trust everything you see after Shepard is cut down? Also, Liara is fine ...It's Garrus and Tali.

Nice to know that you you understood what I meant....Go hit those books.

[kookie28]

I firmly believe that as part of Harbinger's master plan to indocrinate Shepard, he indoctrinated Al Qaeda, a once peaceful organization, and used them to attack America from within.

The facts are there, you people have clearly misinterpreted the evidence.

3/6/12 TRUTH

Modifié par kookie28, 18 mai 2012 - 08:31 .

[dreman9999]

kookie28 wrote...

I firmly believe that as part of Harbinger's master plan to indocrinate Shepard, he indoctrinated Al Qaeda, a once peaceful organization, and used them to attack America from within.

The facts are there, you people have clearly misinterpreted the evidence.

3/6/12 TRUTH

..Another IT beleiver grasping for straws....I need the devs of this universe or a programing code of this world that stated indoctrination to prove that Al Qaeda was indoctriantied by Harbinger...

[balance5050]

dreman9999 wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I firmly believe that as part of Harbinger's master plan to indocrinate Shepard, he indoctrinated Al Qaeda, a once peaceful organization, and used them to attack America from within.

The facts are there, you people have clearly misinterpreted the evidence.

3/6/12 TRUTH

..Another IT beleiver grasping for straws....I need the devs of this universe or a programing code of this world that stated indoctrination to prove that Al Qaeda was indoctriantied by Harbinger...

And what they don't tell you Harbinger is himself indoctrinated by plankton.

 

Modifié par balance5050, 18 mai 2012 - 08:49 .

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

How is making a choice that has the possibility of giving the reapers more power then they had before a dignified death? You die leaving the reapers in controland leting use the crucible has they see fit...That's a dignified death?

Shepard will die a dignifying death by the assumption that it is possible for a ghost to control machines, and thus saving everyone except him/herself.
Shepard will die a dignifying death by the assumption it's possible making a new DNA to stop diversity, a technolygy that is being given by a ghost that can control machines.
Shepard will die a dignifying death by the assumption the reapers will die by shooting the pod, and then letting organics have their own free will, even if all the synthetics will be gone, and even if s/he will not leave to tell the tale.

Every end can be looked as honorable. There is no reason to look at only one thing as being the correct choice, or the only one to make sense (or no sense at all). RPG Games are funny that way.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 18 mai 2012 - 09:13 .

[BatmanTurian]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is making a choice that has the possibility of giving the reapers more power then they had before a dignified death? You die leaving the reapers in controland leting use the crucible has they see fit...That's a dignified death?

Shepard will die a dignifying death by the assumption that it is possible for a ghost to control machines, and thus saving everyone except him/herself.
Shepard will die a dignifying death by the assumption it's possible making a new DNA to stop diversity, a technolygy that is being given by a ghost that can control machines.
Shepard will die a dignifying death by the assumption the reapers will die by shooting the pod, and then letting organics have their own free will, even if all the synthetics will be gone, and even if s/he will not leave to tell the tale.

Every end can be looked as honorable. There is no reason to look at only one thing as being the correct choice, or the only one to make sense (or no sense at all). RPG Games are funny that way.

While I agree that both interpretations are valid, what you really have to understand is that most people fall into one of two camps: Pessimist-Optimist, Trust the Starchild or Don't, The endings are real or they are not, I'm fine with an incomplete game or not, believe Bioware is capable of writing great stories or that they are the shi**iest writers in the game industry today.

Everybody is split between all of those issues. Once you understand the psychological divide, you can understand the other person's point of view, which is why I have come to respect the Literal interpretation even if I don't agree with it.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 18 mai 2012 - 10:08 .

[estebanus]

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

How about taking a look at the script made by Arian Dynas? He writes pretty well how you still can save the galaxy even if you chose synthesis or control!

Link: http://social.biowar.../index/12095313

Again, if you read this script, you will see that control and synthesis won't necessarily result in the galaxy being srewed.

You do understand that Every choice in no matter what how much EMS you have  when choosing synthesis will result in Shepard killing Garrus and Liara, right?

You do understand that no matter what, you are being indoctrinated and Garrus shoots you when you choose control, right?

Maybe the galaxy is not being screwed, but Shepard's story is. One of the resons i chose my choice was because i wanted Shepard to have heroic death. But this script... i'm sorry to say, but that is not how i wanted my Shep's story to end in. 

I still don't see how "your choices matter" is the same as "every goddamn choice you made is the damn right one."

Look,
you say you want Shepard to have an heroic death, right? Well, if that
is the case, then control is not for you, even if taken at face-value.

You want to know why?

Because you're dead. And you died for nothing.

Shepard cannot control the reapers, because s/he is dead. Get it?

If Shepard can control the reapers, then s/he is not dead, s/he has been doomed to eternal existence. Doesn't this also screw over Shepard's storyline?

In the case of the script, Shepard can still save the galaxy at the cost of his/her own life. But only if you made the right choices. If you din't then you die. And you know what? You deserve it.

You fell under the reapers' spell. At least you can still save the galaxy, although be it at the cost of your own life.

How is this not a heroic death? Because it's one of your friends that kills you? Well, if that's the case, I don't think that you understand the premise of what a heroic death actually is. It is when you sacrifice yourself to save someone else. If your sacrifice makes the difference between life and death everywhere.

THAT is what a heroic death is.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is making a choice that has the possibility of giving the reapers more power then they had before a dignified death? You die leaving the reapers in controland leting use the crucible has they see fit...That's a dignified death?

Shepard will die a dignifying death by the assumption that it is possible for a ghost to control machines, and thus saving everyone except him/herself.
Shepard will die a dignifying death by the assumption it's possible making a new DNA to stop diversity, a technolygy that is being given by a ghost that can control machines.
Shepard will die a dignifying death by the assumption the reapers will die by shooting the pod, and then letting organics have their own free will, even if all the synthetics will be gone, and even if s/he will not leave to tell the tale.

Every end can be looked as honorable. There is no reason to look at only one thing as being the correct choice, or the only one to make sense (or no sense at all). RPG Games are funny that way.

HA...BS.....Your using the concept of good intentions? That can be said about  destroy. And good intention don't make making the wrong choce better any way. The spanish iqunsiston was built on the concept of good intentions, too.

[leeboi2]

The title of this thread makes no sense, just putting that out there.

[estebanus]

leeboi2 wrote...

The title of this thread makes no sense, just putting that out there.

I know.

[Lookout1390]

So let me get this straight...are some people getting upset that IT is dictating that Destroy is the only right option (even though technically it is), and that people who picked Synthesis/Control are screwed?

In those 2 endings, Reapers continue to exist, yet Shepard is vaporized. Logical assumption from the last 100 hours of gameplay suggest that you failed....BECAUSE you gave into what they wanted.

An enemy presents you with 3 options where 1 actually defeats them, and the other 2 allows their continued existence and you die.

I don't see the problem here.

[Ageless Face]

Lookout1390 wrote...

So let me get this straight...are some people getting upset that IT is dictating that Destroy is the only right option (even though technically it is), and that people who picked Synthesis/Control are screwed?

In those 2 endings, Reapers continue to exist, yet Shepard is vaporized. Logical assumption from the last 100 hours of gameplay suggest that you failed....BECAUSE you gave into what they wanted.

An enemy presents you with 3 options where 1 actually defeats them, and the other 2 allows their continued existence and you die.

I don't see the problem here.

You don't see the problem because you will never choose control or synthesis. Why would you care if it will be impossible to end the game with those options, when you will be choosing to destroy? 

Lets go by the logic of Synthesis and control are the means to work with a reaper. What the reapers wanted is to kill organics to save them. Destroy option kill synthetics to save organics. Means you pretty much have the same idea as the catalyst, only the oppisite side is going to die. So it means, that even if you kill the reapers, you are agreeing with the catalyst's logic: One side has to die for the galaxy to continue. How is that better than working with the reaper and not even using their methods?

dreman9999 wrote... 
HA...BS.....Your using the concept of good intentions? That can be said about  destroy. And good intention don't make making the wrong choce better any way. The spanish iqunsiston was built on the concept of good intentions, too.

Not only good intentions, but by what the catalyst is saying. You claim he is lying, but the end of the game was an end. By what we know, BioWare had no intentions of doing a DLC based on the ending, before the EC. If they did they sold an incomplete game. 

We know only what the catalyst is telling us. You believe was is lying? Believe how much you want. But the EC should be balanced to all the choices. If the catalyst was lying, he lied about everything. If he is not, we should have our end as facts.

[BigGuy28]

leeboi2 wrote...

The title of this thread makes no sense, just putting that out there.

It doesn't have to make sense! Indoctrination!

[balance5050]

BigGuy28 wrote...

leeboi2 wrote...

The title of this thread makes no sense, just putting that out there.

It doesn't have to make sense! Indoctrination!