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[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Lizardviking wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

jijeebo wrote...
We are LOSING the battle regardless of your EMS... The reapers have all the time in the world either way..


I told you this yesterday and you completely blanked me. <_<

One thing I also have to ask about.

If the endings are indoctrination attempts then why does the star child in some cases not offer synthesis and control? Shouldn't these options always be open?

I believe the standard explanation for that is "You've done such a bad job that you wouldn't be able to survive even if you did 'wake up.'"

So basicly a "Shepard bleeds out no matter what"?

Pretty much.

[FatalX7.0]

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 19 mai 2012 - 03:56 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

*comes back*

He also says in destroy, "Even you are partly synthetic".

Which means that in destroy, there is also "a chance" that you will die. Why does that only matter in the other two endings, then?

*stays*

So what, Shepard know there is a chance he will die in this war.  Also, when you pick destory with High ems....He lives anyway.

So instead of sacrificing his own life to solve the problem, he commits genocide and kills his synthetic friend.

You think Shepard was picking he choice because he new he live. He had no clue...Also, the geth and EDI already said they rather die the die then be slaves tot he reapers.....

ALTERNATE EDI AFTER HORIZON



GETH PRIME - THERE WILL BE NO MORE COMPROMISE WITH THE OLD MACHINES

That is what the other choices can do.....So no I'm not going to have them brain washed so they can live.

Unless you have proof that control or synthesis actually "brainwashes" them, I'd ask you to refrain from using that to form the basis of your argument. Or at least don't try to sell it as the only possible interpretation.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Their is a difference between being in the process of indoctrination and being indoctrianted. being in the process ofindoctrination mean you still can resist indoctrination.....I guess you missed that point. 
Earth easily can still be saved.
2.I did bring up destorys flaults the moment I said everything after Shepard is cut down can be a a hallucination. There more pro's to destory then cons compared to the other choices. Letting the reaper implant you when they have a history of controling people with implants is a con I hope you know.

And this has nothing to do with IT. I'm not even arguing it. It all about you giving so muchtrust to a guy who just said he controls the reapers...That's like being part of allied forcesand WW2 and trusting Hitler.

1. Anderson wasn't even that long near the reapers. No more than anyone else on Earth. How the hell do you assume he is indoctrinated?!?!?

2. no, YOU think there are more pros to destroy than to synthesis or control. I don't think that way. I see equal amounts of cons and pros on any side, but i still perfer my choice better, because the cons and pros suit my ideals more.

You see it as trusting Hitler. That is becasue you are comparing the catalyst to organics. But the catalyst is not! He is a synthetic life. His mind is not build by the emotions organics have. He sees things more with logic (messed up as it is), and less by feelings. That is why he can consider other options aside from "his solution", the reapers. Because there can now be other solutions, thanks to the crucible. 

1. Yes, he was...For the entirity of ME3, he has been near reaper tech. He has a chance if being indoctrianted as anyone who is constantly near reaper tech.
2.But there is more pros to destory then synthesis or control. 


Also, my point with thestar childisthathis past actions point to not trusting him....Him being an AI just means he has a different morality then we do. That still doesn't mean we can trust it.

[Applepie_Svk]

[quote]HagarIshay wrote...

  Do you remember, pro-IT, why you thought about the indoctrnation theory in the first place? you were angry/sad/confused/lost becacuse of the ending. Don't get me wrong, I think the IT is quite brilliant. The problem is, If BioWare is going to make the IT, or take ideas from it to the EC, it's going to leave fans who didn't choose the destroy option at the same place you were, even worse if they don't like the ending as it is now. 
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If is IT true than it is inevitable to create one possibile ending, I´ll explain:
There was a lot of times said that ME3 is the end of Sheppard´s story not of ME, from every possibile ending could lead to entire different space - for completly different game:

1. Control - humanity could lead to role of peacemaker or usurper deppends on personality of Sheppard
All deciosions which has been made for last instalment could change path of next events after defeating the Reapers, as Tuchanka - Extinction or Regrowth, Rannoch - Genocide or Harmony, Rachnii - survival, damnation - mad, peacefull. Still there was said by Catalyst you cannot control something which is already controling you, if it is true than he is manipulating you in the way that you have a chance to seize power is best chance for everyone.

2. Merge - it would lead to different world, galaxy - something like a MATRIX with merge of life all become one and the one become all, than there will be no reasons for continuing of Mass Effect story because we all reach the apex of our evolution singularity. There will be no reason for fight betwen ourself... This is realy mess not possibile for another conflict, another story.

3. Yes it is only possibile outcome if IT is true - You destroyed Reapers and space is shaping by your events. It´s better this way for contineu of Mass Effect story - Sheppard killed the Reapers and galaxy still fighting with outcomes of your decisions. If there will be next instalment than this is the reason why we need this ending.



[quote] HagarIshay wrote... 
It's not just the IT, but it did start mostly from there. Fans who wanted a happy ending, to have Shepard alive and make everyone live happily ever after. that's OK. But because you wanted you choice to be the right one, you practically screwed the people who chose a different option. By saying Shepard is indoctrinated, or the Catalyst was lying, you said that we played it wrong. And i don't want this statement to be true.
[/quote] 

No they are not, if you played ME2 or DA:O than you know there was a lot of endings - self-sacrifice, sacrifice of others, survival all depends on your decision so if you want to see all die with heroics deaths on Suidcide mission you could do it, same as with DA:O - all depend on your choice. If you want sad ending you can play destroy ending with low EMS and you get it - but you save galaxy atleast. 

[quote] HagarIshay wrote... 
 [/quote] 
What about the fans who wanted to control an army of machines? What about the fans who wanted to create a new DNA? Hell, some want Shepard to have a noble and sad death! Why for you to have a happy ending of your own, others can't get their sort of happy ending? The point of the final choice is for the player to decide what will happen. There is no right choice exept what you believe is right. Mass Effect is a game of Moral choices. Not tactics.
[/quote] 

As I said, but if you want that fine but you never know when someone like a Xen find a way to screw your OS - The Sheppdows or Shepnux in mainframe of Reapers and start another crussade.

[quote] HagarIshay wrote...  
Resentment to the choices of control or synthesis because of a moral question, that I will understand. But most of the time it doesn't seem this way. You simply dissmissing the choices to make your points the correct ones. And that is wrong.
[/quote]  

We are not, but fact is that with a Synthesis you will merge whole galaxy to one sunshine land and with a control as I already said...

[quote] HagarIshay wrote...   
If BioWare planned the IT from the start, then I guess I can't do anything about it. But let's be real: If BioWare will do the EC based on the IT, it wil be because the fans asked for it. What concren me the most, is because so many fans wants the destroy ending to be the right choice, BioWare will answer they're demands and will make the destroy option as the "good choice", while leaving the other fans aside. You may think I am overreacting, but I don't believe I am. Mass Effect 3, as good game as it is, is a game for what the majority of people in the BSN forums thought was best to place in. Casey Hudson admitted it, if I remember corrently. And many times in the game it was proven to be true.
[/quote]  

Disagree, whole ME1 and 2 give certain lines or basement for story and if IT is false than we all are screwed by the Catalyst which destroyed previous basement. Fans asked for ending which make a sense and not for ending which made a plothole with size of Texas. All these basics from ME1 were completly errased and throwed to bin, now we have a children which saying SCREW YOU SHEPP YOU HAVE A GOOD CHOICE ...

[quote] HagarIshay wrote...   
I'm asking from the Pro-IT, who have much power in these forums, to be more considerate of other fans, not just the majority and yourself. Because the EC is the chance for BioWare to prove themselves for many, many fans. I'm going to play the EC when it comes out, because i'm also not happy with certain things in the ending. Maybe I stand alone in this opinion, but the EC becoming a Pro-destroy, an option i really don't want my game to end in, will make the end a dissapointment for me much more than it is now.
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We never declined the other outcomes and yet BioWare already said that this will be clarrification and not re-creation. So there is no reason for this claim which saying I HATE YO IT-ers COZ YOU WANT REPLACE MY SPACE MAGIC ENDING. And about Pro-destroy - Yes it is more than possibile if IT is true - ańd if in the future they are planning next MASS EFFECT tittle than destroy is the only option.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 19 mai 2012 - 03:57 .

[dreman9999]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

*comes back*

He also says in destroy, "Even you are partly synthetic".

Which means that in destroy, there is also "a chance" that you will die. Why does that only matter in the other two endings, then?

*stays*

So what, Shepard know there is a chance he will die in this war.  Also, when you pick destory with High ems....He lives anyway.

So instead of sacrificing his own life to solve the problem, he commits genocide and kills his synthetic friend.

You think Shepard was picking he choice because he new he live. He had no clue...Also, the geth and EDI already said they rather die the die then be slaves tot he reapers.....

ALTERNATE EDI AFTER HORIZON



GETH PRIME - THERE WILL BE NO MORE COMPROMISE WITH THE OLD MACHINES

That is what the other choices can do.....So no I'm not going to have them brain washed so they can live.

Unless you have proof that control or synthesis actually "brainwashes" them, I'd ask you to refrain from using that to form the basis of your argument. Or at least don't try to sell it as the only possible interpretation.

I have every action ofthe reapers in the lore and story to back me on this. I can poit to Saren and his implants on synthesis. Legion's loyalty mission. Everything that happened on rennoch. Look at the events ofthe story and you'll see. And understand what comment like "You will die. You will control usebut lose everything you have " means.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

*comes back*

He also says in destroy, "Even you are partly synthetic".

Which means that in destroy, there is also "a chance" that you will die. Why does that only matter in the other two endings, then?

*stays*

So what, Shepard know there is a chance he will die in this war.  Also, when you pick destory with High ems....He lives anyway.

So instead of sacrificing his own life to solve the problem, he commits genocide and kills his synthetic friend.

You think Shepard was picking he choice because he new he live. He had no clue...Also, the geth and EDI already said they rather die the die then be slaves tot he reapers.....

ALTERNATE EDI AFTER HORIZON



GETH PRIME - THERE WILL BE NO MORE COMPROMISE WITH THE OLD MACHINES

That is what the other choices can do.....So no I'm not going to have them brain washed so they can live.

Unless you have proof that control or synthesis actually "brainwashes" them, I'd ask you to refrain from using that to form the basis of your argument. Or at least don't try to sell it as the only possible interpretation.

I have every action ofthe reapers in the lore and story to back me on this. I can poit to Saren and his implants on synthesis. Legion's loyalty mission. Everything that happened on rennoch. Look at the events ofthe story and you'll see. And understand what comment like "You will die. You will control usebut lose everything you have " means.

We're talking about the actions of Shepard here. He's the one in control now, and in Synthesis the Reapers have no reason to stick around because the problem's been solved. And that comment is completely open to interpretation. He could just as easily be talking about Shepard's mortal body as he could his mind.

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Control allows for the havesting cycle to continue...That's it's problem. There is a look whole in the explineation of control....

 "You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 mai 2012 - 04:04 .

[dreman9999]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

*comes back*

He also says in destroy, "Even you are partly synthetic".

Which means that in destroy, there is also "a chance" that you will die. Why does that only matter in the other two endings, then?

*stays*

So what, Shepard know there is a chance he will die in this war.  Also, when you pick destory with High ems....He lives anyway.

So instead of sacrificing his own life to solve the problem, he commits genocide and kills his synthetic friend.

You think Shepard was picking he choice because he new he live. He had no clue...Also, the geth and EDI already said they rather die the die then be slaves tot he reapers.....

ALTERNATE EDI AFTER HORIZON



GETH PRIME - THERE WILL BE NO MORE COMPROMISE WITH THE OLD MACHINES

That is what the other choices can do.....So no I'm not going to have them brain washed so they can live.

Unless you have proof that control or synthesis actually "brainwashes" them, I'd ask you to refrain from using that to form the basis of your argument. Or at least don't try to sell it as the only possible interpretation.

I have every action ofthe reapers in the lore and story to back me on this. I can poit to Saren and his implants on synthesis. Legion's loyalty mission. Everything that happened on rennoch. Look at the events ofthe story and you'll see. And understand what comment like "You will die. You will control usebut lose everything you have " means.

We're talking about the actions of Shepard here. He's the one in control now, and in Synthesis the Reapers have no reason to stick around because the problem's been solved. And that comment is completely open to interpretation. He could just as easily be talking about Shepard's mortal body as he could his mind.

"You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

Also, with sysnthesis, of couse the reaper left, you gave them an easier way to impose there will on organics. They don't need to havest any more because they areusing something that does what they want anyway.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 mai 2012 - 04:07 .

[Galifreya]

You finally fixed your thread title. That's good. It was driving me nuts.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


We are LOSING the battle regardless of your EMS... The reapers have all the time in the world either way..


I told you this yesterday and you completely blanked me. <_<

It not a matter of if we arelosing...It's which ems level we lose the fastest. Going in we all knew we were going to lose in a straigh fight. But in high ems, the allied fleet have more ships, is more flexible, and last much longer. Being that they're are more flexible and have more ships....A counter attack can be planned and made on the conduit again. It's not Shepard that is key to the reapers losing...It's the crucible...Anyone can activate it. So even with Harbinger guading the conduit, with ground attack and air support, he can't stop every one from entering.  Someone will get thtough. That means manipulating Shepard  has a time limit at High ems. At low ems  their is not time limit..

The ground team is in the same condition regardless of your EMS iirc, and all other forces are occupied in the battle above.

Where is this magic hidden ground squad that High EMS provides us that Harbinger is so worried about that he ramps up the indoctrination so much?

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Control allows for the havesting cycle to continue...That's it's problem. There is a look whole in the explineation of control....

 "You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

No, control does not continue the cycle. After he explains all the choicces he says "relasing the energy of the crucible will cuase the cycle to end."

Modifié par Leonardo the Magnificent, 19 mai 2012 - 04:06 .

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...


You think Shepard was picking he choice because he new he live. He had no clue...Also, the geth and EDI already said they rather die the die then be slaves tot he reapers.....


That is what the other choices can do.....So no I'm not going to have them brain washed so they can live.

And again you make the assumption control and synthesis means slavery.

Also, Synthesis will make the synthetics more organic-like. EDI seems to have that facination. Esspcially becasue of Joker. I doubt she will see this as slavery.

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Yes, he was...For the entirity of ME3, he has been near reaper tech. He has a chance if being indoctrianted as anyone who is constantly near reaper tech.
2.But there is more pros to destory then synthesis or control. 


Also, my point with thestar childisthathis past actions point to not trusting him....Him being an AI just means he has a different morality then we do. That still doesn't mean we can trust it.

 

1. What reaper tech? 

2. As much as I appreciate you bringing fan- made videos, which were made by pro-destroy fans who don't see it from a natural view point, I don't want to see them. I want to hear YOUR opinion.

That's also doesn't mean we can't trust him. How do we know he is even capable of lying? or deception? The geth clearly don't seem to have that sort of thought. they self defending themselves. They didn't come to kill the quarians for revenge. They do things by logic. Who is to say the catalyst is different?

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


We are LOSING the battle regardless of your EMS... The reapers have all the time in the world either way..


I told you this yesterday and you completely blanked me. <_<

It not a matter of if we arelosing...It's which ems level we lose the fastest. Going in we all knew we were going to lose in a straigh fight. But in high ems, the allied fleet have more ships, is more flexible, and last much longer. Being that they're are more flexible and have more ships....A counter attack can be planned and made on the conduit again. It's not Shepard that is key to the reapers losing...It's the crucible...Anyone can activate it. So even with Harbinger guading the conduit, with ground attack and air support, he can't stop every one from entering.  Someone will get thtough. That means manipulating Shepard  has a time limit at High ems. At low ems  their is not time limit..

The ground team is in the same condition regardless of your EMS iirc, and all other forces are occupied in the battle above.

Where is this magic hidden ground squad that High EMS provides us that Harbinger is so worried about that he ramps up the indoctrination so much?

At High ems...That ground teamand be refilled. At low ems, it can't. Hammer was just the group going to the conduit, not the entire ground forces.

[FatalX7.0]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Control allows for the havesting cycle to continue...That's it's problem. There is a look whole in the explineation of control....

 "You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

No, control does not continue the cycle. After he explains all the choicces he says "relasing the energy of the crucible will cuase the cycle to end."

Oh, thankies.

Saved me from having to say it.

[dreman9999]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Control allows for the havesting cycle to continue...That's it's problem. There is a look whole in the explineation of control....

 "You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

No, control does not continue the cycle. After he explains all the choicces he says "relasing the energy of the crucible will cuase the cycle to end."

He means this cycle....Notice he used a singular pharse...Not plural.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 mai 2012 - 04:10 .

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Control allows for the havesting cycle to continue...That's it's problem. There is a look whole in the explineation of control....

 "You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

No, control does not continue the cycle. After he explains all the choicces he says "relasing the energy of the crucible will cuase the cycle to end."

Oh, thankies.

Saved me from having to say it.

He means this cycle....Notice he used a singular pharse...Not plural.

[FatalX7.0]

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Control allows for the havesting cycle to continue...That's it's problem. There is a look whole in the explineation of control....

 "You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

No, control does not continue the cycle. After he explains all the choicces he says "relasing the energy of the crucible will cuase the cycle to end."

He means this cycle....Notice he used asingular pharse...Not plural.

Wh...

What..?


Oh mother of god, stop replying to multiple posts with the same damn thing.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 19 mai 2012 - 04:10 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

*comes back*

He also says in destroy, "Even you are partly synthetic".

Which means that in destroy, there is also "a chance" that you will die. Why does that only matter in the other two endings, then?

*stays*

So what, Shepard know there is a chance he will die in this war.  Also, when you pick destory with High ems....He lives anyway.

So instead of sacrificing his own life to solve the problem, he commits genocide and kills his synthetic friend.

You think Shepard was picking he choice because he new he live. He had no clue...Also, the geth and EDI already said they rather die the die then be slaves tot he reapers.....

ALTERNATE EDI AFTER HORIZON



GETH PRIME - THERE WILL BE NO MORE COMPROMISE WITH THE OLD MACHINES

That is what the other choices can do.....So no I'm not going to have them brain washed so they can live.

Unless you have proof that control or synthesis actually "brainwashes" them, I'd ask you to refrain from using that to form the basis of your argument. Or at least don't try to sell it as the only possible interpretation.

I have every action ofthe reapers in the lore and story to back me on this. I can poit to Saren and his implants on synthesis. Legion's loyalty mission. Everything that happened on rennoch. Look at the events ofthe story and you'll see. And understand what comment like "You will die. You will control usebut lose everything you have " means.

We're talking about the actions of Shepard here. He's the one in control now, and in Synthesis the Reapers have no reason to stick around because the problem's been solved. And that comment is completely open to interpretation. He could just as easily be talking about Shepard's mortal body as he could his mind.

"You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

Also, with sysnthesis, of couse the reaper left, you gave them an easier way to impose there will on organics. They don't need to havest any more because they areusing something that does what they want anyway.

If Shepard were to lose his memory and morality, he wouldn't be Shepard anymore. That's not what he has, that's who he is.

And how are the Reapers imposing their will upon organics? There are no more organics. They wouldn't need to harvest anymore because there's no more risk of a synthetic imposed omnicide, not becuase they want a horde of organic slaves, which would be pointless anyway, seeing as how they can already make those en masse.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


We are LOSING the battle regardless of your EMS... The reapers have all the time in the world either way..


I told you this yesterday and you completely blanked me. <_<

It not a matter of if we arelosing...It's which ems level we lose the fastest. Going in we all knew we were going to lose in a straigh fight. But in high ems, the allied fleet have more ships, is more flexible, and last much longer. Being that they're are more flexible and have more ships....A counter attack can be planned and made on the conduit again. It's not Shepard that is key to the reapers losing...It's the crucible...Anyone can activate it. So even with Harbinger guading the conduit, with ground attack and air support, he can't stop every one from entering.  Someone will get thtough. That means manipulating Shepard  has a time limit at High ems. At low ems  their is not time limit..

The ground team is in the same condition regardless of your EMS iirc, and all other forces are occupied in the battle above.

Where is this magic hidden ground squad that High EMS provides us that Harbinger is so worried about that he ramps up the indoctrination so much?

At High ems...That ground teamand be refilled. At low ems, it can't. Hammer was just the group going to the conduit, not the entire ground forces.

All those ground forces are busy being owned by all the reapers that are everywhere. High EMS means we're holding out longer, not that we have troops who can ditch their location and take a stroll towards the Conduit.


Either way, the Crucible won't last long enough for a second team to have a run at it, so Harbinger still doesn't have anything to worry about time wise.

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Control allows for the havesting cycle to continue...That's it's problem. There is a look whole in the explineation of control....

 "You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

No, control does not continue the cycle. After he explains all the choicces he says "relasing the energy of the crucible will cuase the cycle to end."

He means this cycle....Notice he used asingular pharse...Not plural.

Wh...

What..?

the term as cycle is use plural in the series. There is more then one....Javik had his..The the races before him had theres. You Shepard has his. If it was all the furture cycles ending, the star child would use a plural phrase...cycles. He used singular.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Control allows for the havesting cycle to continue...That's it's problem. There is a look whole in the explineation of control....

 "You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

No, control does not continue the cycle. After he explains all the choicces he says "relasing the energy of the crucible will cuase the cycle to end."

He means this cycle....Notice he used asingular pharse...Not plural.

Wh...

What..?


Oh mother of god, stop replying to multiple posts with the same damn thing.

Does he not understand what a cycle is?

[FatalX7.0]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Control allows for the havesting cycle to continue...That's it's problem. There is a look whole in the explineation of control....

 "You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

No, control does not continue the cycle. After he explains all the choicces he says "relasing the energy of the crucible will cuase the cycle to end."

He means this cycle....Notice he used asingular pharse...Not plural.

Wh...

What..?


Oh mother of god, stop replying to multiple posts with the same damn thing.

Does he not understand what a cycle is?

And looking at what he previously said, I don't know where to begin.

[dreman9999]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

*comes back*

He also says in destroy, "Even you are partly synthetic".

Which means that in destroy, there is also "a chance" that you will die. Why does that only matter in the other two endings, then?

*stays*

So what, Shepard know there is a chance he will die in this war.  Also, when you pick destory with High ems....He lives anyway.

So instead of sacrificing his own life to solve the problem, he commits genocide and kills his synthetic friend.

You think Shepard was picking he choice because he new he live. He had no clue...Also, the geth and EDI already said they rather die the die then be slaves tot he reapers.....

ALTERNATE EDI AFTER HORIZON



GETH PRIME - THERE WILL BE NO MORE COMPROMISE WITH THE OLD MACHINES

That is what the other choices can do.....So no I'm not going to have them brain washed so they can live.

Unless you have proof that control or synthesis actually "brainwashes" them, I'd ask you to refrain from using that to form the basis of your argument. Or at least don't try to sell it as the only possible interpretation.

I have every action ofthe reapers in the lore and story to back me on this. I can poit to Saren and his implants on synthesis. Legion's loyalty mission. Everything that happened on rennoch. Look at the events ofthe story and you'll see. And understand what comment like "You will die. You will control usebut lose everything you have " means.

We're talking about the actions of Shepard here. He's the one in control now, and in Synthesis the Reapers have no reason to stick around because the problem's been solved. And that comment is completely open to interpretation. He could just as easily be talking about Shepard's mortal body as he could his mind.

"You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

Also, with sysnthesis, of couse the reaper left, you gave them an easier way to impose there will on organics. They don't need to havest any more because they areusing something that does what they want anyway.

If Shepard were to lose his memory and morality, he wouldn't be Shepard anymore. That's not what he has, that's who he is.

And how are the Reapers imposing their will upon organics? There are no more organics. They wouldn't need to harvest anymore because there's no more risk of a synthetic imposed omnicide, not becuase they want a horde of organic slaves, which would be pointless anyway, seeing as how they can already make those en masse.

1. That's what "You will die" and 'Lose everything you have" means.

2. You don't see it. The entire thing theyare dois about, as harbinger said it" Bring organic life to acendence".
The reaper have been saying they have are uplifting organics since ME2. There reasons for doing it is to stopthe organic/synthetic conflict but the way they are doingit is advancing organic life to a point they no longer think like an organic. They havest organics and making them into what reapers think are the pinical of evoletion, a reaper. This is imposing their will on organics because the reapers are doingthis with ou asking organics ifthey want this. They invade and force this on organics...This is impose an ideal, concept and state of life....Think how the spanish imposed them selves on the indians and you'll getit.

[dreman9999]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Control and/or synthesis don't brainwash your friends.

Synthesis might, and even then it would be a little bit, but control sure doesn't.

And by "Synthesis might", it might alter their personality a bit, at least for organics.

Control allows for the havesting cycle to continue...That's it's problem. There is a look whole in the explineation of control....

 "You will die. You can control us but you'll lose everything you have."

No limit of what will be lose it given, just a vague statement. That opens the possiblity of memeory lossas well. That is not the best case senerio for control.....That open up the chance that would be Shepard reduated on his morals from scratchas ablank slate once uploadedinto the system.

No, control does not continue the cycle. After he explains all the choicces he says "relasing the energy of the crucible will cuase the cycle to end."

He means this cycle....Notice he used asingular pharse...Not plural.

Wh...

What..?


Oh mother of god, stop replying to multiple posts with the same damn thing.

Does he not understand what a cycle is?

Do you not understand that in the series cycle has been applied as multiple....What does Javik mena when he says..."In my cycle..."?
Also, when he says the cycle will end...He was purly taking about synthesis...
http://www.youtube.c...ZuSHpWwo#t=286s

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 mai 2012 - 04:27 .