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[SparkyRich]

It's not about living or dying - it's about "how the hell did I survive falling from orbit?!?"

[FatalX7.0]

First we talk about the cycle of harvesting and the harvesting ending, when apparently it doesn't end even though Star Brat said it ends, then it changes to the cycle of civilization ending and not ending. At the same time.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 19 mai 2012 - 04:26 .

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

First we talk about the cycle of harvesting and the harvesting ending, when apparently it doesn't end even though Star Brat said it ends, then it changes to the cycle of civilization ending and not ending. At the same time.

http://www.youtube.c...ZuSHpWwo#t=286s

Notice how he only talks about the cycle ending when he's purly talks abour synthesis...

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 mai 2012 - 04:30 .

[FatalX7.0]

Oh, Dreman.

No person has ever made me facepalm so much, and in such a short period of time. You should feel proud.

I'm not even going to bother.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 19 mai 2012 - 04:32 .

[Ageless Face]

Applepie_Svk wrote...
 

No they are not, if you played ME2 or DA:O than you know there was a lot of endings - self-sacrifice, sacrifice of others, survival all depends on your decision so if you want to see all die with heroics deaths on Suidcide mission you could do it, same as with DA:O - all depend on your choice. If you want sad ending you can play destroy ending with low EMS and you get it - but you save galaxy atleast. 
 

 

But what if I don't agree with the destroy ending? I't not just about having a bittersweet or tragic ending. It's about IT prevents me from making a choice in a RPG game. What is the point of role playing if you can't play the role of your character as you see fit? 

 

As I said, but if you want that fine but you never know when someone like a Xen find a way to screw your OS - The Sheppdows or Shepnux in mainframe of Reapers and start another crussade.
 

 

Well, if someone like Xen can screw things with synthetis or control, then someone like Xen can also recreate reapers. Different reasons, but will have the same outcome.

 
We are not, but fact is that with a Synthesis you will merge whole galaxy to one sunshine land and with a control as I already said...
 

 

Well, maybe you don't, but there are plenty of others who do. 

 

Disagree, whole ME1 and 2 give certain lines or basement for story and if IT is false than we all are screwed by the Catalyst which destroyed previous basement. Fans asked for ending which make a sense and not for ending which made a plothole with size of Texas. All these basics from ME1 were completly errased and throwed to bin, now we have a children which saying SCREW YOU SHEPP YOU HAVE A GOOD CHOICE ...
 

 

You also forget fans asked for your choices to have meaning in the end. How will the IT give us that, if there is only one option to win in?

 
We never declined the other outcomes and yet BioWare already said that this will be clarrification and not re-creation. So there is no reason for this claim which saying I HATE YO IT-ers COZ YOU WANT REPLACE MY SPACE MAGIC ENDING. And about Pro-destroy - Yes it is more than possibile if IT is true - ańd if in the future they are planning next MASS EFFECT tittle than destroy is the only option.

Everything can be changed. Even if it will be only clarifacation, it can still put the other choices in a bad way and destroy option as the fairytale end.  

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh, Dreman.

No person has ever made me facepalm so much, and in such a short period of time. You should feel proud.

You don' t understand the statement.."The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life..." means?

[BigGuy28]

As far as the endings go I think destroy is the only real win. Reaper boy makes it sound like the worst choice which makes sense because it means the destruction of the reapers. Choosing synthesis and control are made to sound better because the reapers live and the cycles will eventually continue.

Destroy makes sure the reaper problem is dealt with for good. Control and synthesis is exactly what they want you to do so you lose. When your enemy gives you three options and the one where they die is made to sound like the worst option and the ones where they live are made to sound like the better option, you choose the one where they die.

Of course this is just my opinion.

Modifié par BigGuy28, 19 mai 2012 - 04:37 .

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh, Dreman.

No person has ever made me facepalm so much, and in such a short period of time. You should feel proud.

I'm not even going to bother.

Figures.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

First we talk about the cycle of harvesting and the harvesting ending, when apparently it doesn't end even though Star Brat said it ends, then it changes to the cycle of civilization ending and not ending. At the same time.

http://www.youtube.c...ZuSHpWwo#t=286s

Notice how he only talks about the cycle ending when he's purly talks abour synthesis...

"Releasing the energy of the Crucible will end the cycle."

Yeah, right enough... Only for Synthesis.

[Ageless Face]

SparkyRich wrote...

It's not about living or dying - it's about "how the hell did I survive falling from orbit?!?"

A unicorn placed Shepard on his back and they rode into the sunset of earth and fell into rubble. I was sure everybody knew...

dreman9999 wrote...

You don' t understand the statement.."The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life..." means?

 

That everybody will leave happily ever after... No?

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...
 

No they are not, if you played ME2 or DA:O than you know there was a lot of endings - self-sacrifice, sacrifice of others, survival all depends on your decision so if you want to see all die with heroics deaths on Suidcide mission you could do it, same as with DA:O - all depend on your choice. If you want sad ending you can play destroy ending with low EMS and you get it - but you save galaxy atleast. 
 

 

But what if I don't agree with the destroy ending? I't not just about having a bittersweet or tragic ending. It's about IT prevents me from making a choice in a RPG game. What is the point of role playing if you can't play the role of your character as you see fit? 

 

As I said, but if you want that fine but you never know when someone like a Xen find a way to screw your OS - The Sheppdows or Shepnux in mainframe of Reapers and start another crussade.
 

 

Well, if someone like Xen can screw things with synthetis or control, then someone like Xen can also recreate reapers. Different reasons, but will have the same outcome.

 
We are not, but fact is that with a Synthesis you will merge whole galaxy to one sunshine land and with a control as I already said...
 

 

Well, maybe you don't, but there are plenty of others who do. 

 

Disagree, whole ME1 and 2 give certain lines or basement for story and if IT is false than we all are screwed by the Catalyst which destroyed previous basement. Fans asked for ending which make a sense and not for ending which made a plothole with size of Texas. All these basics from ME1 were completly errased and throwed to bin, now we have a children which saying SCREW YOU SHEPP YOU HAVE A GOOD CHOICE ...
 

 

You also forget fans asked for your choices to have meaning in the end. How will the IT give us that, if there is only one option to win in?

 
We never declined the other outcomes and yet BioWare already said that this will be clarrification and not re-creation. So there is no reason for this claim which saying I HATE YO IT-ers COZ YOU WANT REPLACE MY SPACE MAGIC ENDING. And about Pro-destroy - Yes it is more than possibile if IT is true - ańd if in the future they are planning next MASS EFFECT tittle than destroy is the only option.

Everything can be changed. Even if it will be only clarifacation, it can still put the other choices in a bad way and destroy option as the fairytale end.  

1. We already argued the even withoutIT...Destory is the best option.
2.That still means that the other two salutions solve nothing.
3.Did miss the fact the reapers can control organics with implats and you little thenm implant everyone?
4.It's a lost test of the players will.
5.And working with the reapers is a good change?

[balance5050]

HagarIshay wrote...

SparkyRich wrote...

It's not about living or dying - it's about "how the hell did I survive falling from orbit?!?"

A unicorn placed Shepard on his back and they rode into the sunset of earth and fell into rubble. I was sure everybody knew...

dreman9999 wrote...

You don' t understand the statement.."The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life..." means?

 

That everybody will leave happily ever after... No?

Good to have some comedic relief in here.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You don' t understand the statement.."The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life..." means?

 

That everybody will leave happily ever after... No?

It means everyone will live happily with reaper implant controling their every thought and will....Great choice. /sarcasum.

[FatalX7.0]

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh, Dreman.

No person has ever made me facepalm so much, and in such a short period of time. You should feel proud.

You don' t understand the statement.."The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life..." means?

You said "Control allows for the harvesting cycle to continue".

Control does not continue the cycle, Star Child says that the cycle will end.

Then you said that "He means this cycle".  ???

So, we started at the cycle of harvesting, the action of harvesting, and then you changed it to the cycle of civilizations.

And at this point, I'm not sure where to go next.

You said the harvesting doesn't stop, Star Child says the cycle stops.

Then you say that he means the current cycle of civilization? So, civilization stops? Or it doesn't stop?

Then you try and say something about future cycles that makes absolutely no sense.


And now here I am, wondering what the heck is going on.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 19 mai 2012 - 04:42 .

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

First we talk about the cycle of harvesting and the harvesting ending, when apparently it doesn't end even though Star Brat said it ends, then it changes to the cycle of civilization ending and not ending. At the same time.

http://www.youtube.c...ZuSHpWwo#t=286s

Notice how he only talks about the cycle ending when he's purly talks abour synthesis...

"Releasing the energy of the Crucible will end the cycle."

Yeah, right enough... Only for Synthesis.

Yet he goes on and tells me the the cycle will start agian if I pick destroy.....I wonder why?

My point is that the star child only gives a guarantee that the cycle will end with Synthesis. He guarentees that it will start again with destroy and he is never clear on that with control....Did you miss this?

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 mai 2012 - 04:44 .

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Oh, Dreman.

No person has ever made me facepalm so much, and in such a short period of time. You should feel proud.

You don' t understand the statement.."The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life..." means?

You said "Control allows for the harvesting cycle to continue".

Control does not continue the cycle, Star Child says that the cycle will end.

Then you said that "He means this cycle".  ???

So, we started at the cycle of harvesting, the action of harvesting, and then you changed it to the cycle of civilizations.

And at this point, I'm not sure where to go next.

You said the harvesting doesn't stop, Star Child says the cycle stops.

Then you say that he means the current cycle of civilization? So, civilization stops? Or it doesn't stop?

Then you try and say something about future cycles that makes absolutely no sense.


And now here I am, wondering what the heck is going on.

Yet he goes on and tells me the the cycle will start agian if I pick destroy.....I wonder why?

My point is that the star child only gives a guarantee that the cycle will end with Synthesis. He guarentees that it will start again with destroy and he is never clear on that with control....Did you miss this?
And of couse theirs more the one cycle...The storyalway refur to it in multiples. What does Javik mean by "in my cycle". Liars even refers to this in ME1 whne she explianes her theory.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 mai 2012 - 04:46 .

[FatalX7.0]

Wait.

Did you just change it to the non-existent cycle of Synthetics rebelling against organics?

And then back to harvesting?

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 19 mai 2012 - 04:46 .

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Wait.

Did you just change it to the non-existent cycle of Synthetics rebelling against organics?

And then back to harvesting?

One and the same, take your pick.

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Wait.

Did you just change it to the non-existent cycle of Synthetics rebelling against organics?

And then back to harvesting?

One and the same, take your pick.

I'm asking Dreman.

This has been our conversation, he should be able to answer and clarify his mess.

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Wait.

Did you just change it to the non-existent cycle of Synthetics rebelling against organics?

And then back to harvesting?

No. I pointed out that the star child only guarantee's the cycle ends is sysnthesis and the h guarantess it will comeback with destory....And it unclear with  control. Also,that it still refered asmultiple any way via Javik and Liara.

[balance5050]

@ Dreman

Tell her that the cycle is still a cycle no matter what the reapers reasons for killing/harvesting are.

[dreman9999]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Wait.

Did you just change it to the non-existent cycle of Synthetics rebelling against organics?

And then back to harvesting?

One and the same, take your pick.

I'm asking Dreman.

This has been our conversation, he should be able to answer and clarify his mess.

Yes, I am saying it'sone in the same...And you still did not awnser why the star child guaranteed the cycle will come back with destroy , end with sysnthesis and is unclear with control.
I also made my last couple of statment knowing it would go this direction....Thanks for falling into the trap.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 mai 2012 - 04:53 .

[FatalX7.0]

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Wait.

Did you just change it to the non-existent cycle of Synthetics rebelling against organics?

And then back to harvesting?

No. I pointed out that the star child only guarantee's the cycle ends is sysnthesis and the h guarantess it will comeback with destory....And it unclear with  control. Also,that it still refered asmultiple any way via Javik and Liara.

You said harvesting wouldn't end, then you started talking about civilization ending. Or not ending. It was really, really confusing.

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. We already argued the even withoutIT...Destory is the best option.
2.That still means that the other two salutions solve nothing.
3.Did miss the fact the reapers can control organics with implats and you little thenm implant everyone?
4.It's a lost test of the players will.
5.And working with the reapers is a good change?

1. we argued, but I don't recall you won.
2.As does destroy.
3.Did you miss the the fact letting the reapers implant everyone is pure speculation?
4. Says the IT. People who don't believe will only get screwed by it.
5.SPECULATIONS. 

dreman9999 wrote...


It means everyone will live happily with reaper implant controling their every thought and will....Great choice. /sarcasum.

 

SPECULATIONS. Are you able to proof something that isn't made from spectulations?

Modifié par HagarIshay, 19 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[FatalX7.0]

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Wait.

Did you just change it to the non-existent cycle of Synthetics rebelling against organics?

And then back to harvesting?

One and the same, take your pick.

I'm asking Dreman.

This has been our conversation, he should be able to answer and clarify his mess.

Yes, I am saying it'sone in the same...And you still did not awnser why the star child guaranteed the cycle will come back with destroy , end with sysnthesis and is unclear with control.

Because he doesn't like destroy.

Because of Bioware's amazing art, Reapers think synthetics are bad and will rebel always and forever, based on nothing.

So, he doesn't want you destroy the Reapers and risk synthetics rebelling against organics. Even though they probably won't. Ever.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 19 mai 2012 - 04:55 .