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[dreman9999]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

If I should choose from Control or Synthesis and IT was false - than ofc it would be Synthesis, why ?
Morale statements:
- Control - your will become a Reaper´s will and it means that you will be dangerous power which will somewhere in dark space waiting and watching to other Species and serve as a solution to war threat OR as i said you will be Humanity´s whip which will subdue other species. None should had such a power which could bring a genocide upony his foes.

- Synthesis - will bring peace to everyone, knowlendge of Reapers will be ours and everyone will live in harmony - no disease, no disability, high inteligence and Reapers will dissapear.

But the reapers are still there with the ability to control everyone via implnts...And IT can only be false if it's proven the reaper never  could attempt to influence Shepard .

IT could also be proven false via the EC not using IT. As it stands, it's just one of the several interpretations of the current endings. However, it also commands the most zeal.

The onlyway IT can't be used is if EC show that the reaper were never able to influce shepard.....
They are 3 versions of IT.
1. Dream theory. This is the most popular one that everyone know. It the one that stated everything is an indoctriantion dream...This one stands ou by having Shepard still on earth.

2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.

3. Inflence theory. This is the one that has everything as real but it one that the reaper are trying to subminally influence Shepards choices with indoctrination and warping his perpective. This is inflence by the idea how reaper are more convincing with indoctrination. This also can murge with Hallucination theory as well with the star child or have the scene that happen be real in away.(Meaning the star child can be an illusion but Shepard is at that place.) 
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Any one of them can be used for EC.  The only way IT dies is if it's shown that the reaper are not trying to influence Shepard.

That did absolutely nothing to advance the discussion. We're still at the point where if they don't use IT, then IT isn't true. Now you're just trying to make the scroll bar smaller.

But you not understanding my point...IT is all about the concept of the reapers trying to influcing Shepard via indoctrination.....My point is to some how many levels it can go. My point is the only way IT can be false is itit'sshown the reapers never were trying to influence Shepared with indoctriantion.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 mai 2012 - 05:50 .

[dreman9999]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Qutayba wrote...

I tend to see IT as a set of theories, not just one "orthodox" theory. Some people, for example, think that this was BioWare's plan all along. Others see it as a possible interpretation that doesn't invalidate other interpretations. At this point, if it wasn't planned, which I suspect is the case, they should probably keep things vague enough that IT is still a possible, but not the only possible, interpretation. We don't need a canon.

That'd be fun. And probably ideal. I do wish they'd deal with it somehow... Without invalidating people who don't feel like killing their synthetic buddies. Mass Effect has had a shortage of patently wrong single choices up until now, and it'd be a shame if they felt the need to break that streak.

I mean, I think this would literally be the only time where choosing between 3 things would result in a critical mission failure, in the version of IT these guys have been arguing about. And I don't like that in my Mass Effect. It's at its best when it's not absolute and there's moral and logical reasons for each choice you could make.

But those choice can be argued as wrong even without IT...

And they can just as easily be argued as right. You're not really a fan of alternate interpretations, are you?

They can only be argued as right it you ignore the fact that the reapers are given control in those choices. That make the entire agrument for control and synthesis flawed.

[Applepie_Svk]

HagarIshay wrote...

First of all, that is not entirly true. You can save the collector base for future knowlage. Destroy is the only option until you are giving other solutions. 


Actually after the reaper war it'll be the perfect time. You will have the leftovers of the reapers. Why do you think no one will use them? 

1. And yet it is already closed case because no real change become with saving Collector´s base. 

2. You become their will it means you will be something like a moral codex or higher entity like a Catalyst and that will all lead Reapers to next steps.
If you will be Renegade - than you were a soldier of Aliance and that means humanity first - great graveyard all who try to oppose you and humanity
If you will pick control as Paragon - than you will become a justice´s hamer, Reapers will solve conflicts and punish wicked.
So there won´t be a chance to use them, all species will look for survivors and rebuilding - and as a Reaper´s mind you will know there is such a chance that someone like a Xen or Tim will eventualy try to seize a power so Reapers will try to errase all remains.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Qutayba wrote...

I tend to see IT as a set of theories, not just one "orthodox" theory. Some people, for example, think that this was BioWare's plan all along. Others see it as a possible interpretation that doesn't invalidate other interpretations. At this point, if it wasn't planned, which I suspect is the case, they should probably keep things vague enough that IT is still a possible, but not the only possible, interpretation. We don't need a canon.

That'd be fun. And probably ideal. I do wish they'd deal with it somehow... Without invalidating people who don't feel like killing their synthetic buddies. Mass Effect has had a shortage of patently wrong single choices up until now, and it'd be a shame if they felt the need to break that streak.

I mean, I think this would literally be the only time where choosing between 3 things would result in a critical mission failure, in the version of IT these guys have been arguing about. And I don't like that in my Mass Effect. It's at its best when it's not absolute and there's moral and logical reasons for each choice you could make.

But those choice can be argued as wrong even without IT...

And they can just as easily be argued as right. You're not really a fan of alternate interpretations, are you?

They can only be argued as right it you ignore the fact that the reapers are given control in those choices. That make the entire agrument for control and synthesis flawed.

That's your interpretation of things. I don't see where we're giving them control. I see where we're controlling them and where they no longer need control.

[OdanUrr]

dreman9999 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But your missing the point that he really offers 2 choices. Destory isjust a recomfermation that I want to do it. Regardless, It's still about not submitting what the reapers want. Synthesis let's the reapers contol everything, and control opens up a way for them to control Shepard.

You're missing my point. If you think he's lying, what assurance do you have that Destroy will do what the Catalyst says it does?

That doesn't matter. The worst that will happen is that I die.Choosing the other options just open up more control to the reapers, a thing I will not do. It's a concept of death instead of submission.

How do you know that's the worst that will happen? For all you know, destroying that tube could destroy all life in the galaxy! (sorry for the delay, I was out)

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

If I should choose from Control or Synthesis and IT was false - than ofc it would be Synthesis, why ?
Morale statements:
- Control - your will become a Reaper´s will and it means that you will be dangerous power which will somewhere in dark space waiting and watching to other Species and serve as a solution to war threat OR as i said you will be Humanity´s whip which will subdue other species. None should had such a power which could bring a genocide upony his foes.

- Synthesis - will bring peace to everyone, knowlendge of Reapers will be ours and everyone will live in harmony - no disease, no disability, high inteligence and Reapers will dissapear.

But the reapers are still there with the ability to control everyone via implnts...And IT can only be false if it's proven the reaper never  could attempt to influence Shepard .

IT could also be proven false via the EC not using IT. As it stands, it's just one of the several interpretations of the current endings. However, it also commands the most zeal.

The onlyway IT can't be used is if EC show that the reaper were never able to influce shepard.....
They are 3 versions of IT.
1. Dream theory. This is the most popular one that everyone know. It the one that stated everything is an indoctriantion dream...This one stands ou by having Shepard still on earth.

2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.

3. Inflence theory. This is the one that has everything as real but it one that the reaper are trying to subminally influence Shepards choices with indoctrination and warping his perpective. This is inflence by the idea how reaper are more convincing with indoctrination. This also can murge with Hallucination theory as well with the star child or have the scene that happen be real in away.(Meaning the star child can be an illusion but Shepard is at that place.) 
.....
Any one of them can be used for EC.  The only way IT dies is if it's shown that the reaper are not trying to influence Shepard.

That did absolutely nothing to advance the discussion. We're still at the point where if they don't use IT, then IT isn't true. Now you're just trying to make the scroll bar smaller.

But younot understanding my poit...IT is all about the concept of the reapers trying to influcing Shepard via indoctrination.....My point is to some how many levels it can go. My point is the only way IT can be false is itit'sshown the reapers never were trying to influence Shepared with indoctriantion.

But if they don't use any of those theories, they're proven false. Consider the EC the test to see if the theory holds. If the EC doesn't use the theories, it doesn't hold. That's all I'm saying. Jeez.

[dreman9999]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Qutayba wrote...

I tend to see IT as a set of theories, not just one "orthodox" theory. Some people, for example, think that this was BioWare's plan all along. Others see it as a possible interpretation that doesn't invalidate other interpretations. At this point, if it wasn't planned, which I suspect is the case, they should probably keep things vague enough that IT is still a possible, but not the only possible, interpretation. We don't need a canon.

That'd be fun. And probably ideal. I do wish they'd deal with it somehow... Without invalidating people who don't feel like killing their synthetic buddies. Mass Effect has had a shortage of patently wrong single choices up until now, and it'd be a shame if they felt the need to break that streak.

I mean, I think this would literally be the only time where choosing between 3 things would result in a critical mission failure, in the version of IT these guys have been arguing about. And I don't like that in my Mass Effect. It's at its best when it's not absolute and there's moral and logical reasons for each choice you could make.

But those choice can be argued as wrong even without IT...

And they can just as easily be argued as right. You're not really a fan of alternate interpretations, are you?

They can only be argued as right it you ignore the fact that the reapers are given control in those choices. That make the entire agrument for control and synthesis flawed.

That's your interpretation of things. I don't see where we're giving them control. I see where we're controlling them and where they no longer need control.

It's not justan interpritation..... You ignoring the fact that reapers can control orgnics with implant and your implating every organic in systhesis.
And in control you missing a line about"losing everything you have".
They are bothevague...Thay are vague to be open to interpritationbut that does not mean itnot literal. It just means your nevergiven a clear understanding...That were the flaw lie....It's an issue of trust...Can you really trust the reapers?

[dreman9999]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

If I should choose from Control or Synthesis and IT was false - than ofc it would be Synthesis, why ?
Morale statements:
- Control - your will become a Reaper´s will and it means that you will be dangerous power which will somewhere in dark space waiting and watching to other Species and serve as a solution to war threat OR as i said you will be Humanity´s whip which will subdue other species. None should had such a power which could bring a genocide upony his foes.

- Synthesis - will bring peace to everyone, knowlendge of Reapers will be ours and everyone will live in harmony - no disease, no disability, high inteligence and Reapers will dissapear.

But the reapers are still there with the ability to control everyone via implnts...And IT can only be false if it's proven the reaper never  could attempt to influence Shepard .

IT could also be proven false via the EC not using IT. As it stands, it's just one of the several interpretations of the current endings. However, it also commands the most zeal.

The onlyway IT can't be used is if EC show that the reaper were never able to influce shepard.....
They are 3 versions of IT.
1. Dream theory. This is the most popular one that everyone know. It the one that stated everything is an indoctriantion dream...This one stands ou by having Shepard still on earth.

2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.

3. Inflence theory. This is the one that has everything as real but it one that the reaper are trying to subminally influence Shepards choices with indoctrination and warping his perpective. This is inflence by the idea how reaper are more convincing with indoctrination. This also can murge with Hallucination theory as well with the star child or have the scene that happen be real in away.(Meaning the star child can be an illusion but Shepard is at that place.) 
.....
Any one of them can be used for EC.  The only way IT dies is if it's shown that the reaper are not trying to influence Shepard.

That did absolutely nothing to advance the discussion. We're still at the point where if they don't use IT, then IT isn't true. Now you're just trying to make the scroll bar smaller.

But younot understanding my poit...IT is all about the concept of the reapers trying to influcing Shepard via indoctrination.....My point is to some how many levels it can go. My point is the only way IT can be false is itit'sshown the reapers never were trying to influence Shepared with indoctriantion.

But if they don't use any of those theories, they're proven false. Consider the EC the test to see if the theory holds. If the EC doesn't use the theories, it doesn't hold. That's all I'm saying. Jeez.

The only time they can't use those theories is if they show the reapersare not trying to influeces Shepard...IT can be happen even if we take the plot as is....That's the 3rd theory....They only way IT is false is ifthe reaper where never trying to influence Shepard. Why ? Because the theory isall about the reapers attempting to influence Shepard with indoctrination.

[dreman9999]

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But your missing the point that he really offers 2 choices. Destory isjust a recomfermation that I want to do it. Regardless, It's still about not submitting what the reapers want. Synthesis let's the reapers contol everything, and control opens up a way for them to control Shepard.

You're missing my point. If you think he's lying, what assurance do you have that Destroy will do what the Catalyst says it does?

That doesn't matter. The worst that will happen is that I die.Choosing the other options just open up more control to the reapers, a thing I will not do. It's a concept of death instead of submission.

How do you know that's the worst that will happen? For all you know, destroying that tube could destroy all life in the galaxy! (sorry for the delay, I was out)

1.The reapers don'twant to destory all life in the galexy. So it would never be an option.
2. It still opens the crucible to be used. Shepard is not key to it activating....Anyone can activate it.

My point is Shepard dieing does not equal to a lose for the allied forces.

[Hadeedak]

No. No, that IS your interpretation. My interpretation is that synthesis works like the kid says it does and the way Joker and EDI seem to be acting.

And whether or not you can trust the Reapers is irrelevant. You're dealing with the Catalyst. It's related to the Reapers. What it is exactly, though.... is subject to interpretation. In all 3 endings, your Shepard trusts the Reapers. Or you can criticalmissionfailure like a boss.

[dreman9999]

Hadeedak wrote...

No. No, that IS your interpretation. My interpretation is that synthesis works like the kid says it does and the way Joker and EDI seem to be acting.

And whether or not you can trust the Reapers is irrelevant. You're dealing with the Catalyst. It's related to the Reapers. What it is exactly, though.... is subject to interpretation. In all 3 endings, your Shepard trusts the Reapers. Or you can criticalmissionfailure like a boss.

The kid is never clear on how it works and you don't have a reason totrust him. Giving this much trust makes the option ,choice and point flawed.

And it is relivent...These are machine with a history of deception. The reason why they defeat organics is deception...It's their strongest weopon...To ignore it is a flawed choice.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 mai 2012 - 05:53 .

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...

Wait... Who said that the catalyst was a ghost?! Also, ghosts don't exist, and Shepard is dead, NOT a ghost.

What is the problem with one of Shepard's best firends killing him? Would you rather it'd be a random enemy grunt?

So first you're saying that if you picked control you're screwed either way, but now that a viable option out of indoctrination exists, you don't want it BECAUSE Shepard is not indoctrinated? I don't get it.

Also, I think you may have read the script the wrong way, because it doesn't seem like you even understood what the hell was written down.

Well, gaint machines that want to harvest organics to save them also doesn't exist outside of Mass Effect universe. Ghost can exist.

It may be different for other people, but I don't want Shepard's best friend to kill him/her because I expect Shepard to die while doing what S/he thinks is right. Wether it's a battle against a cerberus agiant, or controling the reapers. It's not just Sheaprd's friends killing Shepard, it's the hole scene.

Shepard's life are screwd if you pick control, but at least s/he died by his/her terms. Indoctrination will screw Sheaprd by force. I don't want to believe Shepard who got high EMS deserve that after trying- and almost succeding- to make everything right.

dreman9999 wrote...

Welcome to my arguement that She is in denial.

No more in denail than you.

[Hadeedak]

dreman9999 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

No. No, that IS your interpretation. My interpretation is that synthesis works like the kid says it does and the way Joker and EDI seem to be acting.

And whether or not you can trust the Reapers is irrelevant. You're dealing with the Catalyst. It's related to the Reapers. What it is exactly, though.... is subject to interpretation. In all 3 endings, your Shepard trusts the Reapers. Or you can criticalmissionfailure like a boss.

The kid is never clear on how it works and you don't have a reason totrust him. Giving this much trust makes the option ,choice and point flawed.

And it is relivent...These are machine with a history of deception. The reason why they defeat organics is deception...It's their strongest weopon...To ignore it is a flawed choice.

So you shot the pipe.

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

No. No, that IS your interpretation. My interpretation is that synthesis works like the kid says it does and the way Joker and EDI seem to be acting.

And whether or not you can trust the Reapers is irrelevant. You're dealing with the Catalyst. It's related to the Reapers. What it is exactly, though.... is subject to interpretation. In all 3 endings, your Shepard trusts the Reapers. Or you can criticalmissionfailure like a boss.

The kid is never clear on how it works and you don't have a reason totrust him. Giving this much trust makes the option ,choice and point flawed.

And it is relivent...These are machine with a history of deception. The reason why they defeat organics is deception...It's their strongest weopon...To ignore it is a flawed choice.

The only reason he does not say how synthesis or control works is because Shepard didn't bothered to ask. Complain about Shep not caring. Not the catalyst.

[Hadeedak]

It really feels like all this is being over-thought.

[Vox Draco]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

First of all, that is not entirly true. You can save the collector base for future knowlage. Destroy is the only option until you are giving other solutions. 


Actually after the reaper war it'll be the perfect time. You will have the leftovers of the reapers. Why do you think no one will use them? 

1. And yet it is already closed case because no real change become with saving Collector´s base. 

2. You become their will it means you will be something like a moral codex or higher entity like a Catalyst and that will all lead Reapers to next steps.
If you will be Renegade - than you were a soldier of Aliance and that means humanity first - great graveyard all who try to oppose you and humanity
If you will pick control as Paragon - than you will become a justice´s hamer, Reapers will solve conflicts and punish wicked.
So there won´t be a chance to use them, all species will look for survivors and rebuilding - and as a Reaper´s mind you will know there is such a chance that someone like a Xen or Tim will eventualy try to seize a power so Reapers will try to errase all remains.

I love that neat idea of a positive control outcome where Shep and the Reapers become the "freedom force" or "Peacekeepers" of the galaxy. Sadly though my negative mindset forces me to see a vision like this:

A giant war Galaxy vs. Reapers, again. Why? Maybe because those Reapers have still killed Billions? Annihilated entire races? Destroyed planets? I don't think this will be forgotten just because those abominations suddenly switched into philantrophic mode. And Shepard? The hero of the galaxy? Now in leauge with those murdereres? That traitor! Shepard stop meddling with our affairs! this is OUR galaxy, we will handle this without YOU and your pets interfering! Take your Reapers OUT of the galaxy and leave us alone! Or else...war!

The whole "Shepard takes the Reapers and flies them into the sun"-outcome is in fact a bit more realistic for me...

[Kurrabin]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Plouton wrote...

Also IT says that ending is a hallucination (or virtual reality) but does not say what "real" ending is. So EC still can be basically anything even if IT will be confirmed.

If the EC can prove that the current ending is not a hallucination then you can forget IT.
But IT supporters can calmly say that the EC is also a hallucination. Deadlock.

Well, while I currently see IT being the most plausible explanation of the end-game events, if they do not - at least - increase the obvious IT clues with the EC, I will not think the same of it, and I believe many people will also not bother.

It's not a blind acceptance of the theory, just agreeing that in the current frame it makes sense.

[Hadeedak]

I always liked 'retreat to dark space and hibernate' , as far as Control dealing with Reapers. Sort of comes a bit full circle.

But yeah, I can see where you could assume the worse. And... you do seem to like your Shepards breathing, judging by your signature. By the by, love the vids. ^^

[OdanUrr]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.The reapers don'twant to destory all life in the galexy. So it would never be an option.
2. It still opens the crucible to be used. Shepard is not key to it activating....Anyone can activate it.

My point is Shepard dieing does not equal to a lose for the allied forces.

I was exaggerating to get my point across. Seems that didn't work, so let me rephrase. If the Catalyst is lying, how do you know that Destroy doesn't actually destroy all advanced civilizations in the galaxy? Or maybe it'll just wipe Earth clean, like some sort of planet killer or death star (see what I did there?). Or maybe it'll send a galaxy-wide signal to order all synthetics to destroy organics. The point is, if you believe the Catalyst to be lying, you cannot pick and choose what he's lying about.

This statement is false.

[Applepie_Svk]

Vox Draco wrote...

I love that neat idea of a positive control outcome where Shep and the Reapers become the "freedom force" or "Peacekeepers" of the galaxy. Sadly though my negative mindset forces me to see a vision like this:

A giant war Galaxy vs. Reapers, again. Why? Maybe because those Reapers have still killed Billions? Annihilated entire races? Destroyed planets? 

The whole "Shepard takes the Reapers and flies them into the sun"-outcome is in fact a bit more realistic for me...

The problem of this that we know they are behind all that milions years of genocide, but we don´t know where did they even start and don´t have no power to oppose them after events of ME3. 
Yep fly to some kind of Black hole, Galaxy core or Sun would be much better for everyone.

[Ageless Face]

Vox Draco wrote...

I love that neat idea of a positive control outcome where Shep and the Reapers become the "freedom force" or "Peacekeepers" of the galaxy. Sadly though my negative mindset forces me to see a vision like this:

A giant war Galaxy vs. Reapers, again. Why? Maybe because those Reapers have still killed Billions? Annihilated entire races? Destroyed planets? I don't think this will be forgotten just because those abominations suddenly switched into philantrophic mode. And Shepard? The hero of the galaxy? Now in leauge with those murdereres? That traitor! Shepard stop meddling with our affairs! this is OUR galaxy, we will handle this without YOU and your pets interfering! Take your Reapers OUT of the galaxy and leave us alone! Or else...war!

The whole "Shepard takes the Reapers and flies them into the sun"-outcome is in fact a bit more realistic for me...

My guess is, if you had a very low EMS, then the crucible will inturpet Shepard's commands wrong and will make the reapers destroy the galaxy, this time for good.

If you had a medium EMS, then you tell the reapers to go for good, and to never see them again.

If you had high EMS, then you will keep the reapers as the galaxy's protectors.

I think it's quite ideal. But that's just me. 

[jijeebo]

Hadeedak wrote...



It really feels like all this is being over-thought.

Maybe Bioware WANTED you to think the Catalyst would want you to think he was lieing so you'd think you were over thinking it and trust that he was lieing about possibly lieing and as such assume that he isn't lieing when he is in fact lieing about lieing about lieing that he was maybe lieing.

I GOT YOU SOLVED BIOWARE!!


p.s I lol'd @ the vid

[Vox Draco]

Hadeedak wrote...

But yeah, I can see where you could assume the worse. And... you do seem to like your Shepards breathing, judging by your signature. By the by, love the vids. ^^

Of course I do!   The whole point of playing the full ME-Series was to see my Shep triumph in the end, staring at Reaper-cropses and and holding her Kaidan in her arms. Sacrificing is only for people who don't look hard enough for alternatives!

Any other outcome than shepard alive is a defeat for me. Shepard = Hope; Shepard dead = Hope dead
That's my interpretation of the ending and the main reason I am so upset about what I got in the end: Nothing but a little breathe to make me feel something like hope...

And thank you. Hopefully the EC will be any good and and provides me with good material for a sequel..."Shepard's sweetest dreams come true"

[dreman9999]

Hadeedak wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

No. No, that IS your interpretation. My interpretation is that synthesis works like the kid says it does and the way Joker and EDI seem to be acting.

And whether or not you can trust the Reapers is irrelevant. You're dealing with the Catalyst. It's related to the Reapers. What it is exactly, though.... is subject to interpretation. In all 3 endings, your Shepard trusts the Reapers. Or you can criticalmissionfailure like a boss.

The kid is never clear on how it works and you don't have a reason totrust him. Giving this much trust makes the option ,choice and point flawed.

And it is relivent...These are machine with a history of deception. The reason why they defeat organics is deception...It's their strongest weopon...To ignore it is a flawed choice.

So you shot the pipe.

...Instade of hoping the other 2 choices bring happiness to everyone when the facts says it won't.

[Hadeedak]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Vox Draco wrote...

I love that neat idea of a positive control outcome where Shep and the Reapers become the "freedom force" or "Peacekeepers" of the galaxy. Sadly though my negative mindset forces me to see a vision like this:

A giant war Galaxy vs. Reapers, again. Why? Maybe because those Reapers have still killed Billions? Annihilated entire races? Destroyed planets? 

The whole "Shepard takes the Reapers and flies them into the sun"-outcome is in fact a bit more realistic for me...

The problem of this that we know they are behind all that milions years of genocide, but we don´t know where did they even start and don´t have no power to oppose them after events of ME3. 
Yep fly to some kind of Black hole, Galaxy core or Sun would be much better for everyone.

I have a narrative issue with flat out killing the Reapers in control. Now, there's no logical reason you couldn't, if it works perfectly. But if you can wipe them out, it sort of turns into 'Destroy, but better in every way except Shepard living'. Relays, geth, Citadel? Yours.