Noelemahc wrote...
It really never happened, unless the Shepard that did Arrival and went through ME3 was just some lookalike actor hired by the Alliance to cover up the fact that the real Shepard died beyond the Omega-4 relay.
bennyjammin79 wrote...
WTF is egoist?
Egotistic they meant I assume, but I think the term they are more so looking for is hypocrytical as they claim that IT will put some people in the same position they assume all IT supporters were in at the end of the game. There are a lot of assumptions, including the fact that choice doesn't matter at the end of the game with IT and so on.bennyjammin79 wrote...
WTF is egoist?
Modifié par elecmanexe001, 17 mai 2012 - 01:09 .
elecmanexe001 wrote...
Egotistic they meant I assume, but I think the term they are more so looking for is hypocrytical as they claim that IT will put some people in the same position they assume all IT supporters were in at the end of the game. There are a lot of assumptions, including the fact that choice doesn't matter at the end of the game with IT and so on.bennyjammin79 wrote...
WTF is egoist?
I do not agree, I think IT only sprung up because of how much others were complaining with no hope for anything and those that thought it was meh, bad but not horrible overall, decided to give those who wanted to just claim everything about the game and specifically the ending was bad, an example of how it might not be.
To the Fan Creations Forum, we have to immortalize his achievement immediately!OdanUrr wrote...
Noelemahc wrote...
It really never happened, unless the Shepard that did Arrival and went through ME3 was just some lookalike actor hired by the Alliance to cover up the fact that the real Shepard died beyond the Omega-4 relay.
Roy Bubbles. The real hero of ME.
Dude_in_the_Room wrote...
elecmanexe001 wrote...
Egotistic they meant I assume, but I think the term they are more so looking for is hypocrytical as they claim that IT will put some people in the same position they assume all IT supporters were in at the end of the game. There are a lot of assumptions, including the fact that choice doesn't matter at the end of the game with IT and so on.bennyjammin79 wrote...
WTF is egoist?
I do not agree, I think IT only sprung up because of how much others were complaining with no hope for anything and those that thought it was meh, bad but not horrible overall, decided to give those who wanted to just claim everything about the game and specifically the ending was bad, an example of how it might not be.
I doubt that.
I would think some ppl couldn't believe the ending as it was, thought about it, and put together a very interesting arguement that IT could be in fact the ending.
Silhouett3 wrote...
In one of the ME2 endings, Shepard dies, the game ends and credits roll. According to the reasoning of OP, shouldn't we also think Bioware abandoned those people who performed very poorly in ME2, by not making that character save importable to ME3?
elecmanexe001 wrote...
Some, but I would bet a good number agree with IT or suggested aspects of it becuase while others complained they looked to provide themselves and those complaining with potential answers. Unfortunatly this being the internet and respect is hard to find all those complaining for the most part have done is hate on IT for suggesting something that they do not want, which is a complete and utter new ending if not new game.
Modifié par HagarIshay, 17 mai 2012 - 02:00 .
Aiyie wrote...
can't please everyone.
pro-IT'r's don't appear to egoists to me, since egoism is essentially defined as motivation by self-interest. psychological egoism states that the reason behind everyone's actions is self-interest. rational egoism is the philosophical belief that everyone's actions are not only guided by self-interest, but that they're actions ought to be guided by self-interest.
the pro-it'rs appear to be more utilitarian to me. guided more by the belief that the ends justify the means, so long as the end is most beneficial to the most people. if someone gets lost along the way, its an acceptable loss because the outcome is best for the majority.
Modifié par HagarIshay, 17 mai 2012 - 02:45 .
I'm just trying to show the level the ideals and consept It can take.MisterJB wrote...
Missing the point of the thread much?dreman9999 wrote...
1.
So no one sees that indoctrination is happening to Shepard even if we take the plot as it is?http://social.biowar.../index/11972753
2.
(Note an IT video)
So your say a choice that agree with the reapers must be rewarded?HagarIshay wrote...
Aiyie wrote...
can't please everyone.
pro-IT'r's don't appear to egoists to me, since egoism is essentially defined as motivation by self-interest. psychological egoism states that the reason behind everyone's actions is self-interest. rational egoism is the philosophical belief that everyone's actions are not only guided by self-interest, but that they're actions ought to be guided by self-interest.
the pro-it'rs appear to be more utilitarian to me. guided more by the belief that the ends justify the means, so long as the end is most beneficial to the most people. if someone gets lost along the way, its an acceptable loss because the outcome is best for the majority.
I know it's impossible to please everyone. But the least that can be done is to find the balance that will make everyone a little more at ease.
I know the majority is probobably against my choices. But BioWare created control, destroy and synthesis. Therefore they must answer to all the choices. But the majority seem really bend on doing everything they can to make my choices as wrong to make theyre points right, to the point i wonder if BioWare will only hear them. It is egoist when they do that. Why? Because of the reasons i said. Making they're choice as right, while dissmising the others. I know not everybody are doing that, but there are certainly enough to make every pro-control or pro-synthesis to go red from rage.
Yes...He is facing the imposible.christrek1982 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
I don'tthink asking for that for a minimum is reasonable. A clear ending isall that is needed.christrek1982 wrote...
I never asked for IT I just asked for the chance of a happy ending the choice something to play towards something to earn a reward you know to go with the whole game thing.
so are you saying that I'm asking for too much just to have one of the 16 or 4 ending to be a happy one?
You toclearly missed my point.Elyiia wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Missing the point of the thread much?dreman9999 wrote...
1.
So no one sees that indoctrination is happening to Shepard even if we take the plot as it is?http://social.biowar.../index/11972753
2.
(Note an IT video)
Missing the point, or proving it? :innocent:
One choice lestyou implant tech intoevery organic...With the reaper in charge. And Reapers have the ability to control beings with tech....Our_Last_Scene wrote...
As I've been saying the problem with the IT is people believe it's the TRUE ending and every other ending is wrong.
It leads to a lot of situations where you have one topic (the ending) but with people arguing about 2 completely different things (the ending and the IT ending). That leads the ITer's to believe they're "right" and eventually, because the argument is about 2 different things, it'll lead to a stalemate.
Modifié par poundoffleshaa, 17 mai 2012 - 03:25 .
poundoffleshaa wrote...
I personally don't understand how any one can take what the catalyst says at face value, the catalyst admits to being the reapers king aka your enemy from the get go. What incentive does the Reaper King have to tell you how to destroy the reapers or how to control them either will lead to its demise why would it tell you any option other than synthesis (its new solution)? The fact that the Reaper King (your enemy) is giving you these choices suggests that they are all traps.
OdanUrr wrote...
poundoffleshaa wrote...
I personally don't understand how any one can take what the catalyst says at face value, the catalyst admits to being the reapers king aka your enemy from the get go. What incentive does the Reaper King have to tell you how to destroy the reapers or how to control them either will lead to its demise why would it tell you any option other than synthesis (its new solution)? The fact that the Reaper King (your enemy) is giving you these choices suggests that they are all traps.
Um... if you can't take anything the Catalyst says at face value, why should you believe he's the "Reaper King"?
Modifié par poundoffleshaa, 17 mai 2012 - 03:29 .
dreman9999 wrote...
One choice lestyou implant tech intoevery organic...With the reaper in charge. And Reapers have the ability to control beings with tech....Our_Last_Scene wrote...
As I've been saying the problem with the IT is people believe it's the TRUE ending and every other ending is wrong.
It leads to a lot of situations where you have one topic (the ending) but with people arguing about 2 completely different things (the ending and the IT ending). That leads the ITer's to believe they're "right" and eventually, because the argument is about 2 different things, it'll lead to a stalemate.
The other wipes Shepard clean inculding memeories and put him in a system thatthe only imput would beinfofrom the reapers...
Even with out considering IT, the other choices are still bad choices.
poundoffleshaa wrote...
Because I can see absolutly no reason why making Shepard think him his/her enemy would advantage him, so I am putting it down to general reaper hubris.
dreman9999 wrote...
So your say a choice that agree with the reapers must be rewarded?
Your not understand that the other 2 choices keep the system intact...The system that controling organics for eons.
One choice lestyou implant tech intoevery organic...With the reaper incharge. And Reapers have the ability to control beings with tech....
The other wipes Shepard clean inculding memeories and put him in a system thatthe only imput would beinfofrom the reapers...
Even with out considering IT, the other choices are still bad choices.
HagarIshay wrote...
I'm asking from the Pro-IT, who have much power in these forums, to be more considerate of other fans, not just the majority and yourself. Because the EC is the chance for BioWare to prove themselves for many, many fans. I'm going to play the EC when it comes out, because i'm also not happy with certain things in the ending. Maybe I stand alone in this opinion, but the EC becoming a Pro-destroy, an option i really don't want my game to end in, will make the end a dissapointment for me much more than it is now.
But you missing the point here....In synthises you leaving the reapers in charge who implant everyone using the crucible. It matter not if organics are made smarter. The fact that the reapers control them at a whim makes the choice at flaut. They can read you mind and control it with there implants, this has been seen many time over agian in the ME series.HagarIshay wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
So your say a choice that agree with the reapers must be rewarded?
Your not understand that the other 2 choices keep the system intact...The system that controling organics for eons.
One choice lestyou implant tech intoevery organic...With the reaper incharge. And Reapers have the ability to control beings with tech....
The other wipes Shepard clean inculding memeories and put him in a system thatthe only imput would beinfofrom the reapers...
Even with out considering IT, the other choices are still bad choices.
It does not have to be black and white. Control can mean to make an army for the galaxy, without even for the mu relays do be destroyed. Synthsis can make the organics more intelligent, and synthetics to have more emotions. Destroy is the choice that is the clearest without many unanswered questions, and the only choice to keep Shepard alive. It is probalby the safest choice, for the time being.
Control is leaving the most questions unanswered. For all we know Shepard is the new catalyst. Synthesis is simply playing god and no one should play this type of game. Destroy is destroying Synthetic life! After we learned so much about the geth, and EDI...
See? There is no need to dismiss any of the choices. Each of them is good. Each of them is bad.
Modifié par dreman9999, 17 mai 2012 - 04:02 .
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