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[neteng101]

Disciple888 wrote...

no excuse anymore. there's these things called jumbo equipment packs. they're awesome.

Yeah - you're at the point where you've gotten all the Common, Uncommon, Rare to X, so credits obviously aren't as valuable anymore as they are to some still trying to upgrade their equipment.

I tend to Medi-Gel situationally...  what's the point of wasting it if you know the squad is going to wipe anyway?  And when you've got a Phantom, 2 Centurions and 3 troopers crowding all on top of you such that they can't even stomp you out, yeah, no Medi-Gel.

P/S - Sometimes better not to revive, worked out better when I just ran for the last objective and did that instead of reviving someone that was in a bad spot.  Half the time I go for the revive as a non-infiltrator, it doesn't end well.

Modifié par neteng101, 17 mai 2012 - 03:28 .

[Cornughon]

I always seem to be out of medigel and I don't have a mic, so I'm probably guilty...

[GodlessPaladin]

Okay, on the off chance that you're not actually going back to your old trolling ways again and are actually serious...

Wesus wrote...

Detailed response?

All you do is make people who dont share the Same mindset look ridiculous by linking either strawman or other Wikipedia links.

Making people look ridiculous by pointing out the fallacies their arguments commit wouldn't actually work if they weren't using those fallacies (it would make the person claiming the fallacy was committed look ridiculous instead). Complaining that your arguments are being rightly criticized for being fallacious is stupid and, in this case, extraordinarily hypocritical.

I agree with you on certain things and some things your completely right about but sometimes i'm just asking why are you trying to flash your e-peen and your negativity in such an obvious way.

Pointing out the flaws in people's arguments is not "flashing e-peen." It's a regular part of civilized discussion.

I mean if I would get critisism I would do something with it

Really? Because when I criticized you for, say, using a loaded question you just called it "flashing my e-peen" and "trying to look smart." By the way, some advice: You make your opponent look a helluva lot smarter than you when you complain about them using "big words" or "referencing supporting information for their statements." It also makes it look like you are the one concerned about egos, not the other way around. 

Moreover, your accusations are simply false.  In reality, I have always been open to argument and criticism.  Just because I reject your arguments (for reasons I already explained, which you then ignored) does not mean I reject all arguments.  There have been a number of times on these forums where I have recanted or adjusted my position on the weight of the well-reasoned arguments of other posters.  I just think your criticism is bull****.

you Call it a joke or a troll.

Your "criticisms" in this case are hard to take seriously, and given your history of trolling it is easy to see why I may have thought you were not being sincere.

Not everyone plays to be the best (I do), some play for fun or are newbies who dont Carry medigel or have only a bit knowledge about the game. You can't expect all of them to use medigel whenever they want and if you Call them leechers if they dont use it when you want it, then you are a Sad person.

Try rereading what I actually said, please.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 03:50 .

[Dream]

Sempati wrote...

I use medi-gel when:
1-Head is about to be stomped
2-Rest of team went down and wave not a lost cause
3-Almost dead in the later waves

Yeah, this. I'm not wasting my medi gel on early waves when it can be more helpful of me to save them for later (after wave 8, or during a wave 6 hack objective). I also won't use my medi gel on Gold when there are a bunch of enemies dancing over my corpse. 

Modifié par improvisionist, 17 mai 2012 - 03:39 .

[hihey54]

GodlessPaladin wrote...
There have been a number of times on these forums where I have recanted or adjusted my position on the weight of the well-reasoned arguments of other posters, and saying otherwise is an outright lie.

Do you still believe the Revenant to be garbage?

[GodlessPaladin]

hihey54 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...
There have been a number of times on these forums where I have recanted or adjusted my position on the weight of the well-reasoned arguments of other posters, and saying otherwise is an outright lie.

Do you still believe the Revenant to be garbage?

I also was convinced of Sabresandiego's position on the Human Infiltrator.  At least until the Geth Infiltrator and the proximity mine buff made it rather obsolete.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 03:53 .

[Wesus]

(Okay, on the off chance that you're not actually going back to your old trolling ways again and are actually serious...

Wesus wrote...

Detailed response?

All you do is make people who dont share the Same mindset look ridiculous by linking either strawman or other Wikipedia links.
Making people look ridiculous by pointing out the fallacies their arguments commit wouldn't actually work if they weren't using those fallacies (it would make the person claiming the fallacy was committed look ridiculous instead). Complaining that your arguments are being criticized for being fallacious is stupid and, in this case, extraordinarily hypocritical.)

it wasnt a loaded question, in most threads you are a negative and an elitist in your replies. You can deny this all you want but I know you wont admit as you're probably the most stubborn member on this forum

(I agree with you on certain things and some things your completely right about but sometimes i'm just asking why are you trying to flash your e-peen and your negativity in such an obvious way.
Pointing out the flaws in people's arguments is not "flashing e-peen." It's a regular part of civilized discussion.)

come on man, one thread you reply in you say gold is easy and you can Carry every game you enter and in the other thread you say that people are bad players for not using medigel or that they are leechers for you being last alive. If you dont want this to happen, make friends on the forum and play with people who know how to play instead of Complaining 24/7 on how bad pug's are and how elite you're because you can Carry 3 pugs. Nah you dont show e-peen my saying 4-5 times a day that you can Carry 3 pugs.

(I mean if I would get critisism I would do something with it
Really? Because when I criticized you for using a loaded question you just called it "flashing my e-peen" and "trying to look smart." By the way, some advice: You make your opponent look a helluva lot smarter than you when you complain about them using "big words" or "referencing supporting information for their statements." It also makes it look like you are the one concerned about your ego, not the other way around.

Moreover, my criticism was relevant to the topic of discussion.  Your criticism was merely a baseless personal attack and an adhominem argument.)

ah yes i'm concerned about my ego because i'm THE one saying all THE things like : i Carry 99% of my public games and 99% of all players are bad. Ow wait thats you and not me.

Since when is the truth a loaded question? Every opportunity you get to flash your e-peen you will take THE advantage of, any forumite who has been on this forum long enough knows this, its irrelevant to the topic yes but I just saw a chance to put you on your rights on flaming and so called "correcting" people who dont share your opinion

(you Call it a joke or a troll.
Your "criticisms" in this case are hard to take seriously, and given your history of trolling it is easy to see why I may have thought you were not being sincere.)

ok, i've been a troll so I see your point however when I critisised your tier list due to the lack of god tiers etc. Due to me having a tournament history with tekken and SSMB

(Not everyone plays to be the best (I do), some play for fun or are newbies who dont Carry medigel or have only a bit knowledge about the game. You can't expect all of them to use medigel whenever they want and if you Call them leechers if they dont use it when you want it, then you are a Sad person.
Try rereading what I actually said, please.)

you said if they dont use medigel when you want it and they wait on you to end the wave, they're leechers


Anyway i'm out of this as its going way off topic and your too stubborn to listen to others their opinion about you or your vision upon the game.

[Wesus]

Also stop modi hing your Posts every 2 seconds to make your reply look more valid. Its pretty annoying when you change your reply when i'm quoting and replying

[djarlaks10]

Medi-gel is for sissies. Chuck Norris doesn't use any medi-gel, so I won't use it as well.

[GodlessPaladin]

Wesus wrote...
it wasnt a loaded question

 

If you think that, then you do not understand what a loaded question is. That would be understandable if it wasn't for the fact that I just provided you with an explanation of what a loaded question is (and then you complained vociferously about being provided with an explanation).

you say that people are bad players for not using medigel or that they are leechers for you being last alive.

  [/b]Except that that's not what I actually said.

Nah you dont show e-peen my saying 4-5 times a day that you can Carry 3 pugs.

 ah yes i'm concerned about my ego because i'm THE one saying all THE things like : i Carry 99% of my public games and 99% of all players are bad. Ow wait thats you and not me.

Actually, you have commented in this very thread about how easy it is for you to carry newbies (whereas I have made no such comment in this thread). It is truly astounding how disingenuous you are.
[/b]

[b]ok, i've been a troll so I see your point however when I critisised your tier list due to the lack of god tiers etc. Due to me having a tournament history with tekken and SSMB

  ...I actually thought that was a joke.  I didn't think anyone could actually be stupid enough to criticize a tier list because none of the tiers were named God Tier, and then use an appeal to authority in order to support the need for naming tiers a certain way.  I honestly thought that was an attempt at satire in poor taste.  I suppose I stand corrected.

[b]you said if they dont use medigel when you want it and they wait on you to end the wave, they're leechers

  No, I actually didn't.  Please reread what I actually said.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 04:21 .

[Dassemm]

The more I play the more often I instantly rage medi-gel because I'm pissed off at myself for dying

[RazRei]

Playing with friends means we have either headsets or mics on and ready to go.

We always announce when we go down whats around us and even if its worth getting us up.

I personally, when I go down let my team know whats around me and either ask for help or if its crowded that I'll just pick myself up once the coast is clear. However I don't think its wrong for your fellow teammate to hang it over too you and pick you up. Also if your right on the verge of dieing and your teammates can't get too you, you should medigel.

[thegamefreek78648]

I very rarely use consumables on bronze, the few times I do is when the rest of my team is mostly filled or fully filled with people with low N7 Scores and low rank equipment.  They are new to the MP experiance so I am going to help them out.

On silver I dont use consumables until after wave 5 and I try to avoid it on wave 11 unless it is an oh **** moment and a missile is needed, same for gold.

[Wesus]

I can read Wikipedia and that wasnt a loaded question, it was rather a RETORICAL question as I already knew the answer.


(death_for_sale wrote...
Maybe they knew that you were such an awesome player that you didn't need their help to solo the wave. Why waste a medigel when you have the situation well in hand?
  In other words, thinking like a leecher.  Why help if someone else can play for you? 

Like I said...
bad and should feel bad.)

Do I need THE other threads where you stated if one didnt score high enough in your eyes hè was considered a leecher? Ow again a modified post to make you look better, what a suprise...

You Often say you Carry 3 people around 90% of the time, in several threads you said that. I only said I carried 1 newbie around a few gold matches and that he thanked me for it in a message and hè also learned from it. I dont complain that hè was bad or that he didnt get enough points, I stayed Nice and I helped a new player to understand the game. This is nowhere near your neverending bragging about carrying most public games 90% of the time.

Your tier list was poorly done, geth infiltrator in A, in the Same group as a novaguard. Every good fighting game got a god tier (ie SSMB with meta-knight), why? Because there is one class to rule them all no matter what they change the class Will always remain good


I rather talk to a wall as you modify and twist everything to make you look better in a discussion.

OT : please people ignore this discussion and keep commenting on the original poster

Many thanks.

[GodlessPaladin]

Wesus wrote...
In other words, thinking like a leecher.  Why help if someone else can play for you?

  Yes, that is what I actually said.  Now, can you recognize how that statement is distinct from the things you claim I said?  If not, you need to seriously work on your reading comprehension.

Every good fighting game got a god tier

  Yeah, games like Street Fighter just suck and don't have any competitive community unlike Super Smash Bros...  Oh wait.

(ie SSMB
with meta-knight)

  Meta-Knight wasn't in SSMB, he was in SSBB.

Because there is one class to rule them all no
matter what they change the class Will always remain good

  What the hell I don't even...

Okay now I'm sure you're a troll.  Bye.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[Wesus]

In other threads you said if people score XXXXX points you consider them as leechers instead of bad players....


Yeah thats exactly what you said in an other thread.

[ollyollyoxenfree]

There are times when I'm playing with friends and I'll use a gel because I've died in such a dumb way that I don't want them to have to come save me. Most of my friends are better players than me and I feel bad about making them put up with my mediocrity.

I have learned a lot from them though, and try to pass on the karma by helping weaker players in PUGs. If 3 of my teammates go down quickly in the same spot I'll go over, use a missile and revive them. Not everybody has a mic, likes to talk, or can even speak English so good communicators in random matches is a special treat as oppose to an expectation.

[ryoldschool]

I like what Godless Paladin is trying to say in this thread. Don't know if you all are a basketball fans or not, but Michael Jordan played on some terrible teams before they won those 6 championships. He always went into each game to do his very best, no matter what the score was. If you get enough people together like that you can win championships.

What he is advocating is that each team member should play all-out each time. That is how I play and would welcome more people to play like that.

[Mozts]

If you can solo the wave, let them save their medi gels for the waves you can't!

[GodlessPaladin]

ryoldschool wrote...

I like what Godless Paladin is trying to say in this thread. Don't know if you all are a basketball fans or not, but Michael Jordan played on some terrible teams before they won those 6 championships. He always went into each game to do his very best, no matter what the score was. If you get enough people together like that you can win championships.

What he is advocating is that each team member should play all-out each time. That is how I play and would welcome more people to play like that.

This is exactly what I am trying to get across.  Every player should be bringing forth their honest best effort, or they are not being a good teammate. Part of that means using your consumables.

[Wesus]

I meant ssbb i'm just confused with THE names as my favorite was SSMB.

I never said that other fighting games had no competitive playerbase, i just used SSbb as an example, Same as tekken, heck even doa4 was competitive.

You put GI in the same tier as novaguard where you endlessly complain how OP the melee and the combo's are yet you're unable to see that your list is a failure as the GI is a god amongst all other classes (heck you even said it yourself that its OP), and you Call me a troll for it. It just keeps getting better and better.

[GodlessPaladin]

Wesus wrote...
I never said that other fighting games had no competitive playerbase, i just used SSbb as an example, Same as tekken, heck even doa4 was competitive.

  You said "Every good fighting game has a God Tier."  And that's not true of the most accepted tier lists of many fighting games, many of which are considerably more competitive than Smash Bros.

Wesus wrote... where you endlessly complain how OP the melee and the combo's are

Yet again you are claiming I endlessly say things when it's just not true.  You are outright lying.  Again.  Maybe you don't think you're lying, because your reading comprehension is actually so bad that you actually think the things you are saying are true, but that is not an accurate representation of my position at all.  I have actually said that the Geth Infiltrator is not alone at the top.  I have also said that I don't think the melee is actually that bad (instead, that the top row of Fitness evolutions is underpowered for most characters), and that focusing on it as something to nerf ignores the fact that the core of its potency comes from the synergy of various abilities, and that many top-of-the-line GI builds do not include melee.  So yeah, your comments are essentially libel.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 17 mai 2012 - 05:12 .

[Hex Code]

I don't really give a **** about my team. You're there simply do be a decoy. I revive myself regardless, if you can get to me or not. I'm too impatient to wait around for somebody to come and revive me. And to whoever it was that said medi-gels are scarce...you're a moron. Stock up your equipment, so you never have to worry about wasting it.

[Malum In Se]

In any match, if I do something stupid and get taken down, I am quick to warn my teammates to not even bother and to just leave me.

If I am playing Bronze, I try not to use Medi-Gel if I can help it. Even with randoms (only way I typically play), they should be able to handle themselves without me. If they are all down or it is during extraction, then I will probably use a Medi-Gel.

On Silver or Gold, I always use my mic and will let people know if it worth trying to save me. I only have a 2 Medi-Gel capacity per match. I have a 4 or better in everything else. As such, I try to save them for extraction, if at all possible.

[JohnDoe]

actually.. no

using medigels when you're surrounded by enemies.. specially phantoms or banshees.. is the most dumbastic thing you can do..
as they will meleestunlock you (geth) or insta kill you (phantom, banshee).

but yes, I agree on not telling your team what happened... (specially if its invisible enemies like the hunter or phantom)