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[AlanC9]

T1l wrote...
 The very best fans have been able to do is to disregard the ending as "it was all a dream" (See Indoctrination Theory)

I'd describle those fans....somewhat differently.

[VampireSoap]

simfamSP wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

StElmo wrote...

God, I hope the EC rocks,

Logic dictates that a 10-minute video clip, which changes nothing of the original ending, is highly unlikely to "rock"

Logic dictates that a DLC this long in the making wouldn't just add a 10 minute video clip

Inquiry: How long did it take Bioware to create ME3? How long did it take you to finish your first ME3 playthrough?

[AlanC9]

Reorte wrote...

I'm just hoping that someone realises the obvious, that if the EC just gives people more of what made them upset to begin with it'll have achieved nothing for either the players or BioWare. Surely they wouldn't be that daft...?

Well, that's the thing -- what people were upset about seems to be variable. In retrospect, Retake really blew it by not coming up with a list of specific grievances.

[spacehamsterZH]

If by "fail" you mean "a lot of people will complain about its content", then I can guarantee right here that it's going to fail.

Why? Because many people hate the ME3 ending for many different reasons, and there's no way the EC will be able to address all of that. And reading through threads on here about what people expect from it, it's also very clear that there are a lot of unrealistic expectations that the announcements about its content (which do exist, no matter what the "Bywarez why u no call me" crowd says) pretty much outright state will not be fulfilled.

So basically, no matter what this thing turns out to be, prepare yourself for sh#tstorm 2.0.

[Grimez7]

AlanC9 wrote...

T1l wrote...
 The very best fans have been able to do is to disregard the ending as "it was all a dream" (See Indoctrination Theory)

I'd describle those fans....somewhat differently.

i think he meant it as the best thing the fans could do

[Grimez7]

simfamSP wrote...

Still, it's been what? Four months. They are either making a ton of wham-bang thank you ma'am DLCs and leaving a 5 minute clip of Shepard masturbating 'till last...

LOL!!

Modifié par Grimez7, 17 mai 2012 - 08:28 .

[Persephone]

simfamSP wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

StElmo wrote...

God, I hope the EC rocks,

Logic dictates that a 10-minute video clip, which changes nothing of the original ending, is highly unlikely to "rock"

Logic dictates that a DLC this long in the making wouldn't just add a 10 minute video clip

Inquiry: How long did it take Bioware to create ME3? How long did it take you to finish your first ME3 playthrough?

HK-47... we meet again

It took me 36 hours btw

Still, it's been what? Four months. They are either making a ton of wham-bang thank you ma'am DLCs and leaving a 5 minute clip of Shepard masturbating 'till last...

Or

They are actually taking time on it, realising the total ****storm they've created. And say what you will about how much they don't care. They do want to survive the next few years. And ME3's ending was a huge kick to the balls. For us, and for them.

Sure they made money. A lot of it actually. But a good reputation comes a long way - or so I've noticed - people will accuse BioWare of being lazy for doing one thing, but will call it acceptable for another company.

One thing comes to mind: the Witcher 2. The enhanced edition tied up loose ends for the Shani romancers. Though they did it via a few paragraphs in the journal. Everyone came up and said that it was fair, reasonable and well written. I didn't bother me, but I'm pretty sure that if BioWare did something like that they'd be accused for witchcraft, dealing with the devil and laziness.

Exactly this. Well said!

[GeoGirl2008]

I hope that with our impatient demands that the ending needs to be fixed, we haven't doomed ourselves to greater disappointment. It has been stated that there was always a DLC schedule for the game, and I just hope that our need for instant gratification hasn't forced a deviation from the intended content. I would like to believe that there were clues hidden within the ending that hinted at it not actually being the ending (i.e. the breath at the end). I think that BioWare probably had some epic post ending content planned, and now that may suffer because we all want it right away. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm patiently waiting for whatever DLC they come out with.

[T1l]

Grimez7 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

T1l wrote...
 The very best fans have been able to do is to disregard the ending as "it was all a dream" (See Indoctrination Theory)

I'd describle those fans....somewhat differently.

i think he meant it as the best thing the fans could do

Correct; what I wrote could be interpreted as I'm saying the fans who tout the Indoctrination Theroy are the best. I'm not. What I was saying is that the Indoctrination Theroy is the best fans have been able to come up with to explain the shambles we've been left with, which is sad, because Indoctrination Theroy presumes none of what we got was actually real. "It was all a dream". Quality script writing right there, if that's the case.

Modifié par T1l, 17 mai 2012 - 08:37 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Chris Priestly wrote...

If people have a question about a locked thread, they are welcome to ask me through private message.

Stay on topic please.

Noted. Never had a question, though. 'twas all pretty clear.

Now enough off-topic from me.

[VampireSoap]

simfamSP wrote...
HK-47... we meet again

It took me 36 hours btw

Still, it's been what? Four months. They are either making a ton of wham-bang thank you ma'am DLCs and leaving a 5 minute clip of Shepard masturbating 'till last...

Or

They are actually taking time on it, realising the total ****storm they've created.

Base on the available data, it is highly unlikely that they realized that they created any "storm". Bioware's extended cut announcement clearly states that they do not admit or acknowledge they did anything wrong.

Philosophical curiosity: If one has done nothing wrong, how can he make up for his mistakes?

[Mettyx]

StElmo wrote...

 the lack of research or understanding of the issue is depressing.

This whole thing has been very useful in opening my eyes about the dreadful intellectual capacity, dishonesty and laziness of the mainstream gaming media. It was astonishing to watch.

Not to mention those completely unwarranted perfect scores EA bought.

[Mettyx]

spacehamsterZH wrote...



Why? Because many people hate the ME3 ending for many different reasons,

I call bullsh*it on this assertion, what MANY different reasons?
Reasons are the same across the board:

1.introduction of a completely new critical character in the last minute

2.auto-dialog with said character breaking the tone of whole series which was always about choice, not auto-accepting assertions given by an unknown NPC

3.breaking the narrative coherence and genre of the whole series with the nonsensical implasuability of the choices and their impact

4.not a single damn thing is shown in the ending, no choices you made, no war assets, absolutely nothing.

There are variations but these reasons are pretty much the gist of what everyone ever complained about.

[GracefulChicken]

I think I'll just be keeping myself in the multiplayer forums when the EC comes out, even if it is decent (which, by the way, is all I want really). Generally, I think ME has a great fanbase full of smart people... but there is a noisy subgroup in there that's always going to hate whatever the EC turns out to be.

I'm not really expecting a whole lot from it if I'm honest. ME3s ending was shot, no amount of "clarifying" is going to help, just "changing". But, I am appreciative as a fan for the EC, since atleast Bioware is trying. I've said all along they understand why their fanbase is upset, and I'm betting quite a few are right there with us. Atleast saying "we ****ed up, here's how we're trying to right it the best we can with what we're working with," tells me some of my grievances were worth it.

Still, I'd be surprised if it turns out to be anything that drastically changes peoples opinions on the endings.

[Nomen Mendax]

Just to be cheerful, it's possible that the EC could make the endings worse. Imagine the current endings with voice-overs or cut-scenes that assume the audience are all morons ...

[AlanC9]

Mettyx wrote...I call bullsh*it on this assertion, what MANY different reasons?
Reasons are the same across the board:

1.introduction of a completely new critical character in the last minute

2.auto-dialog with said character breaking the tone of whole series which was always about choice, not auto-accepting assertions given by an unknown NPC

3.breaking the narrative coherence and genre of the whole series with the nonsensical implasuability of the choices and their impact

4.not a single damn thing is shown in the ending, no choices you made, no war assets, absolutely nothing.

There are variations but these reasons are pretty much the gist of what everyone ever complained about.

Just from threads I've read in the past week, you missed people being bothered by these things:

5: The exploding relays destroyed all the systems they were in

6: Destroying reaper tech means that starships no longer work. In some variants of this many other kinds of technology also stop working.

7: Normandy crashed on some unknown planet across the galaxy and is going to be completely out of touch with all other sentients for centuries, so either Tali and Garrus starve to death or everyone else will

8: The quarians and turians in Sol system are going to starve to death.

9: Everyone on the Citadel died

10: We don't learn anything about what happens to the galaxy or the companions after the ending. (This may be a subset of your point 4, which as written is an incoherent grab-bag.)

11: The Normandy shouldn't have been running away. Where was it going, anyway?

There are a few more, but I'm getting bored.

Points 5-9 are nonsense, but a lot of people believe them. Easy enough to clear that up in the EC, plus points 10 and 11 (though 11 will be interesting to see). Plus your point 2 -- if Shepard really wants to get into a pointless argument with an AI Bio might as well let him. And at least part of your point 4.

That leaves your points 1 and 3, plus some fraction of point 4.

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 mai 2012 - 10:05 .

[Atakuma]

To a lot of people it doesn't matter if it's any good or not. It's not what they wanted and therefor it's sucks by default.

[Lamepro]

Some People felt the choices in Mass Effect 3 were a rip off of the Matrix Trilogy not many people like the ending in the last Matrix movie and they did release an extended cut did that help save the franchise?

[Father_Jerusalem]

There's a difference between "good" and "what you specifically wanted".

If it's not what you specifically wanted, then no matter how "good" it is, people will still complain - that's just a statement of fact. For every person who says "it's not about a happy ending", there's a person saying "I want my happy ending!"

Not to mention some people are saying "We want Starchild taken out!" Well, BioWare's not going to do that, so no matter how "good" the rest of the EC is, people will complain that Starchild is still there.

The simple truth is, people are still going to complain about the EC, no matter what. And that's why, as much as I'm looking forward to it because I love having more to the ending, I almost wish BioWare hadn't decided to make it.

[grifter024]

simfamSP wrote...

Still, it's been what? Four months. They are either making a ton of wham-bang thank you ma'am DLCs and leaving a 5 minute clip of Shepard masturbating 'till last...

Sadly that is what they are probably doing and not the other way that you stated. When they needed to start up this new "Clarify," DLC that is coming out for free they said they had to "reschedule," their lineup of DLC.

More than likely they are putting most of their effort into new DLC maps as opposed to the EC and treating it like an ugly step child since it is basically telling Bio that they failed. You have all this hype going into 3 and botch it so bad no one remembers the name Mass Effect.

[exskeeny]

simfamSP wrote...

Still, it's been what? Four months.

What! Why the hell did I wait till March to get my copy!!!!