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[DaJe]

I fear the the OP said exactly what is going to happen.
Bioware think the only problem with the ending is lack of closure and that it's tooo sad and people can't handle an "adult" ending. I won't get into all the much bigger and more serious problems with it, BW had the chance to research and find out about this for months.

The resulting EC will most likely just touch up on these two problems in a non-interactive way.
The core of why this is not the ending the franchise deserves remains and people are going to complain. People are going to say stuff like "you had this one chance to get back your reputation" etc.

The gamble of releasing the game in this state is insulting enough. If the free EC, which should have been part of the main release, does not end this trillogy in a satisfying way there is going to be rage on one hand and resigning silence on the other.

Journalists are going to criticise the dissappointed fans as entilted brats again, without attempting to understand the problems again.
The out cry will be smaller, because of the silence from those who just gave up on BW and it will be easier this time arround to throw out phrases like "vocal minority".

Unless the EC is not what they said it is I can only forsee a sad ending for all this.

Modifié par DaJe, 18 mai 2012 - 10:00 .

[N7-RedFox]

StElmo wrote...



...the gaming media are going to poop on anyone who complains, sadly.

Why? Because anyone who is upset at the EC will look like a spoilt little brat, whining to mommy because he didn't get the christmas present he asked for.

They are going to be portrayed as a right dudley dursely and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

God, I hope the EC rocks, I couldn't stand more video game critics being condescending to ME fans, the lack of research or understanding of the issue is depressing.

I fully expect, and hope the EC will be good. I'm betting that it will be awesome. I just dread the potential articles that would come from a failure state - again, I think the EC will probably be good because there are a lot of things under wraps and no doubt we will all be surprised.

The EC DLC doesn't have to be a fail. Nor do Bioware have to break their beloved artistic integrity - EC can offer both. Here's How...

Assume Shepard was undergoing indoctrination - when he gets hit by Harbinger's blast, that disrupts the indoctrination process and Shepard's brain gets a chance to fight back while he's knocked out.

1) If you choose Blue Control ending - the indoctrination process kicks back in and Shep loses/dies
2) If you choose Green Synthesis ending - the indoctrination process kicks back in and Shep loses/gets turned into a Husk!
3) If you choose Red Destroy ending - the indoctrination process fails and Shep gains full control of his own mind again - wakes up in the rubble down in London. The extended cut begins here!

Shepard fights Harbinger and learns of Dark Energy plot (Reapers were designed to assimilate the greatest minds of the galaxy by harvesting DNA in order to become more intelligent and hopefully come up with a solution to stop Dark Energy from devouring the Universe) 

Shepard has a new choice - Destroy Harbinger in a Boss fight and learn that the Catalyst/Citadel is a Fail Safe switch that can terminate all Reapers by remote control. But then Organics must come up with a solution to stop Dark Energy themselves.

Alternatively, Shepard can betray Organics and send the Catalyst/Citadel hurtling towards Earth blowing up the whole planet and himself in the process. Reapers can continue their work to stop the Dark Energy

[brettc893]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ARE YOU READING THIS BIOWARE?!?!

HUDSON, BEHOLD THINE ANTITHESIS.

[Andromidius]

The EC could be amazing.

But if Bioware are to be believed (novel thought I know, but murphy's law does state that they'll be honest when we don't want them to be), they are just 'clarifying' things for us. Which is not a good thing.

What it should be is a Broken Steel style DLC. Or at least a plot hook for one that's on the way. That would please a lot of people - both people who dislike the current ending, and those who want the story to continue.

Time will tell.

[Jeffonl1]

I believe the EC will only bridge the apparent gap from the Star-child choices to why the Normandy is apparently fleeing the 'explosion'. Perhaps some more farewell cinematics.
Lets hope that will satisfy most fans, and let the EC be declared, by and large, a success. Or least the last word.

[Eyeofanger]

Is that retake movement still active? Haven't heard of it for a while

Tazzmission wrote...

StElmo wrote...



...the gaming media are going to poop on anyone who complains, sadly.

Why? Because anyone who is upset at the EC will look like a spoilt little brat, whining to mommy because he didn't get the christmas present he asked for.

to be fair though fans were labeled that basicly because alot of disgusting things were stated

that imopo is why gaming sites and media  even myself attacked the take back movment as a whole


if the new ec dlc dosent satisfy people ( and bioware even stated some fans may not be happy) those fans need to watch what they say because it takes one idiot to say something idiotic wich will affect others who dont share his or her statement


i mean cmon going to the ftc over a game is extreme dont you think?

[JamieCOTC]

StElmo wrote...


God, I hope the EC rocks, I couldn't stand more video game critics being condescending to ME fans, the lack of research or understanding of the issue is depressing.

Translation: I couldn't stand more people who believe their opnions to be more valid than others picking on a certain fanbase to feel self important and trendy. 

I hope the EC rocks too, but if it doesn't, I really don't care what a bunch of gaming "critics" think about my thoughts on the subject. 

[someone else]

BW is basically done with ME as an RPG - MP is the new direction because it generates a constant revenue stream and site traffic - EA's CEO stated he is committed to the microtransactional model for the company's future (see comments at last Annual Meeting)- the EC will be no more than a fig leaf - its sole purpose is to support the fiction that "BW listens to its fans" - the ending WILL NOT change - BW has stated this repeatedly.

Your hopes are empty, sadly - and no one is more disappointed than I. time to move on.

Modifié par someone else, 18 mai 2012 - 02:31 .

[Nomen Mendax]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

StElmo wrote...
...

Except that the portion of the fanbase that hate the ending are ALREADY acting like that.

Truth be told, Bioware has been very generous ever since ME3 released. Every DLC since From Ashes has been free to download. Sacrificing profits because they want to see us happy.

Players should consider themselves lucky that Bioware is listening at all. They could have easily just ceased all development like they did with Dragon Age II after months of fan bashing. But they are going out of their way when they don't need to.

Really, what's a hundred-thousand complaints about last installment of a multi-million dollar franchise? It's not like they have to worry about anybody not buying ME4. And obviously Dragon Age and the other titles' developers cant be blamed for anything the ME team may or may not have done because they have their own ideas for their projects. Even if fans kept it up and Bioware was closed down by EA, all the devs would just be re-assigned to other areas or go work for different companies and continue their work. Nothing would really change.

So really, you're just bashing your head against a wall for nothing. At the end of the day, nothing will be different, except for you nursing a serious migraine.

Have I missed something?  "Every DLC since Ashes" would presumably be Resurgence.  I assume that Resurgence was free not because Bioware is "sacrificing profits" but because it makes no sense to split the MP community by releasing new maps that only some people can play on and because they hope that people will buy MP card packs to get the new characters and weapons.

[Shepard108278]

CaptainTeabag wrote...

StElmo wrote...



...the gaming media are going to poop on anyone who complains, sadly.

Why? Because anyone who is upset at the EC will look like a spoilt little brat, whining to mommy because he didn't get the christmas present he asked for.

They are going to be portrayed as a right dudley dursely and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

God, I hope the EC rocks, I couldn't stand more video game critics being condescending to ME fans, the lack of research or understanding of the issue is depressing.

I fully expect, and hope the EC will be good. I'm betting that it will be awesome. I just dread the potential articles that would come from a failure state - again, I think the EC will probably be good because there are a lot of things under wraps and no doubt we will all be surprised.

The EC DLC doesn't have to be a fail. Nor do Bioware have to break their beloved artistic integrity - EC can offer both. Here's How...

Assume Shepard was undergoing indoctrination - when he gets hit by Harbinger's blast, that disrupts the indoctrination process and Shepard's brain gets a chance to fight back while he's knocked out.

1) If you choose Blue Control ending - the indoctrination process kicks back in and Shep loses/dies
2) If you choose Green Synthesis ending - the indoctrination process kicks back in and Shep loses/gets turned into a Husk!
3) If you choose Red Destroy ending - the indoctrination process fails and Shep gains full control of his own mind again - wakes up in the rubble down in London. The extended cut begins here!

Shepard fights Harbinger and learns of Dark Energy plot (Reapers were designed to assimilate the greatest minds of the galaxy by harvesting DNA in order to become more intelligent and hopefully come up with a solution to stop Dark Energy from devouring the Universe) 

Shepard has a new choice - Destroy Harbinger in a Boss fight and learn that the Catalyst/Citadel is a Fail Safe switch that can terminate all Reapers by remote control. But then Organics must come up with a solution to stop Dark Energy themselves.

Alternatively, Shepard can betray Organics and send the Catalyst/Citadel hurtling towards Earth blowing up the whole planet and himself in the process. Reapers can continue their work to stop the Dark Energy

Won't happen. And thank god since that would be a complete rewrite.

[Squallypo]

CaptainTeabag wrote...

StElmo wrote...



...the gaming media are going to poop on anyone who complains, sadly.

Why? Because anyone who is upset at the EC will look like a spoilt little brat, whining to mommy because he didn't get the christmas present he asked for.

They are going to be portrayed as a right dudley dursely and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

God, I hope the EC rocks, I couldn't stand more video game critics being condescending to ME fans, the lack of research or understanding of the issue is depressing.

I fully expect, and hope the EC will be good. I'm betting that it will be awesome. I just dread the potential articles that would come from a failure state - again, I think the EC will probably be good because there are a lot of things under wraps and no doubt we will all be surprised.

The EC DLC doesn't have to be a fail. Nor do Bioware have to break their beloved artistic integrity - EC can offer both. Here's How...

Assume Shepard was undergoing indoctrination - when he gets hit by Harbinger's blast, that disrupts the indoctrination process and Shepard's brain gets a chance to fight back while he's knocked out.

1) If you choose Blue Control ending - the indoctrination process kicks back in and Shep loses/dies
2) If you choose Green Synthesis ending - the indoctrination process kicks back in and Shep loses/gets turned into a Husk!
3) If you choose Red Destroy ending - the indoctrination process fails and Shep gains full control of his own mind again - wakes up in the rubble down in London. The extended cut begins here!

Shepard fights Harbinger and learns of Dark Energy plot (Reapers were designed to assimilate the greatest minds of the galaxy by harvesting DNA in order to become more intelligent and hopefully come up with a solution to stop Dark Energy from devouring the Universe) 

Shepard has a new choice - Destroy Harbinger in a Boss fight and learn that the Catalyst/Citadel is a Fail Safe switch that can terminate all Reapers by remote control. But then Organics must come up with a solution to stop Dark Energy themselves.

Alternatively, Shepard can betray Organics and send the Catalyst/Citadel hurtling towards Earth blowing up the whole planet and himself in the process. Reapers can continue their work to stop the Dark Energy

sounds better i guess with alittle changes that could work ?

[TweedleDee66]

bFootball wrote...

Like most I really, really want the EC to be successful. However, if the EC fails, the ME franchise is dead. No more DLC, no more games, nothing.

That’s for sure. BioWare has likely already lost me as a customer for any future games and ME3 downloads as it is (DA2 and ME3 rushed/stank overall) and I‘m sure they are already walking on a razors edge with other customers as well. A lot is riding on this EC that we shouldn’t have needed in the first place if those responsible gave a crap about the fans of the game series instead of this “Artistic integrity” crap.

If they had just made an ending that was on par with the endings we got in ME1 and ME2 or even one that made f’ing sense in the first place…

[100k]

DaJe wrote...
The resulting EC will most likely just touch up on these two problems in a non-interactive way.

ME3 was an almost entirely uninteractive experience (especially when in comparison to the other two games). Unless Bioware wants to remind fans about how great ME1 and ME2 were, I'm sure this DLC will just be another railroaded adventure story in which the fans' Shepards are gone, and Bioware's Shepard is present via autodialogue, pre-rendered cutscenes, etc.

[Atakuma]

bFootball wrote...

Like most I really, really want the EC to be successful. However, if the EC fails, the ME franchise is dead. No more DLC, no more games, nothing.

That's utter nonsense. The game made money, and that's the only reason they need to justify creating more content.

[mauro2222]

I hate when people voice ALL my concerns...

I need a hug!

Edit: off-topic... yay! My retake sig is up again.

Modifié par mauro2222, 18 mai 2012 - 04:49 .

[mopotter]

Tazzmission wrote...

bFootball wrote...

Like most I really, really want the EC to be successful. However, if the EC fails, the ME franchise is dead. No more DLC, no more games, nothing.

i think thats extreme mainly because im still playing it despite my feelings on the current ending

when they announce sp dlc yes im gona download it and i dont think 5 minutes of w/e should change that at all

I have played it through twice.   I have around 10 other Shepards that are in limbo.  If the dlc makes the endings less depressing for me I'll play ME3 again.  If not, it goes in my not bothering to play depressing pile and I'll move on to something else. 

I've been a rabid BW fan since KOTOR pre-ordering everything they do.  A regular fan prior to that.  The main thing this has done is stop the pre-orders.  And really, the dlc won't change that, it's too late.  But if they put out a good game with ending choices that include a non-depressing one I'll pick it up, after I find out for sure it has an ending I'm willing to pay for.

[Krosfiyah]

TweedleDee66 wrote...

bFootball wrote...

Like most I really, really want the EC to be successful. However, if the EC fails, the ME franchise is dead. No more DLC, no more games, nothing.

That’s for sure. BioWare has likely already lost me as a customer for any future games and ME3 downloads as it is (DA2 and ME3 rushed/stank overall) and I‘m sure they are already walking on a razors edge with other customers as well. A lot is riding on this EC that we shouldn’t have needed in the first place if those responsible gave a crap about the fans of the game series instead of this “Artistic integrity” crap.

If they had just made an ending that was on par with the endings we got in ME1 and ME2 or even one that made f’ing sense in the first place…

If they alreay lost you as a customer then why are you still here? You are ****in' full of **** - if not GTFO.

[Krakefer.ch]

all right, what if it fails ? Who cares anyway ? Diablo 3 is out.

Seriously, they listened to our griefs and acted. That's enough for me, I'm sure the EC will explain lots of things. Things like sword being oblirated and Hackett ordering Joker to get the **** out of that ****storm. Bah...

[jwalker]

The EC won't change the ending and it won't add new endings. That's their official statement. So everything that's wrong with the current one will still stand. I really don't see much reason for hope.

[Huntress]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

RaggieRags wrote...

The word "clarify" is making me expect some sort of a hand-puppet show. Because unlike the reviewers, we are obviously just too slow on the uptake.

I'm afraid no matter how it turns out, it's going to be too little too late. Lots of people have already given up on ME.

And here's the punch-line. It doesn't matter cause ME3 is the end of the franchise. They could call it a day and they wouldn't lose anything.

But despite that, they're going out of their way for people like you.

I hope you realize that you are wrong. is the end of mass effect 3 thats true but, they ( Bioware) is NOT making a dlc to make US happy, Bioware will not disolve after me3, they will continue trying to make new games/book/cash so in reallity they are making a DLC so their next project/game/comic book/whatever is not over shadow with BLUE/GREEN/RED of vile/rage/hate.*
This game is over but, others will follow and sadly we are still here with the memory of what could have been and how it fails.

*vile:
adj
1. abominably wicked
2. morally despicable; ignoble vile accusations
3. disgusting to the senses or emotions; foul a vile smell vile epithets
4. tending to humiliate or degrade only slaves would perform such vile tasks
5. unpleasant or bad vile weather
6. paltry a vile reward

from Old French vil, from Latin vīlis cheap

Modifié par Huntress, 18 mai 2012 - 06:38 .

[TweedleDee66]

Krosfiyah wrote...

TweedleDee66 wrote...

bFootball wrote...

Like most I really, really want the EC to be successful. However, if the EC fails, the ME franchise is dead. No more DLC, no more games, nothing.

That’s for sure. BioWare has likely already lost me as a customer for any future games and ME3 downloads as it is (DA2 and ME3 rushed/stank overall) and I‘m sure they are already walking on a razors edge with other customers as well. A lot is riding on this EC that we shouldn’t have needed in the first place if those responsible gave a crap about the fans of the game series instead of this “Artistic integrity” crap.

If they had just made an ending that was on par with the endings we got in ME1 and ME2 or even one that made f’ing sense in the first place…

If they alreay lost you as a customer then why are you still here? You are ****in' full of **** - if not GTFO.

Please learn to read. I said LIKELY already lost me. I even bolded and underlined it for you here and above in the orignal text so you can see it more clearly. Its people like you that make this forum such a joy to be a part of. So full of themselves and eager to jump down the throats with insulting comments with everyone who has a viewpoint different from your little minds can tolerate.

Why don’t you go troll someplace else since you obviously are just that, a troll, going by your comments you have posted in other threads here.

Modifié par TweedleDee66, 18 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[feliciano2040]

themikefest wrote...

if ec ffails no one will buy any dlc that is released and reduces the chance of a possible me4

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I can't believe anyone would believe this.

Retakers will be the first people to buy both the DLC and ME 4.

[WhiteKnyght]

Huntress wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

RaggieRags wrote...

The word "clarify" is making me expect some sort of a hand-puppet show. Because unlike the reviewers, we are obviously just too slow on the uptake.

I'm afraid no matter how it turns out, it's going to be too little too late. Lots of people have already given up on ME.

And here's the punch-line. It doesn't matter cause ME3 is the end of the franchise. They could call it a day and they wouldn't lose anything.

But despite that, they're going out of their way for people like you.

I hope you realize that you are wrong. is the end of mass effect 3 thats true but, they ( Bioware) is NOT making a dlc to make US happy, Bioware will not disolve after me3, they will continue trying to make new games/book/cash so in reallity they are making a DLC so their next project/game/comic book/whatever is not over shadow with BLUE/GREEN/RED of vile/rage/hate.*
This game is over but, others will follow and sadly we are still here with the memory of what could have been and how it fails.

*vile:
adj
1. abominably wicked
2. morally despicable; ignoble vile accusations
3. disgusting to the senses or emotions; foul a vile smell vile epithets
4. tending to humiliate or degrade only slaves would perform such vile tasks
5. unpleasant or bad vile weather
6. paltry a vile reward

from Old French vil, from Latin vīlis cheap

And I hope you realize is that no matter how much people dislike the ending of Mass Effect 3, it's arguably five minutes of a game that was well written and executed in absolutely every other way.

I would compare the protests about Mass Effect 3 to the planned protest against Sony awhile back. People complained a lot online beforehand, but when it came time to act, hardly anybody showed up at their stores, and half of those who did, ended up leaving after purchasing stuff.

It's real easy to b!tch and act tough online. But the ending haters would wimp out if ever called to meet publicly.

[TheRealJayDee]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

And I hope you realize is that no matter how much people dislike the ending of Mass Effect 3, it's arguably five minutes of a game that was well written and executed in absolutely every other way.

You serious?

[AlanC9]

C'mon, Jay.... you must have seen all the posts about ME3 being a great game up until the last five minutes. Grey Nayr was overstating it a little, of course.