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[jijeebo]

If ITers want people to respect their theory then they need to show the same respect for people who chose Control and Synthesis and stop trying to destroy their ending.


If you're entitled to think Sheps indoc, other people are entitled to believe the Catalyst.


Simple.

[Iwillbeback]

If I didn't know better I would believe Mass effect was a tale given to a kid.
The old man tried to let the kid have choices and and sex partners but in the end it was only going to end one way.
The old man asked him is favorite color and what should be done to a robot.
The little boy gave his opinion on what should be done to the robot.
The little boy wanted to merge himself with the robot instead of controlling or destroying it.

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 17 mai 2012 - 08:53 .

[MisterJB]

balance5050 wrote...
Because every cycle has a group that tries to do that and THEY ALWAYS ARE INDOCTRINATED.

Or they are indocrinated because they try to control them which is impossible unless you can build the Crucible.
What came first? The Control or the Indocrination?

If in ME2 TIM was already planning to control the Reapers while activelly working to destroy the Collectors, then the Indocrination must have come later, after he implanted himself with Reaper technology.
If TIM was indocrinated all along, why didn't Sovereign use Cerberus along with Saren, the geth and krogans? Just plant the idea in TIM's head that opening the Citadel would speed up his plans to control the Reapers.
If TIM was indocrinated all along, why attack Sanctuary? Clearly, it wasn't a threat.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 mai 2012 - 08:53 .

[balance5050]

LOL at the folks that start circle-jerking when they can't keep up with the actual conversation.

[ZackG312]

kookie28 wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

Who killed JFK?

Indoctrinated Shepard, obviously. The only way there could be more than one shooter is if the entire thing happened in Shepard's head. When he wakes up in the rubble, JFK will be there helping rebuild humanity.

Yes, and Harbinger did 9/11

Absolutely! If only more people were aware of the clearly obvious clues, they'd know the facts.

ME3 TRUTH!  DEMAND THE TRUTH FROM CONGRESS

if we go to congress we all know nothing would get done

[TsaiMeLemoni]

jijeebo wrote...

If ITers want people to respect their theory then they need to show the same respect for people who chose Control and Synthesis and stop trying to destroy their ending.


If you're entitled to think Sheps indoc, other people are entitled to believe the Catalyst.


Simple.

But don't you see the Evidences? All of them, all around us?

[balance5050]

MisterJB wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
Because every cycle has a group that tries to do that and THEY ALWAYS ARE INDOCTRINATED.

Or they are indocrinated because they try to control them which is impossible unless you can build the Crucible.
What came first? The Control or the Indocrination?

If in ME2 TIM was already planning to control the Reapers while activelly working to destroy the Collectors, then the Indocrination must have come later, after he implanted himself with Reaper technology.
If TIM was indocrinated all along, why didn't Sovereign use Cerberus along with Saren, the geth and krogans? Just plant the idea in TIM's head that opening the Citadel would speed up his plans to control the Reapers.

The control comes first.... the moment one loses the will to fight/destroy the reapers is when one becomes indocatrinated.

[ZackG312]

jijeebo wrote...

If ITers want people to respect their theory then they need to show the same respect for people who chose Control and Synthesis and stop trying to destroy their ending.


If you're entitled to think Sheps indoc, other people are entitled to believe the Catalyst.


Simple.

I think IT makes it so that end hasnt happened. Possible DLC 

[ZackG312]

MisterJB wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
Because every cycle has a group that tries to do that and THEY ALWAYS ARE INDOCTRINATED.

Or they are indocrinated because they try to control them which is impossible unless you can build the Crucible.
What came first? The Control or the Indocrination?

If in ME2 TIM was already planning to control the Reapers while activelly working to destroy the Collectors, then the Indocrination must have come later, after he implanted himself with Reaper technology.
If TIM was indocrinated all along, why didn't Sovereign use Cerberus along with Saren, the geth and krogans? Just plant the idea in TIM's head that opening the Citadel would speed up his plans to control the Reapers.
If TIM was indocrinated all along, why attack Sanctuary? Clearly, it wasn't a threat.

I think TIM wanted the INFO that was on the collectors base. He didnt care how many people he put in danger or lost.

[Ji99saw]

BatmanTurian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I like the IT... as fanfiction, because is no other thing.

Sometimes the "evidence" is rather funny, like "Hey! It's the same white light, indoctrination!" or "Shepard has blue eyes, like TIM, indoctrination!"

Se, this is the problem. You choose to express your opinion by belittling those of a differing opinion. Many believers do this too. In both cases it's wrong and should stop.

But it is Fan Fiction until it is actually confirmed by Bioware, So he is Right

Noooo... it's an interpretation of the ending. Do you belittle anyone who gives their opinion on what happened at the end of 2001 by calling them silly fanfic writers?

This. An interpretation is not fanfic. If I write a story where Shepard went on a date with Harbinger, that would be fanfiction ( and really stupid). A literary interpretation is not the same as shipping characters and writing alternate realities.

Stop just Stop, because your telling me just because you Think something  happened a certain way in a Story and has never been confirmed by the Creators of that story is true because you interpreted it that way? WOW!

So we can say whatever we want and it's Lore because that's the way I interpret it?

By the way it was all a bedtime story given by Stargazer and none of it actually happened that's the way I interpret it and that scene now makes sense

Modifié par Ji99saw, 17 mai 2012 - 09:01 .

[jijeebo]

@TsaiMeLemoni

Unfortunately I'm not intelligent enough to see it, or so I've been told repeatedly.

[MisterJB]

balance5050 wrote...
The control comes first.... the moment one loses the will to fight/destroy the reapers is when one becomes indocatrinated.

How Neandertal.
Also, you didn't present an argument supporting your theory that TIM was indocrinated since the beginning. Just spouted some absolutism.

If TIM was indocrinated since "Evolution" why didn't Sovereign use him? Why did he help Shepard destroy the Collectors rather than deliver his corpse to Harbinger? 
Why was Sanctuary attacked by the Reapers if the Indocrination did not come later thus rendering TIM harmless?

[mauro2222]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The IT is hilarious, I don't hate it at all. It's fun seeing a bunch of self-deluded fanboys think their pulp schlock story done by "writers" who wouldn't get hired to even write trashy soap opera eps actually has that kind of subtlety.

If you hate Bioware and their writers, then why the f*** are you here?

Amazing ability to put words in other's mouths.

[Kreid]

I don't hate IT, what I hate is when people start wielding it like it's the *only* way to "save" the endings and gets offended when anyone else disagree with them or say it isn't true. It used to be a clever theory which provided some fun and speculation, now is some kind of cult thing that can't be questioned without a barrage of people either calling you out or directing you to the video.

[RavenEyry]

Ji99saw wrote...

Stop just Stop, because your telling me just because you Think something  happened a certain way in a Story and has never been confirmed by the Creators of that story is true because you interpreted it that way? WOW!

So we can say whatever we want and it's Lore because that's the way I interpret it?

No, I'm saying I'm entitled to my opinion and entitled to have others not belittle me for my opinion. You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't give you the right to be rude to those who don't share it.

[UrgentArchengel]

Question. What plot holes does IT have? Just curious, like a healthy human should be.

[dreamgazer]

ZackG312 wrote...

Why do you guys get angry and try to destroy other's theory about the game. It doesnt hurt or offend you. I dont believe Bioware could write something as complex as IT but if some people like it, I dont go into threads arguing. I let them have their theories and fun, Isnt that what the creators of Mass Effect wanted speculation from everyone. 

RavenEyry wrote...

Noooo... it's an interpretation of the ending. Do you belittle anyone who gives their opinion on what happened at the end of 2001 by calling them silly fanfic writers?

These two both speak the truth, and they encompass my thoughts on the whole thing.  

No need for calculated, snarky bile and rabble-rousing---all you're doing is adding fuel to the fire, often intentionally.

[Rip504]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Question. What plot holes does IT have? Just curious, like a healthy human should be.

When and where Shepard is exposed to all this Reaper tech and indoctrination.
Specifics please.

Edit: Could a "fan's" "Interpretation" be considered a fanfic? As it is a piece of fiction created from a fan's mind?

Modifié par Rip504, 17 mai 2012 - 09:03 .

[mauro2222]

MisterJB wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
The control comes first.... the moment one loses the will to fight/destroy the reapers is when one becomes indocatrinated.

How Neandertal.
Also, you didn't present an argument supporting your theory that TIM was indocrinated since the beginning. Just spouted some absolutism.

If TIM was indocrinated since "Evolution" why didn't Sovereign use him? Why did he help Shepard destroy the Collectors rather than deliver his corpse to Harbinger? 
Why was Sanctuary attacked by the Reapers if the Indocrination did not come later thus rendering TIM harmless?

My take on this is that indoc., or the huskification process... works 95% of the times. The other 5%, it drives you crazy and adds a little bit of lust for power. That's why TIM it's a threat to the Reapers than an asset.

[3Minotaur3]

Creid-X wrote...

I don't hate IT, what I hate is when people start wielding it like it's the *only* way to "save" the endings and gets offended when anyone else disagree with them or say it isn't true. It used to be a clever theory which provided some fun and speculation, now is some kind of cult thing that can't be questioned without a barrage of people either calling you out or directing you to the video.

Indeed...

So indoctrinated by the indoctination theory they are, that if you talk against it, you're guilty of Heresy and burned (flamed)... virtually...

Don't even try to argue in the 2000+ pages indoctrination thread... It's their holy ground... and the Inquisition is in full force...

Modifié par 3Minotaur3, 17 mai 2012 - 09:06 .

[dreamgazer]

Ji99saw wrote...

Stop just Stop, because your telling me just because you Think something happened a certain way in a Story and has never been confirmed by the Creators of that story is true because you interpreted it that way? WOW!

That's exactly what's being said. (laughs) It happens all the time across a ton of different forms of media and---(groans)---art.

[balance5050]

MisterJB wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
The control comes first.... the moment one loses the will to fight/destroy the reapers is when one becomes indocatrinated.

How Neandertal.
Also, you didn't present an argument supporting your theory that TIM was indocrinated since the beginning. Just spouted some absolutism.

If TIM was indocrinated since "Evolution" why didn't Sovereign use him? Why did he help Shepard destroy the Collectors rather than deliver his corpse to Harbinger? 
Why was Sanctuary attacked by the Reapers if the Indocrination did not come later thus rendering TIM harmless?

His role was to be the leader of the splinter group that tries to control the reapers, this splinter group exists in EVERY cycle, it's another layer of control and it's why Reaper artifacts are scattered around the galaxy to begin with; to indoctrinate people. Refer to The A.I. on Thessia, The Arrival DLC, and Evolution for the info.

[UrgentArchengel]

Rip504 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Question. What plot holes does IT have? Just curious, like a healthy human should be.

When and where Shepard is exposed to all this Reaper tech and indoctrination.
Specifics please.

Edit: Could a "fan's" "Interpretation" be considered a fanfic? As it is a peice of fiction created from a fan's mind?

Shep get exposed to reaper tech through out all of ME.  Indoctrinarion?  The only thing I can think of would be Object Rho, which nobody can deny, affected his mind due to the vision it give Shep.  Of course Arrival didn't happen for some people.

[mauro2222]

dreamgazer wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

Why do you guys get angry and try to destroy other's theory about the game. It doesnt hurt or offend you. I dont believe Bioware could write something as complex as IT but if some people like it, I dont go into threads arguing. I let them have their theories and fun, Isnt that what the creators of Mass Effect wanted speculation from everyone. 

RavenEyry wrote...

Noooo... it's an interpretation of the ending. Do you belittle anyone who gives their opinion on what happened at the end of 2001 by calling them silly fanfic writers?

These two both speak the truth, and they encompass my thoughts on the whole thing.  

No need for calculated, snarky bile and rabble-rousing---all you're doing is adding fuel to the fire, often intentionally.

Actually, he's the one insulting. I said fan fiction, nothing more, he considers fan fic writers to be silly.
IT is fanfiction. FAN - FICTION, they are all fans who then create fiction according to what they see.