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[balance5050]

RavenEyry wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

I wasn't being rude I just wanted to know of what was just said to me.

BTW I have my own ending, I was all a Bedtime Story by Stargazer to put his grandson to sleep. That's how I interpret it and it has to be true Right? And everyone is entiltled to thei own opinion but when you try to state that it is absolute truth and everyone else is dumb expect to run into problems

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted you. I agree with you, neither side should express their opinion as fact.

This I agree with, nothing we say should be taken as anything more than speculation, very very thorough speculation.

Modifié par balance5050, 17 mai 2012 - 09:21 .

[BatmanTurian]

RavenEyry wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

I wasn't being rude I just wanted to know of what was just said to me.

BTW I have my own ending, I was all a Bedtime Story by Stargazer to put his grandson to sleep. That's how I interpret it and it has to be true Right? And everyone is entiltled to thei own opinion but when you try to state that it is absolute truth and everyone else is dumb expect to run into problems

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted you. I agree with you, neither side should express their opinion as fact.

No he was being rude and I was not calling my interpretation fact. He put words in my mouth and acted flippant.

[Ji99saw]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I like the IT... as fanfiction, because is no other thing.

Sometimes the "evidence" is rather funny, like "Hey! It's the same white light, indoctrination!" or "Shepard has blue eyes, like TIM, indoctrination!"

Se, this is the problem. You choose to express your opinion by belittling those of a differing opinion. Many believers do this too. In both cases it's wrong and should stop.

But it is Fan Fiction until it is actually confirmed by Bioware, So he is Right

Noooo... it's an interpretation of the ending. Do you belittle anyone who gives their opinion on what happened at the end of 2001 by calling them silly fanfic writers?

This. An interpretation is not fanfic. If I write a story where Shepard went on a date with Harbinger, that would be fanfiction ( and really stupid). A literary interpretation is not the same as shipping characters and writing alternate realities.

Stop just Stop, because your telling me just because you Think something  happened a certain way in a Story and has never been confirmed by the Creators of that story is true because you interpreted it that way? WOW!

So we can say whatever we want and it's Lore because that's the way I interpret it?

By the way it was all a bedtime story given by Stargazer and none of it actually happened that's the way I interpret it and that scene now makes sense

I never said it was lore or canon. Don't put words in my mouth. An interpretation is just that: an opinion on what the events and people in a story mean or symbolize. Fan-fiction and Literary Interpretation are not the same thing. You obviously did not pay attention in English class or whatever class it is in your country where you analyze stories like Of Mice and Men and The Outsiders.

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)

[TsaiMeLemoni]

UrgentArchengel wrote...


Who is calling you an idiot?  I am not.  Honestly, I couldn't give a crap whether IT is real or not.  Just wish I wasn't called dogmatic for like ing it.

Last part wasn't aimed specifically at you, but the other IT Crowd members throughout just this thread who are close-minded.

Sorry if that personally offended you, I think I am becoming a little too jaded with this whole thing.

[balance5050]

Ji99saw wrote...

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)

Just because it's opinion doesn't mean we're going to stop talking about it.... it's the internet, you should be able to assume that.

[UrgentArchengel]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...


Who is calling you an idiot?  I am not.  Honestly, I couldn't give a crap whether IT is real or not.  Just wish I wasn't called dogmatic for like ing it.

Last part wasn't aimed specifically at you, but the other IT Crowd members throughout just this thread who are close-minded.

Sorry if that personally offended you, I think I am becoming a little too jaded with this whole thing.

It's cool.  I was mainly speaking in general.  This whole thing has jaded me too.  I was once a very level headed boy, now I am an angry man.  That's what happens when you fight in the Fourth Crusade.  Lol.

[UrgentArchengel]

Staring tomorrow, I am going to be Anti-IT, and see the other side of the argument for a while. Should be fun.

[BatmanTurian]

Ji99saw wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I like the IT... as fanfiction, because is no other thing.

Sometimes the "evidence" is rather funny, like "Hey! It's the same white light, indoctrination!" or "Shepard has blue eyes, like TIM, indoctrination!"

Se, this is the problem. You choose to express your opinion by belittling those of a differing opinion. Many believers do this too. In both cases it's wrong and should stop.

But it is Fan Fiction until it is actually confirmed by Bioware, So he is Right

Noooo... it's an interpretation of the ending. Do you belittle anyone who gives their opinion on what happened at the end of 2001 by calling them silly fanfic writers?

This. An interpretation is not fanfic. If I write a story where Shepard went on a date with Harbinger, that would be fanfiction ( and really stupid). A literary interpretation is not the same as shipping characters and writing alternate realities.

Stop just Stop, because your telling me just because you Think something  happened a certain way in a Story and has never been confirmed by the Creators of that story is true because you interpreted it that way? WOW!

So we can say whatever we want and it's Lore because that's the way I interpret it?

By the way it was all a bedtime story given by Stargazer and none of it actually happened that's the way I interpret it and that scene now makes sense

I never said it was lore or canon. Don't put words in my mouth. An interpretation is just that: an opinion on what the events and people in a story mean or symbolize. Fan-fiction and Literary Interpretation are not the same thing. You obviously did not pay attention in English class or whatever class it is in your country where you analyze stories like Of Mice and Men and The Outsiders.

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)

 YOU haven't been paying attention. I said it was a literary interpretation, which makes it up in the air. I don't pretend it is the tuth. You are building a strawman. 

A literary interpretation is not fan fiction. Fan fiction is making up things wholesale. Interpretation is looking at and analyzing events and characters in a film or literature (a story) at a different angle than what is presented as-is.

[balance5050]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Staring tomorrow, I am going to be Anti-IT, and see the other side of the argument for a while. Should be fun.

Ooh, take notes.... you'll be like Jane Goodall

I keed, I keed....

[TsaiMeLemoni]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Staring tomorrow, I am going to be Anti-IT, and see the other side of the argument for a while. Should be fun.

Good luck, honestly. Maybe we Anti-IT just aren't as hopeful as you guys are.

[BatmanTurian]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Staring tomorrow, I am going to be Anti-IT, and see the other side of the argument for a while. Should be fun.

Good luck, honestly. Maybe we Anti-IT just aren't as hopeful as you guys are.

In many cases, I think it comes down to this. And that's okay if you're jaded. We all hated the endings.

[Ji99saw]

balance5050 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)

Just because it's opinion doesn't mean we're going to stop talking about it.... it's the internet, you should be able to assume that.

When did I ever say you should stop talking about it?? Stop trying to make me sound like jerk.

[BatmanTurian]

Ji99saw wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)

Just because it's opinion doesn't mean we're going to stop talking about it.... it's the internet, you should be able to assume that.

When did I ever say you should stop talking about it?? Stop trying to make me sound like jerk.

He's not making you sound like a jerk, you ARE being a jerk. To me.

[balance5050]

Ji99saw wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)

Just because it's opinion doesn't mean we're going to stop talking about it.... it's the internet, you should be able to assume that.

When did I ever say you should stop talking about it?? Stop trying to make me sound like jerk.

Well than we will, just try not to get angry about it;)

[UrgentArchengel]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Guys, www.youtube.com/watch

Therfore all your arguments are invalid.

Your video just invalidated(sp?) itself.

Namely my phone won't load it.  Lol. 

[The Protheans]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Guys, www.youtube.com/watch

Therfore all your arguments are invalid.

Your video just invalidated(sp?) itself.

Namely my phone won't load it.  Lol. 

Basically it said "No matter how much to try believe it didn't actually happen, it did happen and it is f**king ****".

[incinerator950]

I invalidate you

Modifié par incinerator950, 17 mai 2012 - 09:47 .

[mauro2222]

balance5050 wrote...

They don't actaully fight eachother until you get to Sanctuary.

"It's about time they started fighing eachother." -Shepard

...You got to be kidding me.

[Bob3terd]

IT has become quiet preachy of late, and IT does have compelling arguments, unfortunatly a lot of people have come up with crappy ones. Regardless of wether IT is true or not fallacies must be exposed.

[Ji99saw]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I like the IT... as fanfiction, because is no other thing.

Sometimes the "evidence" is rather funny, like "Hey! It's the same white light, indoctrination!" or "Shepard has blue eyes, like TIM, indoctrination!"

Se, this is the problem. You choose to express your opinion by belittling those of a differing opinion. Many believers do this too. In both cases it's wrong and should stop.

But it is Fan Fiction until it is actually confirmed by Bioware, So he is Right

Noooo... it's an interpretation of the ending. Do you belittle anyone who gives their opinion on what happened at the end of 2001 by calling them silly fanfic writers?

This. An interpretation is not fanfic. If I write a story where Shepard went on a date with Harbinger, that would be fanfiction ( and really stupid). A literary interpretation is not the same as shipping characters and writing alternate realities.

Stop just Stop, because your telling me just because you Think something  happened a certain way in a Story and has never been confirmed by the Creators of that story is true because you interpreted it that way? WOW!

So we can say whatever we want and it's Lore because that's the way I interpret it?

By the way it was all a bedtime story given by Stargazer and none of it actually happened that's the way I interpret it and that scene now makes sense

I never said it was lore or canon. Don't put words in my mouth. An interpretation is just that: an opinion on what the events and people in a story mean or symbolize. Fan-fiction and Literary Interpretation are not the same thing. You obviously did not pay attention in English class or whatever class it is in your country where you analyze stories like Of Mice and Men and The Outsiders.

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)

 YOU haven't been paying attention. I said it was a literary interpretation, which makes it up in the air. I don't pretend it is the tuth. You are building a strawman. 

A literary interpretation is not fan fiction. Fan fiction is making up things wholesale. Interpretation is looking at and analyzing events and characters in a film or literature (a story) at a different angle than what is presented as-is.

It is actually you who is atempting a red herring by trying change the subject at hand. I simply said at the begining until it is confirmed it did not happen. You are trying to make an argument of Interpitation and Fan fiction and how they are  some how different even though they both alter the narraitive in one way or another given another persons perspective of the events presented. Wheather it's because you just completly made it up or because you think you see clues to a different conclusion is uniportant because they mean the same thing to me. You can word it or call it what ever but at the end of the day I will stick by IT= Fan Fiction until comfirmed by Bioware

[Ieldra]

ZackG312 wrote...
Why do you guys get angry and try to destroy other's theory about the game. It doesnt hurt or offend you. I dont believe Bioware could write something as complex as IT but if some people like it, I dont go into threads arguing. I let them have their theories and fun, Isnt that what the creators of Mass Effect wanted speculation from everyone.

Just thought I would ask since I see alot of people that HATE IT.

I disagree with IT as a hypothesis about ME3's ending.

I HATE it because of the "Destroy is the only option" fundamentalists who are lobbying for Bioware to implement it in the EC, telling others "Destroy is the only option", "haha, you're indoctrinated" and coming off as jerks who try to invalidate other people's ending choices, thereby ruining their games. I think all the options are good in their own way, and anyone who actively works to invalidate them by lobbying for Bioware to remove any one as a good and valid choice to end the Reaper threat I count as a hypcrite and fundamentalist who asks for more choices in the game for himself but works to deprive others of theirs.

Perhaps it would be more correct to say that I hate a significant subset of the IT supporters, namely those who say "Destroy is the only option" and that if you think differently, you're thinking wrong. That's accusing me of mental deficiency. Perhaps you can imagine how that comes across.

[BatmanTurian]

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

[quote] Ji99saw wrote...


It is actually you who is atempting a red herring by trying change the subject at hand. I simply said at the begining until it is confirmed it did not happen. You are trying to make an argument of Interpitation and Fan fiction and how they are  some how different even though they both alter the narraitive in one way or another given another persons perspective of the events presented. Wheather it's because you just completly made it up or because you think you see clues to a different conclusion is uniportant because they mean the same thing to me. You can word it or call it what ever but at the end of the day I will stick by IT= Fan Fiction until comfirmed by Bioware

[/quote]

I'm not changing the subject, you outright said that I was posing the IT as truth, but I wasn't.  AGAIN it's not fan fiction. It's a literary interpretation about the story. All interpretations are made up based on what the interpreter thinks the story means. Did you EVER take English Lit?

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 17 mai 2012 - 10:01 .

[Ji99saw]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)

Just because it's opinion doesn't mean we're going to stop talking about it.... it's the internet, you should be able to assume that.

When did I ever say you should stop talking about it?? Stop trying to make me sound like jerk.

He's not making you sound like a jerk, you ARE being a jerk. To me.

I'm just Stating my opinion just like everyone else just because I don't agree with anything you say does not make me a jerk