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Ji99saw wrote...

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That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)



Just because it's opinion doesn't mean we're going to stop talking about it.... it's the internet, you should be able to assume that.


When did I ever say you should stop talking about it?? Stop trying to make me sound like jerk.


He's not making you sound like a jerk, you ARE being a jerk. To me.


I'm just Stating my opinion just like everyone else just because I don't agree with anything you say does not make me a jerk


Except that you put words in my mouth and make baseless assumptions and then argue that I believe those words and assumptions when my simply SAYING it's a literary interpretation debunks your assumtions and words in my mouth that I believe IT to be absolutely true.

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Why do you guys get angry and try to destroy other's theory about the game. It doesnt hurt or offend you. I dont believe Bioware could write something as complex as IT but if some people like it, I dont go into threads arguing. I let them have their theories and fun, Isnt that what the creators of Mass Effect wanted speculation from everyone.

Just thought I would ask since I see alot of people that HATE IT.

I disagree with IT as a hypothesis about ME3's ending.

I HATE it because of the "Destroy is the only option" fundamentalists who are lobbying for Bioware to implement it in the EC, telling others "Destroy is the only option", "haha, you're indoctrinated" and coming off as jerks who try to invalidate other people's ending choices, thereby ruining their games. I think all the options are good in their own way, and anyone who actively works to invalidate them by lobbying for Bioware to remove any one as a good and valid choice to end the Reaper threat I count as a hypcrite and fundamentalist who asks for more choices in the game for himself but works to deprive others of theirs.

Perhaps it would be more correct to say that I hate a significant subset of the IT supporters, namely those who say "Destroy is the only option" and that if you think differently, you're thinking wrong. That's accusing me of mental deficiency. Perhaps you can imagine how that comes across.


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The fact of the matter is that fan fiction is the incorrect term to use at the moment. As for IT, it's currently a theory/concept/idea/thought as to what the ending of ME3 is supposed to mean. It will continue to be a theory/concept/idea/thought until the EC is released and the IT is either disproven or proven correct. If it is disproven, then you can actually correctly call it fan fiction. 

Regardless of this though, can we just stop arguing semantics?

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incinerator950 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

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Why do you guys get angry and try to destroy other's theory about the game. It doesnt hurt or offend you. I dont believe Bioware could write something as complex as IT but if some people like it, I dont go into threads arguing. I let them have their theories and fun, Isnt that what the creators of Mass Effect wanted speculation from everyone.

Just thought I would ask since I see alot of people that HATE IT.

I disagree with IT as a hypothesis about ME3's ending.

I HATE it because of the "Destroy is the only option" fundamentalists who are lobbying for Bioware to implement it in the EC, telling others "Destroy is the only option", "haha, you're indoctrinated" and coming off as jerks who try to invalidate other people's ending choices, thereby ruining their games. I think all the options are good in their own way, and anyone who actively works to invalidate them by lobbying for Bioware to remove any one as a good and valid choice to end the Reaper threat I count as a hypcrite and fundamentalist who asks for more choices in the game for himself but works to deprive others of theirs.

Perhaps it would be more correct to say that I hate a significant subset of the IT supporters, namely those who say "Destroy is the only option" and that if you think differently, you're thinking wrong. That's accusing me of mental deficiency. Perhaps you can imagine how that comes across.


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Why do you guys get angry and try to destroy other's theory about the game. It doesnt hurt or offend you. I dont believe Bioware could write something as complex as IT but if some people like it, I dont go into threads arguing. I let them have their theories and fun, Isnt that what the creators of Mass Effect wanted speculation from everyone.

Just thought I would ask since I see alot of people that HATE IT.

I disagree with IT as a hypothesis about ME3's ending.

I HATE it because of the "Destroy is the only option" fundamentalists who are lobbying for Bioware to implement it in the EC, telling others "Destroy is the only option", "haha, you're indoctrinated" and coming off as jerks who try to invalidate other people's ending choices, thereby ruining their games. I think all the options are good in their own way, and anyone who actively works to invalidate them by lobbying for Bioware to remove any one as a good and valid choice to end the Reaper threat I count as a hypcrite and fundamentalist who asks for more choices in the game for himself but works to deprive others of theirs.

Perhaps it would be more correct to say that I hate a significant subset of the IT supporters, namely those who say "Destroy is the only option" and that if you think differently, you're thinking wrong. That's accusing me of mental deficiency. Perhaps you can imagine how that comes across.


Personally, I don't find you mentally-deficient. You seem quite intelligent. I just believe that you wish your Shepard to follow the same doctrine as Saren. It seems wrong to me, but it might be right to you. That's my fundamental disagreement.
However, I can understand that you might believe Saren MAY have meant the species of the galaxy becoming Reapers and did not know about the crucible/catalyst's option to merge man and machine in a literal synthesis that has nothing to do with genocide. If so, then I believe your logic is sound.

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BatmanTurian wrote...
Personally, I don't find you mentally-deficient. You seem quite intelligent. I just believe that you wish your Shepard to follow the same doctrine as Saren. It seems wrong to me, but it might be right to you. That's my fundamental disagreement. 
However, I can understand that you might believe Saren MAY have meant the species of the galaxy becoming Reapers and did not know about the crucible/catalyst's option to merge man and machine in a literal synthesis that has nothing to do with genocide. If so, then I believe your logic is sound.

You do understand that Saren's ideals are irrelevant right? You were stopping Saren because he wanted to bring genocidad machines to the Galaxy not because of his ideology, or are you saying every transhumanist out there is "bad".

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Personally, I don't find you mentally-deficient. You seem quite intelligent. I just believe that you wish your Shepard to follow the same doctrine as Saren. It seems wrong to me, but it might be right to you. That's my fundamental disagreement. 

However, I can understand that you might believe Saren MAY have meant the species of the galaxy becoming Reapers and did not know about the crucible/catalyst's option to merge man and machine in a literal synthesis that has nothing to do with genocide. If so, then I believe your logic is sound.

You do understand that Saren's ideals are irrelevant right? You were stopping Saren because he wanted to brin genocidad machines to the Galaxy not his ideology, or else you'd be insulting every transhumanist out there.


Yes, that's what I was saying in the second paragraph.

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Personally, I don't find you mentally-deficient. You seem quite intelligent. I just believe that you wish your Shepard to follow the same doctrine as Saren. It seems wrong to me, but it might be right to you. That's my fundamental disagreement. 
However, I can understand that you might believe Saren MAY have meant the species of the galaxy becoming Reapers and did not know about the crucible/catalyst's option to merge man and machine in a literal synthesis that has nothing to do with genocide. If so, then I believe your logic is sound.

You do understand that Saren's ideals are irrelevant right? You were stopping Saren because he wanted to brin genocidad machines to the Galaxy not his ideology, or else you'd be insulting every transhumanist out there.


Something fooled him into believeing that ideaology, that ideaology is what caused him to become indoctrinated. he was trying to bring in genocidal machines BECAUSE he was indoctrinated BECAUSE of his ideaology. It all connects ok?

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balance5050 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

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Personally, I don't find you mentally-deficient. You seem quite intelligent. I just believe that you wish your Shepard to follow the same doctrine as Saren. It seems wrong to me, but it might be right to you. That's my fundamental disagreement. 
However, I can understand that you might believe Saren MAY have meant the species of the galaxy becoming Reapers and did not know about the crucible/catalyst's option to merge man and machine in a literal synthesis that has nothing to do with genocide. If so, then I believe your logic is sound.

You do understand that Saren's ideals are irrelevant right? You were stopping Saren because he wanted to brin genocidad machines to the Galaxy not his ideology, or else you'd be insulting every transhumanist out there.


Something fooled him into believeing that ideaology, that ideaology is what caused him to become indoctrinated. he was trying to bring in genocidal machines BECAUSE he was indoctrinated BECAUSE of his ideaology. It all connects ok?

Err...No it doesn't, you don't know if anyone "fooled" him into anything, Saren might very well be a transhumanist before meeting Sovereign and the Reaper might have taken advantage of it to manipulate it. It baffles me though, you people really believe transhumanism is "wrong" because Saren thought it was good? You realize there is a lot of people today who think it is the future of humankind?

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balance5050 wrote...

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Personally, I don't find you mentally-deficient. You seem quite intelligent. I just believe that you wish your Shepard to follow the same doctrine as Saren. It seems wrong to me, but it might be right to you. That's my fundamental disagreement. 
However, I can understand that you might believe Saren MAY have meant the species of the galaxy becoming Reapers and did not know about the crucible/catalyst's option to merge man and machine in a literal synthesis that has nothing to do with genocide. If so, then I believe your logic is sound.

You do understand that Saren's ideals are irrelevant right? You were stopping Saren because he wanted to brin genocidad machines to the Galaxy not his ideology, or else you'd be insulting every transhumanist out there.


Something fooled him into believeing that ideaology, that ideaology is what caused him to become indoctrinated. he was trying to bring in genocidal machines BECAUSE he was indoctrinated BECAUSE of his ideaology. It all connects ok?


It's alright, Balance. If you take the endings at face value, what you do with synthesis and what Saren wanted to do are completely different and these guys want to take the ending at face value.

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It is actually you who is atempting a red herring by trying change the subject at hand. I simply said at the begining until it is confirmed it did not happen. You are trying to make an argument of Interpitation and Fan fiction and how they are  some how different even though they both alter the narraitive in one way or another given another persons perspective of the events presented. Wheather it's because you just completly made it up or because you think you see clues to a different conclusion is uniportant because they mean the same thing to me. You can word it or call it what ever but at the end of the day I will stick by IT= Fan Fiction until comfirmed by Bioware

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I'm not changing the subject, you outright said that I was posing the IT as truth, but I wasn't.  AGAIN it's not fan fiction. It's a literary interpretation about the story. All interpretations are made up based on what the interpreter thinks the story means. Did you EVER take English Lit?
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Actually I said IT is fan fiction until proved otherwise and you say it's just interperation. And I simply said that it is not truth and don't pretend that it is and you appearently said I acused you of saying that it's truth. And of course you try end with somthing to insult my education but once again like your whole argument I don't care and comes across as childish (which you very well could be). I will say it once more until IT is confirmed by Bioware it is Fan Fiction because beleive it or not it has huge leaps in logic beyond simple "intrpretation" and if you can't see that maybe you should "Wake Up" instead of Shepard.

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Creid-X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

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Personally, I don't find you mentally-deficient. You seem quite intelligent. I just believe that you wish your Shepard to follow the same doctrine as Saren. It seems wrong to me, but it might be right to you. That's my fundamental disagreement. 
However, I can understand that you might believe Saren MAY have meant the species of the galaxy becoming Reapers and did not know about the crucible/catalyst's option to merge man and machine in a literal synthesis that has nothing to do with genocide. If so, then I believe your logic is sound.

You do understand that Saren's ideals are irrelevant right? You were stopping Saren because he wanted to brin genocidad machines to the Galaxy not his ideology, or else you'd be insulting every transhumanist out there.


Something fooled him into believeing that ideaology, that ideaology is what caused him to become indoctrinated. he was trying to bring in genocidal machines BECAUSE he was indoctrinated BECAUSE of his ideaology. It all connects ok?

Err...No it doesn't, you don't know if anyone "fooled" him into anything, Saren might very well be a transhumanist before meeting Sovereign and the Reaper might have taken advantage of it to manipulate it. It baffles me though, you people really believe transhumanism is "wrong" because Saren thought it was good? You realize there is a lot of people today who think it is the future of humankind?


the difference between what Saren wanted and real transhumanism is that Saren wanted to help the Reapers harvest the galaxy and did it to save his own hide because he believed he was useful. Transhumanism is not the same as what the Reapers do to species. They melt species into a genetic gestalt, destroying nervous systems and removing the minds of millions of sapient beings to make a Reaper larva.

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Creid-X wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Personally, I don't find you mentally-deficient. You seem quite intelligent. I just believe that you wish your Shepard to follow the same doctrine as Saren. It seems wrong to me, but it might be right to you. That's my fundamental disagreement. 
However, I can understand that you might believe Saren MAY have meant the species of the galaxy becoming Reapers and did not know about the crucible/catalyst's option to merge man and machine in a literal synthesis that has nothing to do with genocide. If so, then I believe your logic is sound.

You do understand that Saren's ideals are irrelevant right? You were stopping Saren because he wanted to brin genocidad machines to the Galaxy not his ideology, or else you'd be insulting every transhumanist out there.


Something fooled him into believeing that ideaology, that ideaology is what caused him to become indoctrinated. he was trying to bring in genocidal machines BECAUSE he was indoctrinated BECAUSE of his ideaology. It all connects ok?

Err...No it doesn't, you don't know if anyone "fooled" him into anything, Saren might very well be a transhumanist before meeting Sovereign and the Reaper might have taken advantage of it to manipulate it. It baffles me though, you people really believe transhumanism is "wrong" because Saren thought it was good? You realize there is a lot of people today who think it is the future of humankind?


Transhumanism is fine, look at all the implants people have. I'm saying that the reapers already are a synthesis of organics and synthetics and beleive this best evolutionary model to live by, choosing synthesis is to agree with this statement, and Saren did just that; agree with the reapers.

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[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

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It is actually you who is atempting a red herring by trying change the subject at hand. I simply said at the begining until it is confirmed it did not happen. You are trying to make an argument of Interpitation and Fan fiction and how they are  some how different even though they both alter the narraitive in one way or another given another persons perspective of the events presented. Wheather it's because you just completly made it up or because you think you see clues to a different conclusion is uniportant because they mean the same thing to me. You can word it or call it what ever but at the end of the day I will stick by IT= Fan Fiction until comfirmed by Bioware

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I'm not changing the subject, you outright said that I was posing the IT as truth, but I wasn't.  AGAIN it's not fan fiction. It's a literary interpretation about the story. All interpretations are made up based on what the interpreter thinks the story means. Did you EVER take English Lit?
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Actually I said IT is fan fiction until proved otherwise and you say it's just interperation. And I simply said that it is not truth and don't pretend that it is and you appearently said I acused you of saying that it's truth. And of course you try end with somthing to insult my education but once again like your whole argument I don't care and comes across as childish (which you very well could be). I will say it once more until IT is confirmed by Bioware it is Fan Fiction because beleive it or not it has huge leaps in logic beyond simple "intrpretation" and if you can't see that maybe you should "Wake Up" instead of Shepard.

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I'm not insulting your intelligence. You simply do not seem to know the difference between interpretation and fan fiction. Fan fiction is making up stories in a universe created by another person, such as Milton's Paradise Lost. Interpretations are looking at a story and seeing symbolism and metaphor, such as what you might do in an English Book report.

if it was true that Literary Interpretation is Fan Fiction, then every Lit professor who has ever interpreted
literature and writes a paper on it for their thesis is writing " fan fiction".

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Ieldra2 wrote...

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Why do you guys get angry and try to destroy other's theory about the game. It doesnt hurt or offend you. I dont believe Bioware could write something as complex as IT but if some people like it, I dont go into threads arguing. I let them have their theories and fun, Isnt that what the creators of Mass Effect wanted speculation from everyone.

Just thought I would ask since I see alot of people that HATE IT.

I disagree with IT as a hypothesis about ME3's ending.

I HATE it because of the "Destroy is the only option" fundamentalists who are lobbying for Bioware to implement it in the EC, telling others "Destroy is the only option", "haha, you're indoctrinated" and coming off as jerks who try to invalidate other people's ending choices, thereby ruining their games. I think all the options are good in their own way, and anyone who actively works to invalidate them by lobbying for Bioware to remove any one as a good and valid choice to end the Reaper threat I count as a hypcrite and fundamentalist who asks for more choices in the game for himself but works to deprive others of theirs.

Perhaps it would be more correct to say that I hate a significant subset of the IT supporters, namely those who say "Destroy is the only option" and that if you think differently, you're thinking wrong. That's accusing me of mental deficiency. Perhaps you can imagine how that comes across.


I agree, in that you should be able to perceive the endings as they currently stand in any way you see fit. There are logical strands of thought across the board, and they can tap into a pretty wide spectrum of interpretive and philosophical ideas---intelligent ones. Moreover, you should stick to your guns, even in the face of different opinions.

However, when you offer your choice on a forum in the form of a topic seeking validation and discourse, or as a well-placed post in an idea think-tank thread, I think the door's swung open for counter-opinions---and, yes, that can lead to a lengthy explanation of why the other options are, in that poster's mind, wrong. There are respectful ways of getting your opinion across, and disrespectful ways.

Merely photo-bombing the thread with "destroy is the only option", "if you choose otherwise, you're indoctrinated", and "you're stupid for thinking this" is uncalled for and inaccurate. However, I see nothing wrong with clearly explaining your viewpoint and where you obtained your data if the discussion is leading towards it, given that this is a public arena hovering over a very hot topic right now.

People shouldn't be afraid of offering their rationale here, if the timing is right.

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the difference between what Saren wanted and real transhumanism is that Saren wanted to help the Reapers harvest the galaxy and did it to save his own hide because he believed he was useful. Transhumanism is not the same as what the Reapers do to species. They melt species into a genetic gestalt, destroying nervous systems and removing the minds of millions of sapient beings to make a Reaper larva.

Exactly, so we agree it has nothing to do with Saren's ideology. He thought biosynthetic fusion is the future of organics which isn't wrong at all, of course it's the methods he wants to use to achieve this which are wrong with which I whole heartedly agree.

My point is, saying "syntheis is wrong because Saren wanted it" is, erm...shrotsighted, his ideals are the same as many, many other people and aren't inherently wrong, and, as you can see the syntheis ending has very little to do with the reaper bulding method you described above.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)



Just because it's opinion doesn't mean we're going to stop talking about it.... it's the internet, you should be able to assume that.


When did I ever say you should stop talking about it?? Stop trying to make me sound like jerk.


He's not making you sound like a jerk, you ARE being a jerk. To me.


I'm just Stating my opinion just like everyone else just because I don't agree with anything you say does not make me a jerk


Except that you put words in my mouth and make baseless assumptions and then argue that I believe those words and assumptions when my simply SAYING it's a literary interpretation debunks your assumtions and words in my mouth that I believe IT to be absolutely true.


LOL just lol you are saying your interpretation debunks my opinion about fan fiction, No your completly rational Right?

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BatmanTurian wrote...
the difference between what Saren wanted and real transhumanism is that Saren wanted to help the Reapers harvest the galaxy and did it to save his own hide because he believed he was useful. Transhumanism is not the same as what the Reapers do to species. They melt species into a genetic gestalt, destroying nervous systems and removing the minds of millions of sapient beings to make a Reaper larva.

Exactly, so we agree it has nothing to do with Saren's ideology. He thought biosynthetic fusion is the future of organics which isn't wrong at all, of course it's the methods he wants to use to achieve this which are wrong with which I whole heartedly agree.

My point is, saying "syntheis is wrong because Saren wanted it" is, erm...shrotsighted, his ideals are the same as many, many other people and aren't inherently wrong, and, as you can see the syntheis ending has very little to do with the reaper bulding method you described above.


I don't " agree" but I can respect how someone might come to the conclusion of synthesis using that logic and I must bow to its possibility of being a correct and valid interpretation.

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Ji99saw wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)



Just because it's opinion doesn't mean we're going to stop talking about it.... it's the internet, you should be able to assume that.


When did I ever say you should stop talking about it?? Stop trying to make me sound like jerk.


He's not making you sound like a jerk, you ARE being a jerk. To me.


I'm just Stating my opinion just like everyone else just because I don't agree with anything you say does not make me a jerk


Except that you put words in my mouth and make baseless assumptions and then argue that I believe those words and assumptions when my simply SAYING it's a literary interpretation debunks your assumtions and words in my mouth that I believe IT to be absolutely true.


LOL just lol you are saying your interpretation debunks my opinion about fan fiction, No your completly rational Right?


Key word: OPINION

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Ji99saw wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

That is what I've been saying this whole time, (So who really was not paying attention) interpretation  is not complete truth so stop pretending that it is because you just stated that it was opinion, which means until it is confirmed it is FICTION=  is the form of any Narraitive or informitive work that deals, in part or in whole, with information or events that are not factual, but rather, imaginary from a FAN= is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something. (WIKI)



Just because it's opinion doesn't mean we're going to stop talking about it.... it's the internet, you should be able to assume that.


When did I ever say you should stop talking about it?? Stop trying to make me sound like jerk.


He's not making you sound like a jerk, you ARE being a jerk. To me.


I'm just Stating my opinion just like everyone else just because I don't agree with anything you say does not make me a jerk


Except that you put words in my mouth and make baseless assumptions and then argue that I believe those words and assumptions when my simply SAYING it's a literary interpretation debunks your assumtions and words in my mouth that I believe IT to be absolutely true.


LOL just lol you are saying your interpretation debunks my opinion about fan fiction, No your completly rational Right?


I'm saying you don't even know what those two terms mean. And it shows.

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I don't " agree" but I can respect how someone might come to the conclusion of synthesis using that logic and I must bow to its possibility of being a correct and valid interpretation.

Much appreciated.

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Creid-X wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
the difference between what Saren wanted and real transhumanism is that Saren wanted to help the Reapers harvest the galaxy and did it to save his own hide because he believed he was useful. Transhumanism is not the same as what the Reapers do to species. They melt species into a genetic gestalt, destroying nervous systems and removing the minds of millions of sapient beings to make a Reaper larva.

Exactly, so we agree it has nothing to do with Saren's ideology. He thought biosynthetic fusion is the future of organics which isn't wrong at all, of course it's the methods he wants to use to achieve this which are wrong with which I whole heartedly agree.

My point is, saying "syntheis is wrong because Saren wanted it" is, erm...shrotsighted, his ideals are the same as many, many other people and aren't inherently wrong, and, as you can see the syntheis ending has very little to do with the reaper bulding method you described above.


I don't " agree" but I can respect how someone might come to the conclusion of synthesis using that logic and I must bow to its possibility of being a correct and valid interpretation.

Much appreciated.


I like the IT as an interpretation. I'm not a complete zealot. I can see how the face value endings might work logically for some people.

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It is actually you who is atempting a red herring by trying change the subject at hand. I simply said at the begining until it is confirmed it did not happen. You are trying to make an argument of Interpitation and Fan fiction and how they are  some how different even though they both alter the narraitive in one way or another given another persons perspective of the events presented. Wheather it's because you just completly made it up or because you think you see clues to a different conclusion is uniportant because they mean the same thing to me. You can word it or call it what ever but at the end of the day I will stick by IT= Fan Fiction until comfirmed by Bioware

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I'm not changing the subject, you outright said that I was posing the IT as truth, but I wasn't.  AGAIN it's not fan fiction. It's a literary interpretation about the story. All interpretations are made up based on what the interpreter thinks the story means. Did you EVER take English Lit?
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Actually I said IT is fan fiction until proved otherwise and you say it's just interperation. And I simply said that it is not truth and don't pretend that it is and you appearently said I acused you of saying that it's truth. And of course you try end with somthing to insult my education but once again like your whole argument I don't care and comes across as childish (which you very well could be). I will say it once more until IT is confirmed by Bioware it is Fan Fiction because beleive it or not it has huge leaps in logic beyond simple "intrpretation" and if you can't see that maybe you should "Wake Up" instead of Shepard.

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I'm not insulting your intelligence. You simply do not seem to know the difference between interpretation and fan fiction. Fan fiction is making up stories in a universe created by another person, such as Milton's Paradise Lost. Interpretations are looking at a story and seeing symbolism and metaphor, such as what you might do in an English Book report.

if it was true that Literary Interpretation is Fan Fiction, then every Lit professor who has ever interpreted
literature and writes a paper on it for their thesis is writing " fan fiction".

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Once again IT falls under fanfiction it makes leaps in logic which were not presented in the narraitive. To give you an example IT says that when Shepard shoots Anderson he feels the physical effects but when the Illusive man is shot no physical effect is noticed but they are both apart of him. Thats leaps in logic that are under  IT meaning new elements are added to make IT true= Fan Fiction

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[quote]Ji99saw wrote...

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

[quote]Ji99saw wrote...

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

[quote] Ji99saw wrote...


It is actually you who is atempting a red herring by trying change the subject at hand. I simply said at the begining until it is confirmed it did not happen. You are trying to make an argument of Interpitation and Fan fiction and how they are  some how different even though they both alter the narraitive in one way or another given another persons perspective of the events presented. Wheather it's because you just completly made it up or because you think you see clues to a different conclusion is uniportant because they mean the same thing to me. You can word it or call it what ever but at the end of the day I will stick by IT= Fan Fiction until comfirmed by Bioware

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I'm not changing the subject, you outright said that I was posing the IT as truth, but I wasn't.  AGAIN it's not fan fiction. It's a literary interpretation about the story. All interpretations are made up based on what the interpreter thinks the story means. Did you EVER take English Lit?
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Actually I said IT is fan fiction until proved otherwise and you say it's just interperation. And I simply said that it is not truth and don't pretend that it is and you appearently said I acused you of saying that it's truth. And of course you try end with somthing to insult my education but once again like your whole argument I don't care and comes across as childish (which you very well could be). I will say it once more until IT is confirmed by Bioware it is Fan Fiction because beleive it or not it has huge leaps in logic beyond simple "intrpretation" and if you can't see that maybe you should "Wake Up" instead of Shepard.

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I'm not insulting your intelligence. You simply do not seem to know the difference between interpretation and fan fiction. Fan fiction is making up stories in a universe created by another person, such as Milton's Paradise Lost. Interpretations are looking at a story and seeing symbolism and metaphor, such as what you might do in an English Book report.

if it was true that Literary Interpretation is Fan Fiction, then every Lit professor who has ever interpreted
literature and writes a paper on it for their thesis is writing " fan fiction".

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Once again IT falls under fanfiction it makes leaps in logic which were not presented in the narraitive. To give you an example IT says that when Shepard shoots Anderson he feels the physical effects but when the Illusive man is shot no physical effect is noticed but they are both apart of him. Thats leaps in logic that are under  IT meaning new elements are added to make IT true= Fan Fiction

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http://en.wikipedia....iki/Fan_fiction

http://en.wikipedia...._interpretation

You are ignorant. That is not an insult, but merely a fact. Know the meanings of terms before you use them.

From Fan Fiction:

"Fan fiction (alternatively referred to as fanfiction, fanfic, FF, or fic) is a broadly-defined term for fan labor
regarding stories about characters or settings written by fans of the
original work, rather than by the original creator. Works of fan fiction
are rarely commissioned or authorized by the original work's owner,
creator, or publisher; also, they are almost never professionally
published. Because of this, many fan fictions written often contain a
disclaimer stating that the creator of the work owns none of the
characters. Fan fiction, therefore, is defined by being both related to
its subject's canonical fictional universe and simultaneously existing outside the canon of that universe.[1]
Most fan fiction writers assume that their work is read primarily by
other fans, and therefore tend to presume that their readers have
knowledge of the canon universe (created by a professional writer) in
which their works are based."


from Literary Interpretation:

"However important all of these aesthetic movements were as antecedents,
current ideas about literary criticism derive almost entirely from the
new direction taken in the early twentieth century. Early in the century
the school of criticism known as Russian Formalism, and slightly later the New Criticism in Britain and America, came to dominate the study and discussion of literature. Both schools emphasized the close reading of texts, elevating it far above generalizing discussion and speculation about either authorial intention (to say nothing of the author's psychology or biography, which became almost taboo subjects) or reader response.
This emphasis on form and precise attention to "the words themselves"
has persisted, after the decline of these critical doctrines themselves."

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 17 mai 2012 - 10:58 .