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[Utopianus]

You guys do realise that BioWare cannot discuss the "endings", their inspirations and motivation behind it all, because they've invested (I presume, or at least hope) the explanations in the EC. You don't exactly start responding to critics about the "ending" when the "ending" hasn't even been finished yet. This is the clearest evidence that BioWare had intended this DLC from the beginning, and that they had sold us an incomplete product.

As for actually banning the discussion on the ending with BioWare representatives, it is probably to protect their employees on the front-line taking the brunt of the criticisms and abuse, whilst also ensuring that they don't accidentally leak information about the EC in their emotionally vulnerable state.

I don't agree with any of the actions by BioWare in response to the Ending-criticisms, however I can understand the reasons behind the silence and secrecy - they had planned the EC since the beginning, however they were forced to prematurely disclose of its existence after the unexpected extent of the backlash against the current "ending", thus any discussion about the current ending will risk spoiling the "real" ending from EC. Effectively, BioWare had taken the ME1 gun, pointed it at their collective foot, locked it in place and on full-auto. A real shame, really.

[Oldbones2]

OP, you were pretty aggressive.

Priestley was right to ban you. You knew the rules, and you broke them.

That doesn't mean you don't have a point. BW is screwing over fans for money or pride or something. Almost everyone can see that.

But saying it will get you banned and you brought that on yourself.

[soulprovider]

 now, op, you understand why the fustration has reached a stale mate of epic proportions, everything EA is doing is to shut the fan base down and keep us complacent, everything bioware is doing is to keep us quiet so they can explain to their dumb fans what their artistic vision actually is while also claiming that they are hurt and insulted by the fans reactions.......its arrogance at a level not seen outside of politics, which begs the question, what ME3's ending about pushing some sort of political agenda..

I mean EA is definitely not above making fun of others views and legitimate court cases while also providing said court cases with the fuel needed to try and get a favorable verdict for the plaintiffs  (Dead space 2's: your mom will hate this game commercials and behind the scenes) EA is also not above trying to push acts through congress while trying to silence the opposition along with other supporters (SOPA), and is not above installing malware into a persons computer without their consent and without tools to remove said mal ware not to mention actively banning any discussions about what is and how to remove said malware from the comouter after the game was uninstalledat around the time when this was going on, which sparked numerous class action lawsuits that should have been in favor of the consumer since sony lost their case regaridng the same practices on music CD's a year prior(Spore, C&C3, kanes wrath, red alert, and sims 2) and lastly My personal favorite, forcing customers to sign a contract that specifically prohibits the consumer from joining any class action lawsuits due to the above practices...... Section 20 of the TOS agreement, which oddly enough the gamers are bound to for ME3 and yet on the consoles you actually don't have ot sign it because your forced online pass is you signing the contract....... Oh and lets not forget their new practice of shutting down free to play servers eight months after the game is released, in favor of charging gamers 30$ a month to play the game online, regardless of whether their on consoles or not(battlefield 3).

Modifié par soulprovider, 19 mai 2012 - 04:37 .

[The_Shootist]

Nimpe wrote...

Honestly, this was cool a week after the game came out. Take your hatred to the forums of the newest game release or something.

OP is Right and you, you are wrong.

We need to continue to express our displeasure at being led down a golden path, for 5 years, 200+ dollars and hundreds of hours building the perfect saves, only to have it turn to <Insert Invective>. EAware should never be able to live this down, at least until they fix this lame excuse for an ending.

[Jadebaby]

As controversial as the ending it seems...

[ZackG312]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Putting EAWare in the title of your thread doesn't help OP.

EA does own Bioware

[TheJiveDJ]

TC although I empathize with your frustration, you DID give Chris the ammunition he needed to ban you. That "EAware" comment is very passive aggressive; no one likes being told they are a corporate tool (which is what you were inferring). In the future, don't give them ammunition. Be as polite and agreeable as possible; then they can't make YOU look like the bad guy.

[Rip504]

The ending is not broke,it is pretty good until you reach the Catalyst. Then IMO it is one unexplained mess. It would have been nice to deal with TIM before the Epic space battle. I think the EC will bring answers to unanswered questions,explain each ending,the cause and effects etc. I hope we will see "more" of our allies in battle. Alternate outfits and new weapons would also be nice.

So when Liara mind melds with me on Earth,is Shepard indoctrinated at this point? Is Liara? Or does it all happen in the short time after this point?


Now concerning the ME3 ending screen. The buy our dlc screen. This IMO proves that ME3 is an unfinished product. As they have implied any dlc will be before TIM's base. Meaning it adds to the Main story,the story they shipped and charged me full price for. The hint at Retake Omega makes me sick to my stomach. Why add to a fully finished experience? ME3 is a game that ends a trilogy,the content should have been there before hand. ME3 dlc is completely pointless,as it adds meaningless content implemented to make money and nothing else.

Real classy and artistic to end your Mass Effect trilogy with the words Downloadable Content.(360)

Adding any pre-ending dlc,is like adding a cape to my suit. Yea it is extra content that enhances my product,but is completely pointless and unneeded. As I already own a "finished" and "complete" product. Well at least I thought I did.

[TheJiveDJ]

Rip504 wrote...

The ending is not broke,it is pretty good until you reach the Catalyst. Then IMO it is one unexplained mess. It would have been nice to deal with TIM before the Epic space battle. I think the EC will bring answers to unanswered questions,explain each ending,the cause and effects etc. I hope we will see "more" of our allies in battle. Alternate outfits and new weapons would also be nice.

So when Liara mind melds with me on Earth,is Shepard indoctrinated at this point? Is Liara? Or does it all happen in the short time after this point?


Now concerning the ME3 ending screen. The buy our dlc screen. This IMO proves that ME3 is an unfinished product. As they have implied any dlc will be before TIM's base. Meaning it adds to the Main story,the story they shipped and charged me full price for. The hint at Retake Omega makes me sick to my stomach. Why add to a fully finished experience? ME3 is a game that ends a trilogy,the content should have been there before hand. ME3 dlc is completely pointless,as it adds meaningless content implemented to make money and nothing else.

Real classy and artistic to end your Mass Effect trilogy with the words Downloadable Content.(360)

Adding any pre-ending dlc,is like adding a cape to my suit. Yea it is extra content that enhances my product,but is completely pointless and unneeded. As I already own a "finished" and "complete" product. Well at least I thought I did.

Short answer = time contraints from EA

Less short answer = No dev wants to make a bad game.  Most of the time it comes down to budget cuts and unrealistic time contraints.

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 21 mai 2012 - 10:57 .

[Rip504]

TheJiveDJ wrote...

Short answer = time contraints from EA

Less short answer = No dev wants to make a bad game.  Most of the time it comes down to budget cuts and unrealistic time contraints.

Never stated by Bioware or EA.(Yes they did ask for 6 months,but never stated that is the reason we got what we have now. These 6 months could have been used for anything,so let's not assume it was to make a more complete ME3,as it would indicate Bioware/EA wanted/intended to give us a broken unfinished product.)
ME3 is the artistic creation they intended to create. Why make false excuses for them? This unfinished broken product is what they wanted to give us. They did not think it was broken or unfinished and assumed their money grab attempts would fly under the radar as they usually do.

Bioware signed the contract. They agreed to these "unrealistic time constraints" and "budget cuts". It was Bioware's choice to sell out to EA. It was EA's choice to try and kill the gaming industry. Their choices/work resulted in our ME3. Why give false excuses and sympathize with EA/Bioware when it was their choice?

I do not understand. Bioware made a choice and now I feel they should get full credit for those choices.

What you said it true,but Bioware chose to be apart of it.

Modifié par Rip504, 21 mai 2012 - 11:39 .

[TheJiveDJ]

Rip504 wrote...

TheJiveDJ wrote...

Short answer = time contraints from EA

Less short answer = No dev wants to make a bad game.  Most of the time it comes down to budget cuts and unrealistic time contraints.

Never stated by Bioware or EA.(Yes they did ask for 6 months,but never stated that is the reason we got what we have now. These 6 months could have been used for anything,so let's not assume it was to make a more complete ME3,as it would indicate Bioware/EA wanted/intended to give us a broken unfinished product.)
ME3 is the artistic creation they intended to create. Why make false excuses for them? This unfinished broken product is what they wanted to give us. They did not think it was broken or unfinished and assumed their money grab attempts would fly under the radar as they usually do.

Bioware signed the contract. They agreed to these "unrealistic time constraints" and "budget cuts". It was Bioware's choice to sell out to EA. It was EA's choice to try and kill the gaming industry. Their choices/work resulted in our ME3. Why give false excuses and sympathize with EA/Bioware when it was their choice?

I do not understand. Bioware made a choice and now I feel they should get full credit for those choices.

What you said it true,but Bioware chose to be apart of it.

Signed what contract?  This isn't a joint venture between two companies.  EA owns BioWare now.  EA's word is law, period.  To be fair, the decision to sell was made by two guys who aren't really involved in BioWare's day to day activities.  The devs - - the people actually working on the game - - did not have any vote in regards to selling out to EA.

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 23 mai 2012 - 10:07 .

[wryterra]

You know what, those are their personal twitter accounts. I like to leave work at the office when I'm tweeting on my personal account. Go after me on my personal account about a work issue in an even vaguely hostile way, even if I wasn't in the middle of a hateful ****storm, I'd block you too.

[Loopeeeeeee]

darkchief10 wrote...

they're under a lot of stress, especially chris, don't really blame them, but still, some clarification would be nice

is it the same kind of stress a coal miner faces everyday that he may not get out alive?

[Rip504]

TheJiveDJ wrote...


Never stated by Bioware or EA.(Yes they did ask for 6 months,but never stated that is the reason we got what we have now. These 6 months could have been used for anything,so let's not assume it was to make a more complete ME3,as it would indicate Bioware/EA wanted/intended to give us a broken unfinished product.)

ME3 is the artistic creation they intended to create. Why make false excuses for them? This unfinished broken product is what they wanted to give us. They did not think it was broken or unfinished and assumed their money grab attempts would fly under the radar as they usually do.

Bioware signed the contract. They agreed to these "unrealistic time constraints" and "budget cuts". It was Bioware's choice to sell out to EA. It was EA's choice to try and kill the gaming industry. Their choices/work resulted in our ME3. Why give false excuses and sympathize with EA/Bioware when it was their choice?

I do not understand. Bioware made a choice and now I feel they should get full credit for those choices.

What you said it true,but Bioware chose to be apart of it.

Devs also chose to be apart of this.

Modifié par Rip504, 23 mai 2012 - 11:02 .

[wesr]

NoSpin wrote...

You shouldn't blatantly go after Bioware employees, as about 99% are sworn to secrecy (at the risk of losing their jobs) and they had absolutely no fault in crafting the ending. Ask Mac and Casey the hard questions, the rest are just honest people trying to do their jobs.

Sadly if they don't fix things pretty quick some of them are going to be out of jobs when nobody buys their games. He went the wrong way asking that's for sure but bioware seems to want to sabotage things by listening to lawyers and PR folks.