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[balance5050]

jla0644 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Yes, many of you are are saying that.

And no, it does not. You think it does, and that's fine. But you thinking that doesn't make it true. I have no problem with you guys believing whatever you want. I suspect that many of you will continue to believe it even when the EC comes out and shows nothing to support your theory. But quit telling me that your theory is the only way to explain things, that the evidence is overwhelming and cannot be disputed, because it's not.

And yet you still fail to come up with any other thing the evidence points to besides "Bioware sucks", we just happen to think that bioware may not suck as much as some like to think.

Problem?

I said you'd need to be more specific, and you've only brought up one thing, the breathing scene. And  yes, my interepretation is that it's a plot hole, but not a very important one since I don't believe that clip to be anything other than an easter egg for those with high enough EMS, and Bioware never intended for it to lead anywhere.

Does that mean my interpretation for all your "evidence" is "Bioware sucks"? No. You can ask about more if you'd like, and if this thread is still around next time I visit, I might answer them. Or you can assume that I'm aware of all your evidence, and find it all unconvincing. And I'll assume that any of my answers will be unsatisfactory for you.  Deal?

Deal.

[llbountyhunter]

Lizardviking wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
But why was such plotholes not present on Tuchanka and Rannoch? because they ran out of time? A game is not made chronolgically.

Didn't the final hour app mention that they were struggling with making the ending as late as November?

And there is already poor writing in other areas of ME3. Such as Cerberus in the time span of 6 months becoming an empire, Shepard getting away with killing 300.0000 Batarians with no punishment.

They explained Shepard's "amnesty" of that incident.

And the Cerberus being an empire is hyperbole.  The only significant operation they launched on a large scale was the Citadel, and Shepard even says in an interview that Cerberus put their all into it and are no longer a significant threat due to the losses they sustained.  If it weren't for their subterfuge of CSEC, Cerberus wouldn't have even gotten within the arms of the Citadel.  Everything else were isolated operations.

You wish it was a hyberbole fanboy. A small organization of 150 that was financially setback by Lazarus/SR-2 and severely crippled in Retribution coming out with fleets of battlecruisers, mechs, gunships and supersoldiers that's capable on launching attacks all over the galaxy and even raiding the freaking Salarian homeworld while the most important VIPs are present is by definition a galactic power.

The whole citadel "coup" was completely moronic and nonsensical. Cerberus is capable of taking on several hundred thousand c-sec personnel that are mostly Turian and not to mention there's a whole citadel defense force in orbit around the damn station.

This is not taking into account that the whole objective of the "coup" is also completely moronic. Cerberus and Udina expect the citadel races to just lockstep behind them because they took out the council? Just freaking.... LOL.

And you people wonder why others don't take the notion that the only thing wrong about this game is the endings seriously.

Thank you Seboist.

Don't give a known troll credit.

I disapprove of Seboist attitude, but what he said still held truth to it.

not really, cerebus was able to sneek past the defences in the salarian base because of their reaper tech.

also the actuall purpose of the mission was never really answerd... possibly there waiting for EC.

[ArkkAngel007]

balance5050 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


Actually, almost all of us who are reasonable will completely abandon IT if the EC falsifies it.

Yep, if the EC falsifies it, a lot of us will probably join you in saying that "Bioware sucks" but until then I.T. stands to fix the ending.

Agreed.  Most of us aren't the nutter zealots that run around being ***hats toward people.  Shame I can't say the same about the other end.

Afterall, it's only a videogame.  In 10 years, I'm probably not going to give a second look at this series beyond the continuity idea between the three games.  The games themselves though?  Nope.  Something that maybe I take an hour out of the week to do nowadays isn't a big deal.

[jla0644]

BatmanTurian wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Then you are wrong, because that's exactly what Indoctrination Theory does. Fan Fiction does not even apply. You use that false term to impugn it's viability and commit a logical fallacy.

Balance5050 wrote...

Then you are purposefully being ignorant to the meaning of those words.

lol, you guys need to relax

I'm completely relaxed. You are using the wrong terms and so I am correcting you. You look ignorant when you claim a literary interpretation is fan fiction. If literary interpretation is fanfiction, then every English Lit professor who has ever interpreted a classic and wrote a thesis about it is writing fan fiction.

Well then you need to learn to take a joke. If I did it on purpose to take a jab at IT, how is that ignorance? I know exactly what I said, and why I said it. And apparently it achieved its puropse, because we're still talking about it.

Get over it dude, you shouldn't care that much what I call it.

[balance5050]

llbountyhunter wrote...

not really, cerebus was able to sneek past the defences in the salarian base because of their reaper tech.

also the actuall purpose of the mission was never really answerd... possibly there waiting for EC.

Yeah, the coup could have had different implications than what we see on the surface.

[covertdrizzt]

lol@This thread I don't believe the original I.T. but I think it's funny that some people are so vehemently against it. Indoctrination is a recuring theme in mass effect.
P.S. name calling is the last resort of a week mind. just saying

[balance5050]

jla0644 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Then you are wrong, because that's exactly what Indoctrination Theory does. Fan Fiction does not even apply. You use that false term to impugn it's viability and commit a logical fallacy.

Balance5050 wrote...

Then you are purposefully being ignorant to the meaning of those words.

lol, you guys need to relax

I'm completely relaxed. You are using the wrong terms and so I am correcting you. You look ignorant when you claim a literary interpretation is fan fiction. If literary interpretation is fanfiction, then every English Lit professor who has ever interpreted a classic and wrote a thesis about it is writing fan fiction.

Well then you need to learn to take a joke. If I did it on purpose to take a jab at IT, how is that ignorance? I know exactly what I said, and why I said it. And apparently it achieved its puropse, because we're still talking about it.

Get over it dude, you shouldn't care that much what I call it.

We're just trying to help you make your case believable, if you were joking it should have been made more apparent because we run into trolls A LOT.

[BatmanTurian]

jla0644 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Then you are wrong, because that's exactly what Indoctrination Theory does. Fan Fiction does not even apply. You use that false term to impugn it's viability and commit a logical fallacy.

Balance5050 wrote...

Then you are purposefully being ignorant to the meaning of those words.

lol, you guys need to relax

I'm completely relaxed. You are using the wrong terms and so I am correcting you. You look ignorant when you claim a literary interpretation is fan fiction. If literary interpretation is fanfiction, then every English Lit professor who has ever interpreted a classic and wrote a thesis about it is writing fan fiction.

Well then you need to learn to take a joke. If I did it on purpose to take a jab at IT, how is that ignorance? I know exactly what I said, and why I said it. And apparently it achieved its puropse, because we're still talking about it.

Get over it dude, you shouldn't care that much what I call it.

If it was a joke, at least imply it over the internet with an emote. At any rate, I care what you call it because you use a logical fallacy when calling it fan fiction. That's all. Otherwise, you and I are fine.

[ArkkAngel007]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
But why was such plotholes not present on Tuchanka and Rannoch? because they ran out of time? A game is not made chronolgically.

Didn't the final hour app mention that they were struggling with making the ending as late as November?

And there is already poor writing in other areas of ME3. Such as Cerberus in the time span of 6 months becoming an empire, Shepard getting away with killing 300.0000 Batarians with no punishment.

They explained Shepard's "amnesty" of that incident.

And the Cerberus being an empire is hyperbole.  The only significant operation they launched on a large scale was the Citadel, and Shepard even says in an interview that Cerberus put their all into it and are no longer a significant threat due to the losses they sustained.  If it weren't for their subterfuge of CSEC, Cerberus wouldn't have even gotten within the arms of the Citadel.  Everything else were isolated operations.

You wish it was a hyberbole fanboy. A small organization of 150 that was financially setback by Lazarus/SR-2 and severely crippled in Retribution coming out with fleets of battlecruisers, mechs, gunships and supersoldiers that's capable on launching attacks all over the galaxy and even raiding the freaking Salarian homeworld while the most important VIPs are present is by definition a galactic power.

The whole citadel "coup" was completely moronic and nonsensical. Cerberus is capable of taking on several hundred thousand c-sec personnel that are mostly Turian and not to mention there's a whole citadel defense force in orbit around the damn station.

This is not taking into account that the whole objective of the "coup" is also completely moronic. Cerberus and Udina expect the citadel races to just lockstep behind them because they took out the council? Just freaking.... LOL.

And you people wonder why others don't take the notion that the only thing wrong about this game is the endings seriously.

Thank you Seboist.

Don't give a known troll credit.

I disapprove of Seboist attitude, but what he said still held truth to it.

not really, cerebus was able to sneek past the defences in the salarian base because of their reaper tech.

also the actuall purpose of the mission was never really answerd... possibly there waiting for EC.

I agree with Seboist about how retarded the whole premise of it is with the Citadel with Udina, which would only make sense if he was indoctrinated.  However, the Reaper tech, hit-and-run tactics, and Cerberus' popularity after the Suicide mission make it at least plausible for all of these being carried out.

However, he didn't need to be a douche about it, considering most I do with ME is this forum nowadays at work.

[Wabajakka]

How 90% of anti-IT vs ITer arguments are:

ITer spams images, links and paragraphs of "proof" while anti-ITer calls them dismissive and degrading names then says "clinging" and "grasping at straws" a lot.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 18 mai 2012 - 05:59 .

[llbountyhunter]

Orange Tee wrote...

How 90% of anti-IT vs ITer arguments are:

ITer spams images and links and paragraphs of "proof", anti-ITer calls them dismissive and degrading names then says "clinging" and "grasping at straws" a lot.

"supporting evidence"

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 18 mai 2012 - 06:00 .

[balance5050]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

How 90% of anti-IT vs ITer arguments are:

ITer spams images and links and paragraphs of "proof", anti-ITer calls them dismissive and degrading names then says "clinging" and "grasping at straws" a lot.

"supporting evidence"

Modifié par balance5050, 18 mai 2012 - 06:00 .

[mauro2222]

Ok...smoke/dust is a Mako wheel? (which is funny 'cause the supposed wheel changes shape, like a gas does) and because there is concrete we're on earth... I wonder if these guys know that same textures are used in every single map.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

llbountyhunter wrote...

not really, cerebus was able to sneek past the defences in the salarian base because of their reaper tech.

also the actuall purpose of the mission was never really answerd... possibly there waiting for EC.

It does not matter how much Reaper tech you have. Cerberus attack a bloody homeplanet when there were VIP's of significant importance present. Which would most likely mean that there god knows how many warships in orbit ready to defend.

So no. Cerberus being able to attack the Salarian homeworld is just another asspull.

[ArkkAngel007]

Orange Tee wrote...

How 90% of anti-IT vs ITer arguments are:

ITer spams images, links and paragraphs of "proof" while anti-ITer calls them dismissive and degrading names then says "clinging" and "grasping at straws" a lot.

It can be argued that IT people tend to dismiss any counterclaims though, even if they don't have anything really solid to back up the dismissal.  It's just a silly argument that shouldn't be taking place.

[balance5050]

mauro2222 wrote...

Ok...smoke/dust is a Mako wheel? (which is funny 'cause the supposed wheel changes shape, like a gas does) and because there is concrete we're on earth... I wonder if these guys know that same textures are used in every single map.

Those concrete textures ONLY appear on Earth.

[BatmanTurian]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

How 90% of anti-IT vs ITer arguments are:

ITer spams images and links and paragraphs of "proof", anti-ITer calls them dismissive and degrading names then says "clinging" and "grasping at straws" a lot.

"supporting evidence"

or "circumstantial evidence". Either way, neither side has absolute proof, so OP's topic is stupid and pointless.

And I would like to reiterate that point by linking to this post by Priestly locking down a thread and saying the story doesn't end at the DLC message.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 18 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[llbountyhunter]

Lizardviking wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

not really, cerebus was able to sneek past the defences in the salarian base because of their reaper tech.

also the actuall purpose of the mission was never really answerd... possibly there waiting for EC.

It does not matter how much Reaper tech you have. Cerberus attack a bloody homeplanet when there were VIP's of significant importance present. Which would most likely mean that there god knows how many warships in orbit ready to defend.

So no. Cerberus being able to attack the Salarian homeworld is just another asspull.

well then... if it doesnt matter how much reaper tech you have, then i guess the reapers themselfs shouldnt be able to take out entire bases and planets.

oh wait.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 18 mai 2012 - 06:03 .

[balance5050]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

How 90% of anti-IT vs ITer arguments are:

ITer spams images, links and paragraphs of "proof" while anti-ITer calls them dismissive and degrading names then says "clinging" and "grasping at straws" a lot.

It can be argued that IT people tend to dismiss any counterclaims though, even if they don't have anything really solid to back up the dismissal.  It's just a silly argument that shouldn't be taking place.

It's hard to fight thecounters when they only consist of bioware being lazy or bad writers. It's tough becasue we argue the meaning of the story when they refute it by saying the author is dumb.

[BatmanTurian]

Lizardviking wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

not really, cerebus was able to sneek past the defences in the salarian base because of their reaper tech.

also the actuall purpose of the mission was never really answerd... possibly there waiting for EC.

It does not matter how much Reaper tech you have. Cerberus attack a bloody homeplanet when there were VIP's of significant importance present. Which would most likely mean that there god knows how many warships in orbit ready to defend.

So no. Cerberus being able to attack the Salarian homeworld is just another asspull.

I have to agree with this, unless they copied the stealth technology from the Normandy that they rebuilt.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

not really, cerebus was able to sneek past the defences in the salarian base because of their reaper tech.

also the actuall purpose of the mission was never really answerd... possibly there waiting for EC.

It does not matter how much Reaper tech you have. Cerberus attack a bloody homeplanet when there were VIP's of significant importance present. Which would most likely mean that there god knows how many warships in orbit ready to defend.

So no. Cerberus being able to attack the Salarian homeworld is just another asspull.

well then... if it doesnt matter how much reaper tech you have, then the reapers themselfs shouldnt be able to take out entire bases and planets.

oh wait.

Stop playing coy. The Reapers can conquer planets because they are a giant armade of highly advanced warships including terrifying 2 kilometer long dreadnoughts. Something I doubt Cerberus has.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 18 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[balance5050]

BatmanTurian wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

How 90% of anti-IT vs ITer arguments are:

ITer spams images and links and paragraphs of "proof", anti-ITer calls them dismissive and degrading names then says "clinging" and "grasping at straws" a lot.

"supporting evidence"

or "circumstantial evidence". Either way, neither side has absolute proof, so OP's topic is stupid and pointless.

Pretty much, regardless of what our arguments consist of, Bioware NEVER commented on the IT being real or not.

[mauro2222]

balance5050 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Ok...smoke/dust is a Mako wheel? (which is funny 'cause the supposed wheel changes shape, like a gas does) and because there is concrete we're on earth... I wonder if these guys know that same textures are used in every single map.

Those concrete textures ONLY appear on Earth.

They're on the wall of the Grissom academy, on Sanctuary, in the Temple, on Tuchanka. Re-used textures.

[llbountyhunter]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

not really, cerebus was able to sneek past the defences in the salarian base because of their reaper tech.

also the actuall purpose of the mission was never really answerd... possibly there waiting for EC.

It does not matter how much Reaper tech you have. Cerberus attack a bloody homeplanet when there were VIP's of significant importance present. Which would most likely mean that there god knows how many warships in orbit ready to defend.

So no. Cerberus being able to attack the Salarian homeworld is just another asspull.

I have to agree with this, unless they copied the stealth technology from the Normandy that they rebuilt.

nobody deteced the reapers when they attacked earth... they just "lost comunications" with lunar base and their fleet.

[balance5050]

Lizardviking wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

not really, cerebus was able to sneek past the defences in the salarian base because of their reaper tech.

also the actuall purpose of the mission was never really answerd... possibly there waiting for EC.

It does not matter how much Reaper tech you have. Cerberus attack a bloody homeplanet when there were VIP's of significant importance present. Which would most likely mean that there god knows how many warships in orbit ready to defend.

So no. Cerberus being able to attack the Salarian homeworld is just another asspull.

well then... if it doesnt matter how much reaper tech you have, then the reapers themselfs shouldnt be able to take out entire bases and planets.

oh wait.

Stop playing coy. The Reapers can conquer planets because they are a giant armade of highly advanced warships including terrifying 2 kilometer long warships. Something I doubt Cerberus has.

Cerberus collected the remains of Soverign, they are using reaper tech up the wazoo.