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[Zulmoka531]

eddieoctane wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Well that's something DA2 has up on ME3. It didn't end with a "buy more DLC" message.

You can bet that DA3 will.

You've made me a sad panda...

[nitefyre410]

IsaacShep wrote...



He ended the Reaper threat in every ending. He didn't "fail" any test in a dream/hallucination. It's done, already happened. He wins in every ending = every ending happened. Sorry IT

 

This right here - is the biggest slap of them all... really Bioware? not even a Thanks for playing... just  buy more of our crappy "Art" 

[GLR-0053]

You guys want to hear one more story?

Modifié par GLR-0053, 18 mai 2012 - 12:03 .

[Illusive]

Sisterofshane wrote...

The statement in the ending is kind of vague - it's not like it says "Ended the Reaper threat by doing x, y, z..."

It could be interpreted either way.

Yep. I'm skeptical of the IT theory myself, but this statement can also be interpreted as being in Shepard's mind. It doesn't say in whose point-of-view that Shepard ending the Reaper threat occurred. It could be in the POV of someone 1000 years in the future (disproving the IT theory), or it could be in Shepard's mind (which could be IT theory).

[djspectre]

Being a legend in your own mind (even if it's the matrix) doesn't truly count.

[shepskisaac]

Sisterofshane wrote...

The statement in the ending is kind of vague - it's not like it says "Ended the Reaper threat by doing x, y, z..."

It could be interpreted either way.

It can only be interpreted in one way - Reaper threat is ended in all scenarios. Therefore, IT can't be right because IT assumes that Shep fails to end the threat in Green and Blue scenario.

[Sisterofshane]

Kings19 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

The statement in the ending is kind of vague - it's not like it says "Ended the Reaper threat by doing x, y, z..."

It could be interpreted either way.

Yep. I'm skeptical of the IT theory myself, but this statement can also be interpreted as being in Shepard's mind. It doesn't say in whose point-of-view that Shepard ending the Reaper threat occurred. It could be in the POV of someone 1000 years in the future (disproving the IT theory), or it could be in Shepard's mind (which could be IT theory).

It does specifically say to "continue to buld the Legend" - why does this automatically mean that there will be nothing to expand upon the ending?

IMO, I'm gonna wait and see,

[shepskisaac]

Kings19 wrote...

Yep. I'm skeptical of the IT theory myself, but this statement can also be interpreted as being in Shepard's mind. It doesn't say in whose point-of-view that Shepard ending the Reaper threat occurred. It could be in the POV of someone 1000 years in the future (disproving the IT theory), or it could be in Shepard's mind (which could be IT theory).

djspectre wrote...

Being a legend in your own mind (even if it's the matrix) doesn't truly count.

It is not a statement in anyone's mind hello - "Buy DLC". Buy DLC is not a part of the story lol. Shepard doesn't dream about buying DLC, neither does anyone else

[liggy002]

IsaacShep wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

The statement in the ending is kind of vague - it's not like it says "Ended the Reaper threat by doing x, y, z..."

It could be interpreted either way.

It can only be interpreted in one way - Reaper threat is ended in all scenarios. Therefore, IT can't be right because IT assumes that Shep fails to end the threat in Green and Blue scenario.

Not necessarily.... the player could be penalized in the green and blue scenarios but not necessarily lose the game.  There are different interpretations of the IT.  The message doesn't say WHEN Shepard ended the Reaper threat.

[ShepnTali]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Kings19 wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

The statement in the ending is kind of vague - it's not like it says "Ended the Reaper threat by doing x, y, z..."

It could be interpreted either way.

Yep. I'm skeptical of the IT theory myself, but this statement can also be interpreted as being in Shepard's mind. It doesn't say in whose point-of-view that Shepard ending the Reaper threat occurred. It could be in the POV of someone 1000 years in the future (disproving the IT theory), or it could be in Shepard's mind (which could be IT theory).

It does specifically say to "continue to buld the Legend" - why does this automatically mean that there will be nothing to expand upon the ending?

IMO, I'm gonna wait and see,

Because it's very important we argue about it. Wait and see discourages flame wars, you see.

[Sisterofshane]

IsaacShep wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

The statement in the ending is kind of vague - it's not like it says "Ended the Reaper threat by doing x, y, z..."

It could be interpreted either way.

It can only be interpreted in one way - Reaper threat is ended in all scenarios. Therefore, IT can't be right because IT assumes that Shep fails to end the threat in Green and Blue scenario.

The only thing that IT assumes is that Shepard doesn't become indoctrinated if he picks the red ending.  It is highly possible for a continuation of the ending (not that I believe this will happen) will allow for even an indoctrinated Shepard to be capable of stopping the Reapers.

[Gormane01]

Fact - Bioware considered making Indoctrination the ending.
Fact - The considered it being a gameplay option but felt the controls were to difficult so removed it.

As above are both proven but the ME3 App Final Hours, you KNOW Bioware considered Indoctrination a serious option, and whilst the did say they were not going to pursue the gameplay elements they did not mention if Indoctrination was still their intent, it is strange for them to specifically list the 'gameplay elements' as being too difficult if they didn't like the whole concept.

IT theory is a perfectly valid hypothesis. It may or may not be true but it has not been disproven up to this point.

Lastly the final note doesn't really show much, it really just says 'the game is over now buy our DLC' Personally I wouldn't read into it too much, particularly when compared with the 'Ok one more story' bit immediately before it.

[shepskisaac]

Gormane01 wrote...

Fact - Bioware considered making Indoctrination the ending.

Indoctrination does not equal the same as "everything atfer Harby's beam is hallucination". Huge difference.

liggy002 wrote...

Not necessarily.... the player could be penalized in the green and blue scenarios but not necessarily lose the game.  There are different interpretations of the IT.  The message doesn't say WHEN Shepard ended the Reaper threat.

But if you're becoming fully indoctrinated, then you won't do anything against the Reapers anymore so Shep wouldn't have a chance to end the Reaper threat anymore if Blue/Green ending resulted in Indoctrination and if it all happened in a dream. Simple.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 mai 2012 - 12:20 .

[Magiking117]

Sisterofshane wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

The statement in the ending is kind of vague - it's not like it says "Ended the Reaper threat by doing x, y, z..."

It could be interpreted either way.

It can only be interpreted in one way - Reaper threat is ended in all scenarios. Therefore, IT can't be right because IT assumes that Shep fails to end the threat in Green and Blue scenario.

The only thing that IT assumes is that Shepard doesn't become indoctrinated if he picks the red ending.  It is highly possible for a continuation of the ending (not that I believe this will happen) will allow for even an indoctrinated Shepard to be capable of stopping the Reapers.

Whilst I flat out disagree; that would make Shepard more awesome. To actually overcome the indoctination, after having been seemingly indoctrinated, and end the Reaper threat.

[Sisterofshane]

IsaacShep wrote...

Gormane01 wrote...

Fact - Bioware considered making Indoctrination the ending.

Indoctrination does not equal the same as "everything atfer Harby's beam is hallucination". Huge difference.

liggy002 wrote...

Not necessarily.... the player could be penalized in the green and blue scenarios but not necessarily lose the game.  There are different interpretations of the IT.  The message doesn't say WHEN Shepard ended the Reaper threat.

But if you're becoming fully indoctrinated, then you won't do anything against the Reapers anymore so Shep wouldn't have a chance to end the Reaper threat anymore if Blue/Green ending resulted in Indoctrination and if it all happened in a dream. Simple.

So certainly Shiala should still be serving the Reapers.  And it should have been impossible to get the location of the Mu Realy from Matriarch Benezia - and both Saren and TIM would have fought you to the death, not give up and shoot themselves...

[ediskrad327]

SHHHHHH don't destroy people's hopes! >

[bahamutomega]

IsaacShep wrote...

Xellith wrote...

This doesnt disprove my original A.I.T.

Which is? (i'm assuming it means some Alternative IT?) Doesn't matter anyway. It disproves the "main" IT

i don't know what AIT is, but your statement proves that you have been indoctrinated.

[shepskisaac]

Sisterofshane wrote...

So certainly Shiala should still be serving the Reapers.  And it should have been impossible to get the location of the Mu Realy from Matriarch Benezia - and both Saren and TIM would have fought you to the death, not give up and shoot themselves...

But where are Shiala and Benezia's fully indoctrinated glowing blue eyes?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 mai 2012 - 12:30 .

[Kildin_of_the_Volus]

Oh look, its this guy. Srsly, you a closet-case IT self hater or something. You sure do make a lot of half assed jabs at IT

[Sisterofshane]

IsaacShep wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

So certainly Shiala should still be serving the Reapers.  And it should have been impossible to get the location of the Mu Realy from Matriarch Benezia - and both Saren and TIM would have fought you to the death, not give up and shoot themselves...

But where are Shiala and Benezia fully indoctrinated glowing blue eyes?

LOL, does it matter?  Your statement above was that an indoctrinated person would be incapable of opposing the Reapers.  I disqualified the statement - we have four prime examples of indoctrinated characters who manage to (in some fashion, even if not permanent) consciously oppose the Reapers.

We know for a fact that Shepard has bested all of these people (do Shiala clones count?).  The game makes it a point of telling us, over and over, that Shepard has extrodinary will power.

So even if Shepard managed to become indoctrinated, do you think it would be impossible for him to make the right decision exactly when it mattered in order to defeat the Reapers?

If you don't believe that statement, then it would be possible for the game to continue despite Shepard being indoctrinated, and the Reaper threat could still be ended.

[shepskisaac]

Sisterofshane wrote...

LOL, does it matter?  Your statement above was that an indoctrinated person would be incapable of opposing the Reapers.  I disqualified the statement - we have four prime examples of indoctrinated characters who manage to (in some fashion, even if not permanent) consciously oppose the Reapers.

We know for a fact that Shepard has bested all of these people (do Shiala clones count?).  The game makes it a point of telling us, over and over, that Shepard has extrodinary will power.

So even if Shepard managed to become indoctrinated, do you think it would be impossible for him to make the right decision exactly when it mattered in order to defeat the Reapers?

If you don't believe that statement, then it would be possible for the game to continue despite Shepard being indoctrinated, and the Reaper threat could still be ended.

The only decision Saren and TIM managed to do was shooting themselves. Not much

[RogueBot]

luk3us wrote...


No the saddest is Shepard's final words...

I... I don't know.


Yaaa....

But it shows how Shepard is just a normal human being after all! He's so RELATABLE now! I want to have a drink with him and elect him president now that I know he's one of us and not some namby-pamby intellectual who uses big words.

Modifié par RogueBot, 18 mai 2012 - 12:45 .

[Hellfire257]

IsaacShep wrote...
Not much

That depends on how much willpower you consider suicide to take. But then again, it could be the indoctrination forcing them to shoot themselves. A rebellious thrall is better off dead than ending up a thorn in the side.

[Gormane01]

IsaacShep wrote...

Gormane01 wrote...

Fact - Bioware considered making Indoctrination the ending.

Indoctrination does not equal the same as "everything atfer Harby's beam is hallucination". Huge difference.

liggy002 wrote...

Not necessarily.... the player could be penalized in the green and blue scenarios but not necessarily lose the game.  There are different interpretations of the IT.  The message doesn't say WHEN Shepard ended the Reaper threat.

But if you're becoming fully indoctrinated, then you won't do anything against the Reapers anymore so Shep wouldn't have a chance to end the Reaper threat anymore if Blue/Green ending resulted in Indoctrination and if it all happened in a dream. Simple.

Honestly I'm up in the air on IT occuring and certainly I'm not saying it was from the second Habry's beam hit, i'm just saying it was considered which increases IT as being POSSIBLE (not that it is true just that it's possible)

Regarding the Blue/Green options. Again this could be construed in numerous ways, but in if IT is true then Shep is Indoct, If red option is chosen Shep isn't. It just isn't clear (the real issue with the endings) and the IT isn't really focused on what happens next so much as WTF just happened. There have been lots of ideas put forward about the 'after ME3' but IT isn't really about that bit because it's quite easy to go somewhere with IT (even if Green/Blue involve you playing as a different character etc)