Aller au contenu

Photo

Bioware already said the endings were real - IT is wrong


  • Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre
446 réponses à ce sujet

#151
Makrys

Makrys
  • Members
  • 2 543 messages

Seboist wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The ITers remind me of those that continue to claim that Taxi Driver's ending was a "dream" even though Martin Sorsese flat out said it wasn't. In both cases these deluded fanboys only need to look in the mirror to see who's really dreaming.


And this is what I mean. Anti-ITers being completely disrespectful to someones interpretation just because they don't match you're own. Grow up.


My "interpretation" is "crap writers + crap story = crap ending". An extreme in thought no doubt.

If you ITers stopped for one minute to think about what you're proposing you'd realize how utterly moronic and insane your ****** poor "theory" is. The same writers who turned Cerberus into a galactic sith empire and have Alliance officials act like blubbering morons groveling at the feet of the player would come up with something so sophisticated and subtle?

Get the **** out of here with that bull****.


And there your true colors are shown.

#152
Forsythia

Forsythia
  • Members
  • 932 messages
Ugh, that screen is just the icing on the cake after that horrible ending. What were they thinking? Everything they claim about 'artistic integrity' is nullified with that screen. Not because additional DLC is bad, but to blabantly advertise it at the ending of the game is just insulting. The final screen from a great trilogy shouldn't be an advertisement. It's just pathetic.

And no, that screen does not disprove the IT at all. We'll just have to wait for the EC.

#153
Tyrannosaurus Rex

Tyrannosaurus Rex
  • Members
  • 10 793 messages

Makrys wrote...
Why? So you can continue to bash my interpretation of the ending? I see what you're doing. I won't waste time laying out my opinions if you have nothing better to do than to disrepect them.

I don't disrespect or bash yours. You're free to believe what you want. But somehow its like you find ITists offensive. How dare someone interpret the ending differently than you! Oh, I'm sorry. Get over it. People have opinions. Its life. At this point, no one knows anything anyway.


Why should people respect IT when IT is by its very definition, unrespectful and condescending toward them?

#154
Raiil

Raiil
  • Members
  • 4 011 messages
Come on guys, we've all got the right to our own interpretations. Getting hot under the collar wont help.

#155
Leonardo the Magnificent

Leonardo the Magnificent
  • Members
  • 1 920 messages

Makrys wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...
The epilogues are exactly the same because either way, no matter what choice you choose, Shepard is dreaming... And the epilogues are his interpretation in his mind of what hope is. All of what happens is what he is hoping but also rationally thinking will happen. It doesn't mean everything has to make sense, because in a dream, often times things do not. All we know, is that Bioware intended the 'dreamyness' of the ending. So take that as far as you will.


The ending cutscene represents hope?

Why would Shepard dream that the crucible backfires and purges all life on Earth. Not exactly hopeful.


Like I said, NOT ALL OF IT IS HOPEFUL. God, why do I have to explain things countless times? Part of the epilogue is a logical vision of what he thinks is happening. So, if you didn't spend very much time aquiring assets and getting a high enough EMS, no you won't be as hopeful, and your vision of the end will be much more grim. But no matter what, Shepard always dreams that his teammates make it out, because that matters to him the most. Some of the epilogue, is hope, some is rational thinking.  If Shepard did a craptastic job of uniting the galaxy, he probably wouldn't feel to good about how it all ends.


Execpt that his squadmates don't make it out in the worst endings. No one exits the Normandy in the worst ending.


Well, I did not know that. And that further solidifies my point that he is thinking logically.


Oh? So it is a dream/vision inside Shepard's head that is filled with hope. Yet Earth is purged of life and everyone on the Normandy died?


If you had high EMS, it is hopeful. If you had low EMS its much less hopeful and more logical. Shep knows the work he's put into everything. If he couldn't do all that much, his vision of the end will be grim. If he accomplished much along the way, he is likely to hope and think the end would work out ok.


And the stargazer scene? I'd really like an explanation for it that and its relation to IT.


Why? So you can continue to bash my interpretation of the ending? I see what you're doing. I won't waste time laying out my opinions if you have nothing better to do than to disrepect them.

I don't disrespect or bash yours. You're free to believe what you want. But somehow its like you find ITists offensive. How dare someone interpret the ending differently than you! Oh, I'm sorry. Get over it. People have opinions. Its life. At this point, no one knows anything anyway.


Hello pot, I'm kettle. You're black.

#156
BatmanTurian

BatmanTurian
  • Members
  • 4 735 messages

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...
The epilogues are exactly the same because either way, no matter what choice you choose, Shepard is dreaming... And the epilogues are his interpretation in his mind of what hope is. All of what happens is what he is hoping but also rationally thinking will happen. It doesn't mean everything has to make sense, because in a dream, often times things do not. All we know, is that Bioware intended the 'dreamyness' of the ending. So take that as far as you will.


The ending cutscene represents hope?

Why would Shepard dream that the crucible backfires and purges all life on Earth. Not exactly hopeful.


Like I said, NOT ALL OF IT IS HOPEFUL. God, why do I have to explain things countless times? Part of the epilogue is a logical vision of what he thinks is happening. So, if you didn't spend very much time aquiring assets and getting a high enough EMS, no you won't be as hopeful, and your vision of the end will be much more grim. But no matter what, Shepard always dreams that his teammates make it out, because that matters to him the most. Some of the epilogue, is hope, some is rational thinking.  If Shepard did a craptastic job of uniting the galaxy, he probably wouldn't feel to good about how it all ends.


Execpt that his squadmates don't make it out in the worst endings. No one exits the Normandy in the worst ending.


Well, I did not know that. And that further solidifies my point that he is thinking logically.


Oh? So it is a dream/vision inside Shepard's head that is filled with hope. Yet Earth is purged of life and everyone on the Normandy died?


If you had high EMS, it is hopeful. If you had low EMS its much less hopeful and more logical. Shep knows the work he's put into everything. If he couldn't do all that much, his vision of the end will be grim. If he accomplished much along the way, he is likely to hope and think the end would work out ok.


And the stargazer scene? I'd really like an explanation for it that and its relation to IT.


Stargazer is an old man telling a kid a story about The Shepard, who I assume we are to believe became a legend like the greek myths involving Hercules and Odysseas. Shepard already is a legend so these " extra stories" which would be pre-ending and true-ending DLC's would " build on that legend" and be the " one more story".

#157
Makrys

Makrys
  • Members
  • 2 543 messages

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...
The epilogues are exactly the same because either way, no matter what choice you choose, Shepard is dreaming... And the epilogues are his interpretation in his mind of what hope is. All of what happens is what he is hoping but also rationally thinking will happen. It doesn't mean everything has to make sense, because in a dream, often times things do not. All we know, is that Bioware intended the 'dreamyness' of the ending. So take that as far as you will.


The ending cutscene represents hope?

Why would Shepard dream that the crucible backfires and purges all life on Earth. Not exactly hopeful.


Like I said, NOT ALL OF IT IS HOPEFUL. God, why do I have to explain things countless times? Part of the epilogue is a logical vision of what he thinks is happening. So, if you didn't spend very much time aquiring assets and getting a high enough EMS, no you won't be as hopeful, and your vision of the end will be much more grim. But no matter what, Shepard always dreams that his teammates make it out, because that matters to him the most. Some of the epilogue, is hope, some is rational thinking.  If Shepard did a craptastic job of uniting the galaxy, he probably wouldn't feel to good about how it all ends.


Execpt that his squadmates don't make it out in the worst endings. No one exits the Normandy in the worst ending.


Well, I did not know that. And that further solidifies my point that he is thinking logically.


Oh? So it is a dream/vision inside Shepard's head that is filled with hope. Yet Earth is purged of life and everyone on the Normandy died?


If you had high EMS, it is hopeful. If you had low EMS its much less hopeful and more logical. Shep knows the work he's put into everything. If he couldn't do all that much, his vision of the end will be grim. If he accomplished much along the way, he is likely to hope and think the end would work out ok.


And the stargazer scene? I'd really like an explanation for it that and its relation to IT.


Why? So you can continue to bash my interpretation of the ending? I see what you're doing. I won't waste time laying out my opinions if you have nothing better to do than to disrepect them.

I don't disrespect or bash yours. You're free to believe what you want. But somehow its like you find ITists offensive. How dare someone interpret the ending differently than you! Oh, I'm sorry. Get over it. People have opinions. Its life. At this point, no one knows anything anyway.


Hello pot, I'm kettle. You're black.


Oh my god. I give up. You want nothing but to argue. So fine. I'll leave you to hate the IT on your own. Pointless to try to discuss anything with you. 

#158
Makrys

Makrys
  • Members
  • 2 543 messages

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...
Why? So you can continue to bash my interpretation of the ending? I see what you're doing. I won't waste time laying out my opinions if you have nothing better to do than to disrepect them.

I don't disrespect or bash yours. You're free to believe what you want. But somehow its like you find ITists offensive. How dare someone interpret the ending differently than you! Oh, I'm sorry. Get over it. People have opinions. Its life. At this point, no one knows anything anyway.


Why should people respect IT when IT is by its very definition, unrespectful and condescending toward them?


Lol. Ok. Whatever. The ending as is, is whats disrespectful and insulting. If you knew a lick about the IT you would know it is not these things in the slightest. You just want to bash it for the sake of bashing. So, go ahead.

Modifié par Makrys, 18 mai 2012 - 04:19 .


#159
BatmanTurian

BatmanTurian
  • Members
  • 4 735 messages

Seboist wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The ITers remind me of those that continue to claim that Taxi Driver's ending was a "dream" even though Martin Sorsese flat out said it wasn't. In both cases these deluded fanboys only need to look in the mirror to see who's really dreaming.


And this is what I mean. Anti-ITers being completely disrespectful to someones interpretation just because they don't match you're own. Grow up.


My "interpretation" is "crap writers + crap story = crap ending". An extreme in thought no doubt.

If you ITers stopped for one minute to think about what you're proposing you'd realize how utterly moronic and insane your ****** poor "theory" is. The same writers who turned Cerberus into a galactic sith empire and have Alliance officials act like blubbering morons groveling at the feet of the player would come up with something so sophisticated and subtle?

Get the **** out of here with that bull****.


Still representing your side well I see. And still discouraging discussion in a discussion forum. Do you go into restaurants and yell at people to stop eating and ordering food?

#160
Icinix

Icinix
  • Members
  • 8 188 messages

Seboist wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The ITers remind me of those that continue to claim that Taxi Driver's ending was a "dream" even though Martin Sorsese flat out said it wasn't. In both cases these deluded fanboys only need to look in the mirror to see who's really dreaming.


And this is what I mean. Anti-ITers being completely disrespectful to someones interpretation just because they don't match you're own. Grow up.


My "interpretation" is "crap writers + crap story = crap ending". An extreme in thought no doubt.

If you ITers stopped for one minute to think about what you're proposing you'd realize how utterly moronic and insane your ****** poor "theory" is. The same writers who turned Cerberus into a galactic sith empire and have Alliance officials act like blubbering morons groveling at the feet of the player would come up with something so sophisticated and subtle?

Get the **** out of here with that bull****.


Does this make you a deluded anti-fanboy?

BioWare has had some very good twists in their games in the past. KOTOR could lead to most of your squad turning on you and you being forced to kill them a short time before the final stages. DAO could see a similar thing occur and DA2 has one of your squad commmit an amazingly bad act that you could then forgive him or stab him for.

This ****** poor theory you're referring to is well in line with what BioWare has done in the past, is a deep seated theme within the game, brought up and hinted at repeatedly, that has enough weight to have merit and the best part about this theory, its' based on the idea its making the player believe they're not. Making the player feel something their avatar is feeling. Which is something that was brought up at several stages during the marketing of Mass Effect.

Anyway, believe what you want, go for it, but maybe lay off being a jerk about it eh?

#161
Leonardo the Magnificent

Leonardo the Magnificent
  • Members
  • 1 920 messages

BatmanTurian wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...
The epilogues are exactly the same because either way, no matter what choice you choose, Shepard is dreaming... And the epilogues are his interpretation in his mind of what hope is. All of what happens is what he is hoping but also rationally thinking will happen. It doesn't mean everything has to make sense, because in a dream, often times things do not. All we know, is that Bioware intended the 'dreamyness' of the ending. So take that as far as you will.


The ending cutscene represents hope?

Why would Shepard dream that the crucible backfires and purges all life on Earth. Not exactly hopeful.


Like I said, NOT ALL OF IT IS HOPEFUL. God, why do I have to explain things countless times? Part of the epilogue is a logical vision of what he thinks is happening. So, if you didn't spend very much time aquiring assets and getting a high enough EMS, no you won't be as hopeful, and your vision of the end will be much more grim. But no matter what, Shepard always dreams that his teammates make it out, because that matters to him the most. Some of the epilogue, is hope, some is rational thinking.  If Shepard did a craptastic job of uniting the galaxy, he probably wouldn't feel to good about how it all ends.


Execpt that his squadmates don't make it out in the worst endings. No one exits the Normandy in the worst ending.


Well, I did not know that. And that further solidifies my point that he is thinking logically.


Oh? So it is a dream/vision inside Shepard's head that is filled with hope. Yet Earth is purged of life and everyone on the Normandy died?


If you had high EMS, it is hopeful. If you had low EMS its much less hopeful and more logical. Shep knows the work he's put into everything. If he couldn't do all that much, his vision of the end will be grim. If he accomplished much along the way, he is likely to hope and think the end would work out ok.


And the stargazer scene? I'd really like an explanation for it that and its relation to IT.


Stargazer is an old man telling a kid a story about The Shepard, who I assume we are to believe became a legend like the greek myths involving Hercules and Odysseas. Shepard already is a legend so these " extra stories" which would be pre-ending and true-ending DLC's would " build on that legend" and be the " one more story".


I could see that. But Shepard isn't really that much of a tragic hero, so much as an epic hero. Well, reneShep could be classified as tragic.

#162
BatmanTurian

BatmanTurian
  • Members
  • 4 735 messages

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...
Why? So you can continue to bash my interpretation of the ending? I see what you're doing. I won't waste time laying out my opinions if you have nothing better to do than to disrepect them.

I don't disrespect or bash yours. You're free to believe what you want. But somehow its like you find ITists offensive. How dare someone interpret the ending differently than you! Oh, I'm sorry. Get over it. People have opinions. Its life. At this point, no one knows anything anyway.


Why should people respect IT when IT is by its very definition, unrespectful and condescending toward them?


Because both interpretations are valid and respectable until the EC actually comes out. Until then, nobody has a monopoly on the truth.

#163
Stigweird85

Stigweird85
  • Members
  • 733 messages
Do we really need another thread bashing either side, there are plenty well established threads discussing the pros and cons of the literal and IT endings as well as a whole host of others.

At the moment, all anybody has is speculation. Accept it, When the EC comes out it may reveal IT it may reveal a literal ending, it may reveal something completly different, we just don't know.

By all means have a discussion about the merits of either side but can we all act like adults and realise that we don't have the answers.

#164
Leonardo the Magnificent

Leonardo the Magnificent
  • Members
  • 1 920 messages

Icinix wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The ITers remind me of those that continue to claim that Taxi Driver's ending was a "dream" even though Martin Sorsese flat out said it wasn't. In both cases these deluded fanboys only need to look in the mirror to see who's really dreaming.


And this is what I mean. Anti-ITers being completely disrespectful to someones interpretation just because they don't match you're own. Grow up.


My "interpretation" is "crap writers + crap story = crap ending". An extreme in thought no doubt.

If you ITers stopped for one minute to think about what you're proposing you'd realize how utterly moronic and insane your ****** poor "theory" is. The same writers who turned Cerberus into a galactic sith empire and have Alliance officials act like blubbering morons groveling at the feet of the player would come up with something so sophisticated and subtle?

Get the **** out of here with that bull****.


Does this make you a deluded anti-fanboy?

BioWare has had some very good twists in their games in the past. KOTOR could lead to most of your squad turning on you and you being forced to kill them a short time before the final stages. DAO could see a similar thing occur and DA2 has one of your squad commmit an amazingly bad act that you could then forgive him or stab him for.

This ****** poor theory you're referring to is well in line with what BioWare has done in the past, is a deep seated theme within the game, brought up and hinted at repeatedly, that has enough weight to have merit and the best part about this theory, its' based on the idea its making the player believe they're not. Making the player feel something their avatar is feeling. Which is something that was brought up at several stages during the marketing of Mass Effect.

Anyway, believe what you want, go for it, but maybe lay off being a jerk about it eh?



Those were different writing teams, though. ME3 has a new lead writer, and so far his performance has been less than stellar. (I'm aware Walters worked on ME2 but that was along with or under Karpyshyn)

#165
RavenEyry

RavenEyry
  • Members
  • 4 394 messages
It'd be nice if a person could form an opinion on a topic of their choice without those of a different opinion considering it their duty to be as rude and offensive to that person as possible. I live in hopes that one day this would be possible.

#166
Makrys

Makrys
  • Members
  • 2 543 messages

bigstig wrote...

Do we really need another thread bashing either side, there are plenty well established threads discussing the pros and cons of the literal and IT endings as well as a whole host of others.

At the moment, all anybody has is speculation. Accept it, When the EC comes out it may reveal IT it may reveal a literal ending, it may reveal something completly different, we just don't know.

By all means have a discussion about the merits of either side but can we all act like adults and realise that we don't have the answers.


Thank you. Amen.

#167
BatmanTurian

BatmanTurian
  • Members
  • 4 735 messages

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...
The epilogues are exactly the same because either way, no matter what choice you choose, Shepard is dreaming... And the epilogues are his interpretation in his mind of what hope is. All of what happens is what he is hoping but also rationally thinking will happen. It doesn't mean everything has to make sense, because in a dream, often times things do not. All we know, is that Bioware intended the 'dreamyness' of the ending. So take that as far as you will.


The ending cutscene represents hope?

Why would Shepard dream that the crucible backfires and purges all life on Earth. Not exactly hopeful.


Like I said, NOT ALL OF IT IS HOPEFUL. God, why do I have to explain things countless times? Part of the epilogue is a logical vision of what he thinks is happening. So, if you didn't spend very much time aquiring assets and getting a high enough EMS, no you won't be as hopeful, and your vision of the end will be much more grim. But no matter what, Shepard always dreams that his teammates make it out, because that matters to him the most. Some of the epilogue, is hope, some is rational thinking.  If Shepard did a craptastic job of uniting the galaxy, he probably wouldn't feel to good about how it all ends.


Execpt that his squadmates don't make it out in the worst endings. No one exits the Normandy in the worst ending.


Well, I did not know that. And that further solidifies my point that he is thinking logically.


Oh? So it is a dream/vision inside Shepard's head that is filled with hope. Yet Earth is purged of life and everyone on the Normandy died?


If you had high EMS, it is hopeful. If you had low EMS its much less hopeful and more logical. Shep knows the work he's put into everything. If he couldn't do all that much, his vision of the end will be grim. If he accomplished much along the way, he is likely to hope and think the end would work out ok.


And the stargazer scene? I'd really like an explanation for it that and its relation to IT.


Stargazer is an old man telling a kid a story about The Shepard, who I assume we are to believe became a legend like the greek myths involving Hercules and Odysseas. Shepard already is a legend so these " extra stories" which would be pre-ending and true-ending DLC's would " build on that legend" and be the " one more story".


I could see that. But Shepard isn't really that much of a tragic hero, so much as an epic hero. Well, reneShep could be classified as tragic.


Yes, he would be an epic hero, like Perseus, who defeated the Minotaur etc. I wouldn't go as far as to say a religion has sprung up around Shepard, but people are telling stories and reciting myths about The Shepard. In this case, who knows if the story is even true at that point since it would get more bombastic with every new telling, adding more and more exaggerated and made up things. We could be playing a story that was made up and added to from thousands-millions of people playing Telophone as they tell it and retell it. You could arguably say that in-universe, the Mass Effect series is the equivalent of a Greek myth to us in the modern age. Maybe the characters might have been real people, but the details have been lost to time and are made up.

#168
MaximizedAction

MaximizedAction
  • Members
  • 3 293 messages
@OP:
Claiming that something IS wrong, and not just your opinion, needs objective proof or explicit evidence.
Neither pro-IT nor anti-IT people have those. So claiming that IT is wrong is far fetched.

It's all supposed to be peaceful speculations from everyone.

#169
poundoffleshaa

poundoffleshaa
  • Members
  • 475 messages

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Those were different writing teams, though. ME3 has a new lead writer, and so far his performance has been less than stellar. (I'm aware Walters worked on ME2 but that was along with or under Karpyshyn)


I personally don't think IT is likly it just gives far to much credit to the Bioware writing team, but you seem very determined to disprove the theory ( which can be equated to breaking other peoples happiness in this case) why?

#170
Makrys

Makrys
  • Members
  • 2 543 messages

RavenEyry wrote...

It'd be nice if a person could form an opinion on a topic of their choice without those of a different opinion considering it their duty to be as rude and offensive to that person as possible. I live in hopes that one day this would be possible.


Thats what I'm talking about. An ITist can't seem to go anywhere without an anti-ITist right on his back slicing away. Its like... wtf happened to differing opinions? Nope. Out the window.

Modifié par Makrys, 18 mai 2012 - 04:29 .


#171
Tyrannosaurus Rex

Tyrannosaurus Rex
  • Members
  • 10 793 messages

Makrys wrote...
Lol. Ok. Whatever. The ending as is, is whats disrespectful and insulting. If you knew a lick about the IT you would know it is not these things in the slightest.


The current endings sucks and should be fixed. I do not think anyone is denying this, but doing it by completely negating and punishing 2 out of the 3 end choices is not the way to do it.

#172
ElementL09

ElementL09
  • Members
  • 1 997 messages
That picture is hardly confirmation to begin with, if anything it hints to post game DLC.  IT has merit, it has more evidence point towards the ending being a hallucination or some form of indocturnation.  Plus, Bioware made this game, they know the story, I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't think fans would come up with a theory like the IT after all of the events that happened in the Mass Effect games and novels and comics.

#173
Icinix

Icinix
  • Members
  • 8 188 messages

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The ITers remind me of those that continue to claim that Taxi Driver's ending was a "dream" even though Martin Sorsese flat out said it wasn't. In both cases these deluded fanboys only need to look in the mirror to see who's really dreaming.


And this is what I mean. Anti-ITers being completely disrespectful to someones interpretation just because they don't match you're own. Grow up.


My "interpretation" is "crap writers + crap story = crap ending". An extreme in thought no doubt.

If you ITers stopped for one minute to think about what you're proposing you'd realize how utterly moronic and insane your ****** poor "theory" is. The same writers who turned Cerberus into a galactic sith empire and have Alliance officials act like blubbering morons groveling at the feet of the player would come up with something so sophisticated and subtle?

Get the **** out of here with that bull****.


Does this make you a deluded anti-fanboy?

BioWare has had some very good twists in their games in the past. KOTOR could lead to most of your squad turning on you and you being forced to kill them a short time before the final stages. DAO could see a similar thing occur and DA2 has one of your squad commmit an amazingly bad act that you could then forgive him or stab him for.

This ****** poor theory you're referring to is well in line with what BioWare has done in the past, is a deep seated theme within the game, brought up and hinted at repeatedly, that has enough weight to have merit and the best part about this theory, its' based on the idea its making the player believe they're not. Making the player feel something their avatar is feeling. Which is something that was brought up at several stages during the marketing of Mass Effect.

Anyway, believe what you want, go for it, but maybe lay off being a jerk about it eh?



Those were different writing teams, though. ME3 has a new lead writer, and so far his performance has been less than stellar. (I'm aware Walters worked on ME2 but that was along with or under Karpyshyn)


Casey was still producer on KOTOR though - I think Walter was still lead on ME2 as well. Regardless, the twist, the betrayal, whatever - its very much a BioWare thing regardless of who is writing it.

..and yeah, to be honest, ME2 and ME3 I felt dropped the ball on the Mass Effect galaxy, I really do - but the ending, I just can't believe any company could screw up that bad when there is so much with what appears to be nudges and winks and suggestions. The characters like TIM with titanium resolve suddenly becoming the blubbering mess, the magic teleporting and lack of lodgement at the end and all of the other stuff. I hate EA, but they've canned games before publication that have botched far less than that.

#174
Makrys

Makrys
  • Members
  • 2 543 messages

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...
Lol. Ok. Whatever. The ending as is, is whats disrespectful and insulting. If you knew a lick about the IT you would know it is not these things in the slightest.


The current endings sucks and should be fixed. I do not think anyone is denying this, but doing it by completely negating and punishing 2 out of the 3 end choices is not the way to do it.


The IT DOESN'T GAURANTEE that the game doesn't continue when you choose control or synthesis. In fact, I think it will! So if thats what you hate about it, get over it. NO ONE KNOWS.

Modifié par Makrys, 18 mai 2012 - 04:32 .


#175
Tyrannosaurus Rex

Tyrannosaurus Rex
  • Members
  • 10 793 messages

Makrys wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Makrys wrote...
Lol. Ok. Whatever. The ending as is, is whats disrespectful and insulting. If you knew a lick about the IT you would know it is not these things in the slightest.


The current endings sucks and should be fixed. I do not think anyone is denying this, but doing it by completely negating and punishing 2 out of the 3 end choices is not the way to do it.


The IT DOESN'T GAURANTEE that the game doesn't continue when you choose control or synthesis. In fact, I think it will! So if thats what you hate about it, get over it. NO ONE KNOWS.


Point missed completely.:wizard: