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#51
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I named myself SanTzu (the San are an indigenous people of South Africa, while Sun Tzu is a famous Japanese author). I kind of regret adding the za on the end, but that at least tells you that I have a terrible connection - 38 kb/s.


No, he is/was Chinese, not Japanese.


Darn. Well this is embarrassing. :lol:

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Everyone's nationalist when the chips are down.

Hell, imagine someone touching your kid.

Feel a little bit.. tribal? Want to destroy the outsider?

It's how we're wired as people.


Tribalism is the bane of humanity, I have said it many times and its various manifestations (football teams, nationalism, ethnicity, etc.)  do nowt to contrbute to our progress as a species.


Nonsense. Short sighted and ignorant nonsense. Cultural differences should be celebrated, not eliminated. Without our tribalist nature, some of the most beautiful and spectacular events, traditions and celebrations would be long dead, and the world would be a sadder place for it. The downside to humanity's innate tribalism is not that it exists, but rather that it causes distrust of the unfamiliar. This is a small price to pay, though, because it also causes fascination and curiosity, two of the most significant driving forces behind our progress as a species.


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You got it all wrong people. I am from Poland and the reason many of us add PL (excluding me, because I don't feel the need) is because when we are playing online we are searching for other polish players, it was encouraged by many polish websites where people who work there were inviting their readers to play with them in some online games like WoW, CoD itd.

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Viva Poland. One of my groomsmen was a second-generation Polish guy. Totally a cool guy.

Had a heap of stories from his grandfather who fought with the Polish partisans. Iron tough folk.

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Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Radio Moscow wrote...

Everyone's nationalist when the chips are down.

Hell, imagine someone touching your kid.

Feel a little bit.. tribal? Want to destroy the outsider?

It's how we're wired as people.


Tribalism is the bane of humanity, I have said it many times and its various manifestations (football teams, nationalism, ethnicity, etc.)  do nowt to contrbute to our progress as a species.


Nonsense. Short sighted and ignorant nonsense. Cultural differences should be celebrated, not eliminated. Without our tribalist nature, some of the most beautiful and spectacular events, traditions and celebrations would be long dead, and the world would be a sadder place for it. The downside to humanity's innate tribalism is not that it exists, but rather that it causes distrust of the unfamiliar. This is a small price to pay, though, because it also causes fascination and curiosity, two of the most significant driving forces behind our progress as a species.


Small price to pay= billions of violent deaths, hatred, cruelty and a host of other small prices. Spot on.;)

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@O Revan X got it right we do that to sometimes find players that speak our language, as for me I play with anyone.

Modifié par CptBomBom00, 18 mai 2012 - 11:23 .


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Stardusk wrote...

Small price to pay= billions of violent deaths, hatred, cruelty and a host of other small prices. Spot on.;)


Then we should kick off ideologies too!

I mean, how many people died for those too?

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Mesina2 wrote...

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Small price to pay= billions of violent deaths, hatred, cruelty and a host of other small prices. Spot on.;)


Then we should kick off ideologies too!

I mean, how many people died for those too?


Ideological adherents are also practising tribalism. All in-group/us/them thinking is. And I included those in the billions that have died for tribalism's sake.

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^Oh, this too. But still can't beat all the _CZ I saw.

/zen


This ! All the Czech people do this with few exceptions (like me, but I do have mCZ in my name but it has nothing to do with CZ).


I don´t use it either. I actually never ever met player with CZ in nickname. The game keeps connecting me to russian players instead Image IPB

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Stardusk wrote...

Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

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Everyone's nationalist when the chips are down.

Hell, imagine someone touching your kid.

Feel a little bit.. tribal? Want to destroy the outsider?

It's how we're wired as people.


Tribalism is the bane of humanity, I have said it many times and its various manifestations (football teams, nationalism, ethnicity, etc.)  do nowt to contrbute to our progress as a species.


Nonsense. Short sighted and ignorant nonsense. Cultural differences should be celebrated, not eliminated. Without our tribalist nature, some of the most beautiful and spectacular events, traditions and celebrations would be long dead, and the world would be a sadder place for it. The downside to humanity's innate tribalism is not that it exists, but rather that it causes distrust of the unfamiliar. This is a small price to pay, though, because it also causes fascination and curiosity, two of the most significant driving forces behind our progress as a species.


Small price to pay= billions of violent deaths, hatred, cruelty and a host of other small prices. Spot on.;)


For the existance of our species as a whole? Without human curiosity, the drive to explore, discover and understand new things, places and people, we'd still be sitting in trees and picking through our fur for lice. That drive is a direct result of our tribalist nature.

Death, war and strife are truly unfortunate things, but they're a result of a diverse world filled with thousands of unique and marvelous cultures.

A world without these things is a dull, homogeneous mass of people, all of whom think the same and live the same way, with the same beliefs and practices. That might be your dream - along with the dream of numerous less than pleasant dictators - but it isn't mine.

Modifié par Arkley, 18 mai 2012 - 11:27 .


#61
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You add PL, RUS, NL or whatever to find players from your own country. It's essential for players who do not know english (or whatever language game is released in) well enough to keep up in conversations with other "foreign" players.
So when you see someone with similar "country" you can be more or less sure you can communicate with them. So you ask: 'russkie est?' And then... everyone else leaves because you don't pay attention to them and speak your own language with those who can understand you. But do you really care about those foreigners who don't even know russian, eh?

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Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Radio Moscow wrote...

Everyone's nationalist when the chips are down.

Hell, imagine someone touching your kid.

Feel a little bit.. tribal? Want to destroy the outsider?

It's how we're wired as people.


Tribalism is the bane of humanity, I have said it many times and its various manifestations (football teams, nationalism, ethnicity, etc.)  do nowt to contrbute to our progress as a species.


Nonsense. Short sighted and ignorant nonsense. Cultural differences should be celebrated, not eliminated. Without our tribalist nature, some of the most beautiful and spectacular events, traditions and celebrations would be long dead, and the world would be a sadder place for it. The downside to humanity's innate tribalism is not that it exists, but rather that it causes distrust of the unfamiliar. This is a small price to pay, though, because it also causes fascination and curiosity, two of the most significant driving forces behind our progress as a species.


Small price to pay= billions of violent deaths, hatred, cruelty and a host of other small prices. Spot on.;)


For the existance of our species as a whole? Without human curiosity, the drive to explore, discover and understand new things, places and people, we'd still be sitting in trees and picking through our fur for lice. That drive is a direct result of our tribalist nature.

Death, war and strife are truly unfortunate things, but they're a result of a diverse world filled with thousands of unique and marvelous cultures.

A world without these things is a dull, homogeneous mass of people, all of whom think the same and live the same way, with the same beliefs and practices. That might be your dream - along with the dream of numerous less than pleasant dictators - but it isn't mine.


Sticking words in my mouth are we? Claiming I am like a dictator. I am never advocated against diversity, MERELY the division that it creates. I have lived all over the world, speak different languages and yet do not practise tribalism.  Don't put words in my mouth.

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Stardusk wrote...

Ideological adherents are also practising tribalism. All in-group/us/them thinking is. And I included those in the billions that have died for tribalism's sake.


And hence why we shouldn't remove them since it's part of us.


Hell, it can not be eve removed without brainwashing or ethnic cleansing.



So you just have to deal with it or become an evil and powerful bastard and that evil stuff.

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Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Radio Moscow wrote...

Everyone's nationalist when the chips are down.

Hell, imagine someone touching your kid.

Feel a little bit.. tribal? Want to destroy the outsider?

It's how we're wired as people.


Tribalism is the bane of humanity, I have said it many times and its various manifestations (football teams, nationalism, ethnicity, etc.)  do nowt to contrbute to our progress as a species.


Nonsense. Short sighted and ignorant nonsense. Cultural differences should be celebrated, not eliminated. Without our tribalist nature, some of the most beautiful and spectacular events, traditions and celebrations would be long dead, and the world would be a sadder place for it. The downside to humanity's innate tribalism is not that it exists, but rather that it causes distrust of the unfamiliar. This is a small price to pay, though, because it also causes fascination and curiosity, two of the most significant driving forces behind our progress as a species.


Small price to pay= billions of violent deaths, hatred, cruelty and a host of other small prices. Spot on.;)


For the existance of our species as a whole? Without human curiosity, the drive to explore, discover and understand new things, places and people, we'd still be sitting in trees and picking through our fur for lice. That drive is a direct result of our tribalist nature.

Death, war and strife are truly unfortunate things, but they're a result of a diverse world filled with thousands of unique and marvelous cultures.

A world without these things is a dull, homogeneous mass of people, all of whom think the same and live the same way, with the same beliefs and practices. That might be your dream - along with the dream of numerous less than pleasant dictators - but it isn't mine.


And cultures are far less unique than you like to claim since the entirety of the human experiment revolves around DNA propagation, culture is merely a manifestation of different reactions to the reality of that drive (female hpergamy, male dominance hierarchy competition), which is simply to say that culture is always only a constrait on human behavioural universals.

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Stardusk wrote...

Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Radio Moscow wrote...

Everyone's nationalist when the chips are down.

Hell, imagine someone touching your kid.

Feel a little bit.. tribal? Want to destroy the outsider?

It's how we're wired as people.


Tribalism is the bane of humanity, I have said it many times and its various manifestations (football teams, nationalism, ethnicity, etc.)  do nowt to contrbute to our progress as a species.


Nonsense. Short sighted and ignorant nonsense. Cultural differences should be celebrated, not eliminated. Without our tribalist nature, some of the most beautiful and spectacular events, traditions and celebrations would be long dead, and the world would be a sadder place for it. The downside to humanity's innate tribalism is not that it exists, but rather that it causes distrust of the unfamiliar. This is a small price to pay, though, because it also causes fascination and curiosity, two of the most significant driving forces behind our progress as a species.


Small price to pay= billions of violent deaths, hatred, cruelty and a host of other small prices. Spot on.;)


For the existance of our species as a whole? Without human curiosity, the drive to explore, discover and understand new things, places and people, we'd still be sitting in trees and picking through our fur for lice. That drive is a direct result of our tribalist nature.

Death, war and strife are truly unfortunate things, but they're a result of a diverse world filled with thousands of unique and marvelous cultures.

A world without these things is a dull, homogeneous mass of people, all of whom think the same and live the same way, with the same beliefs and practices. That might be your dream - along with the dream of numerous less than pleasant dictators - but it isn't mine.


Sticking words in my mouth are we? Claiming I am like a dictator. I am never advocated against diversity, MERELY the division that it creates. I have lived all over the world, speak different languages and yet do not practise tribalism.  Don't put words in my mouth.


You can say all you like that you support the diversity of culture, but it is tribalistic behaviour that creates and preserves human cultures. You seem to lack a fundamental understanding of cause and effect.

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Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Arkley wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Radio Moscow wrote...

Everyone's nationalist when the chips are down.

Hell, imagine someone touching your kid.

Feel a little bit.. tribal? Want to destroy the outsider?

It's how we're wired as people.


Tribalism is the bane of humanity, I have said it many times and its various manifestations (football teams, nationalism, ethnicity, etc.)  do nowt to contrbute to our progress as a species.


Nonsense. Short sighted and ignorant nonsense. Cultural differences should be celebrated, not eliminated. Without our tribalist nature, some of the most beautiful and spectacular events, traditions and celebrations would be long dead, and the world would be a sadder place for it. The downside to humanity's innate tribalism is not that it exists, but rather that it causes distrust of the unfamiliar. This is a small price to pay, though, because it also causes fascination and curiosity, two of the most significant driving forces behind our progress as a species.


Small price to pay= billions of violent deaths, hatred, cruelty and a host of other small prices. Spot on.;)


For the existance of our species as a whole? Without human curiosity, the drive to explore, discover and understand new things, places and people, we'd still be sitting in trees and picking through our fur for lice. That drive is a direct result of our tribalist nature.

Death, war and strife are truly unfortunate things, but they're a result of a diverse world filled with thousands of unique and marvelous cultures.

A world without these things is a dull, homogeneous mass of people, all of whom think the same and live the same way, with the same beliefs and practices. That might be your dream - along with the dream of numerous less than pleasant dictators - but it isn't mine.


Sticking words in my mouth are we? Claiming I am like a dictator. I am never advocated against diversity, MERELY the division that it creates. I have lived all over the world, speak different languages and yet do not practise tribalism.  Don't put words in my mouth.


You can say all you like that you support the diversity of culture, but it is tribalistic behaviour that creates and preserves human cultures. You seem to lack a fundamental understanding of cause and effect.


No, I do not lack an understanding of cause and effect. You have all the minute differences and still get along, but that requires thought and effort, which not something most are willing to engage in.

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I think it's the for the sake of ease of identifying people you can communicate to and those who play from your area. Some "other games" tend to show you where people joined from, i.e. "Aplin joined the game from GB", for example. By that info you can judge:

- if you have a chance to have a good latency if will be playing together regularly.

- if you have a chance to talk the same language (it's unlikely that you will understand people from _TZ if you are _PL and don't speak any other language)


Also, as far as I know, an average Russian (~80%, I'd say) doesn't comfortably speak English, even though it's the most common foreign language to be taught in schools. (Please correct me if I'm wrong here!) So, adding the suffix is a good way to find those rare players you can actually talk to.

I recall seeing _JP and _HK players. And I don't feel any bad about it, vice versa - it could be a good topic to discuss during a game: say, I was on vacation in your country, or am planning to go and could use an advice, etc. Use it!

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Hey, lets start controlling people!

Me, a perfectly rational actor should dictate to people what they believe and how they behave.

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This topic is way too deep for me to bother, I deal with enough of this in my real life :wizard:

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 mai 2012 - 11:52 .


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Radio Moscow wrote...

Hey, lets start controlling people!

Me, a perfectly rational actor should dictate to people what they believe and how they behave.


Yes I vote for Gary Busey.

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vivanto wrote...

This, how would you tell them apart from all the other Polish and Russian players that do NOT suffix their name?



Simple. They using voice activated mics, so you can hear the traffic and the dogs/infants, also bad russian pop music.

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Patriotism?.

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It enhances the coolness of their nick by 87%.

Modifié par Kronner, 18 mai 2012 - 12:10 .


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M A F I A wrote...

polish and russian players instead appear to do that most of the times,



Because Russia is still occupying polish and german territories.  Or what do think Köningsberg-Kalingrad is? All Baltic countries consider Russian as threat(and have border broblems unsolved).

thats a 1000 years history - nothing has change in Russia.

Short ansewer is nationalism.

if anyone can get satisfaction but russians themselfs are most efficient to kill another russians.

Modifié par Karih, 18 mai 2012 - 12:17 .


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Aplin wrote...

I think it's the for the sake of ease of identifying people you can communicate to and those who play from your area. Some "other games" tend to show you where people joined from, i.e. "Aplin joined the game from GB", for example. By that info you can judge:

- if you have a chance to have a good latency if will be playing together regularly.

- if you have a chance to talk the same language (it's unlikely that you will understand people from _TZ if you are _PL and don't speak any other language)


Also, as far as I know, an average Russian (~80%, I'd say) doesn't comfortably speak English, even though it's the most common foreign language to be taught in schools. (Please correct me if I'm wrong here!) So, adding the suffix is a good way to find those rare players you can actually talk to.

I recall seeing _JP and _HK players. And I don't feel any bad about it, vice versa - it could be a good topic to discuss during a game: say, I was on vacation in your country, or am planning to go and could use an advice, etc. Use it!


I'd say that most of us, russians, who play multiplayer games, do know english, at least on a rudimentary level. However, i'd prefer them not to.

Sometimes i hook up to games of my fellow compatriots and begin speaking some english nonsense, like "How do you do" or "Is this a multinational server?" I used to get tons of "Go 2 hill fut american". When i tried to play with cz/pl(don't really differentiate between them) i was rewarded with "Kurwa, Kurwa".

But honestly, these are all things of the past. Everyone is much more tolerable these days. And _Rus/_PL/_CZ are just remnants.

^Karih. One honest question. Why do you make sweeping generalizations? Not everyone brandishing such a nick is a nationalist. And being feared/hated kind of comes with being a former empire/having a (supposedly) strong military.

Modifié par Nereithr, 18 mai 2012 - 12:21 .