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[Alex_Dur4and]

Hello everyone!

I just wanted to share my point of view on something that jumped to my face when I thought about "synthesis"... Mixing the organic and synthetics together...

I've seen this synthesis before... The first time on Eden prime... They were called husks. Later, I've witnessed this concept in all of it's splendor when I saw the awful mixing of hundreds of thousands of organic human pulp being pumped through massive tubes to create the "final evolution of life", a human reaper. And if that wasn't enough, I've also encountered Turians, Batharians, krogans, Rachny, Asari and even the legendary Proteans which had underwent such a transformation...

And I don't like it one bit!!!

So, if you ask me... WORST POSSIBLE SENARIO!!!  

Modifié par Alex_Dur4and, 18 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[Malditor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, and 
racism and prejudice are the same thing.

Prejudice - preconvieved opinion not based on reason or experience.

Racism - Discrimination based on ethnicity.

They go hand in hand, but are not the same thing.

racism 
http://dictionary.re...m/browse/racism 

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races  determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race  is superior and has the right to rule others.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
hatred or intolerance of another race  or other races.



 prejudice 
http://dictionary.re...e/prejudice?s=t 
an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.
damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.

Yes one is a broader term than the other, and like I said racism is based on race, which is elicitely stated in the definition you provided. You can't say someone is racist if they dislike another based on socio-economic status, such as only their income, but you can say they are prejudice. Therefore they are not the same.

But they both have the same concept. They both have the same ideal. That makes them the same.

If they are not 100% interchange-able in context then they are not the same. They are similar.

Modifié par Malditor, 18 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[DirtySHISN0]

you agree that there is a difference but they arent different?

+ read backwards a bit.  I do understand they are essentially the same concept but have different applicables to be able to be used as a descriptive.  They arent interchangeable because their meaning is based on the specifics of their use.

What i think you mean is they are both a form of discrimination.



Lazy, dont have to type it again this way.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 18 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[ThinkIntegral]

^That totally explains dreman999 to me now. Thanks for that guys.

[dreman9999]

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, and 
racism and prejudice are the same thing.

Prejudice - preconvieved opinion not based on reason or experience.

Racism - Discrimination based on ethnicity.

They go hand in hand, but are not the same thing.

racism 
http://dictionary.re...m/browse/racism 

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races  determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race  is superior and has the right to rule others.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
hatred or intolerance of another race  or other races.



 prejudice 
http://dictionary.re...e/prejudice?s=t 
an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.
damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.

Yes one is a broader term than the other, and like I said racism is based on race, which is elicitely stated in the definition you provided. You can't say someone is racist if they dislike another based on socio-economic status, such as only their income, but you can say they are prejudice. Therefore they are not the same.

But they both have the same concept. They both have the same ideal. That makes them the same.

If they are not 100% interchange-able in context then they are not the same. They are similar.

If they are 100% interchangeable is concept...They are.

[Bad King]

No. Destroy buries earth in reaper corpses. Way too big a risk, I'd rather take the risk of controlling them/upgrading everyone over turning earth into reaper hell. The possibility of reuniting with the crew after picking the destroy ending does nothing to change my opinion.

Modifié par Bad King, 18 mai 2012 - 11:21 .

[Malditor]

dreman9999 wrote...

If they are 100% interchangeable is concept...They are.

Wow, just wow. Your inability to realize you are wrong, when even your own post proves it is amazing.

[DirtySHISN0]

dreman9999 wrote...

If they are 100% interchangeable in concept...They are.

Sigh.

Concept - discrimination

terms describing different forms of discrimination ; racism ,prejudice.

They are different words because they aren't interchangable.

[estebanus]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Required reading for those who like the Synthesis ending.

Ok, I laughed my ass off!

[Grivous456]

On my only playthrough, I picked Synthesis because I felt that if I picked destroy, my choice of making peace with the geth and quarions was pointless. I also did not know that this was the only ending where you could survive. I was under the impression that if destroy killed all synthetics, that it wouldnt be possible to survive since God Child said that I was part synthetic and would die. I also felt that if I picked controll, the whole point of you saying that the reapers can not be controlled be pointless. Though synthesis also felt bad, I thought that it sounded to be the ONLY "happy" ending and was sorely mistaken. If the EC shows that destroy keept the geth/eddi alive with a reunification with LI then I'd be happier.

[The Night Mammoth]

feliciano2040 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Everyone was willing to die, even the Geth. More specifically, eveyone was willing to die rather than submit to the Reaper's plans. If the Geth must die, so be it, they were prepared for it. I take at least some solace in that.

They weren't willing to let their entire population be exterminated, the Geth prepared for NONE of this.

They were. It was either fight the Reapers or die in the attempt. The Geth were prepared to sacrifice themselves. Not if they could avoid it, and I certainly don't think they'd be happy about it, but they were prepared for that eventuality.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

I still don't think the choice of mass murder, or the implication that it could be a valid solution to any problem, for the betterment of everyone else, is something BioWare should be proud of.

*facepalm*

A statement on fiction doesn't mean it's supported by the author.

True, and I never said they actually supported mass murder, but they still stated that in their fiction, so the implications remain. 

The point of all the choices at the end of the game, including Destroy, is that nothing is free, nothing comes without a price.

That price is mass murder. A despicable thing to even contemplate, let alone add in for the sole reason of making other choices seem more appealing. 

[Ageless Face]

Not really. Though I hope we will see the squad anyway, even without a reunion. It's possible... right?

[Erield]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

The point of all the choices at the end of the game, including Destroy, is that nothing is free, nothing comes without a price.

That price is mass murder. A despicable thing to even contemplate, let alone add in for the sole reason of making other choices seem more appealing. 

One of the fundamental weaknesses of all the choices presented in the ending is that they are all despicable.  Destroy also killing the Geth truly seemed to me to be something that was added only as a way to artificially influence our reactions away from immediately choosing it. 

We are left with the options of Mass Genocide, Mass Enslavement, or Galactic Violation as literally the only possibilities to end the game.  It's really hard for me to really get behind any of them as they stand right now.

Edit: It would not be fair to say that Bioware condones genocide as a solution to people's problems, since it's a work of fiction.  However, there is nothing wrong with having a discussion about that option and all of the moral problems that it poses.  If your Shepard picks Destroy, where does s/he draw the line?  How would close friends react if they knew?  If squadmates were there with you to question your choice, would it alter your decision? etc. etc.

Modifié par Erield, 19 mai 2012 - 01:56 .

[vixvicco]

Makrys wrote...

I don't understand the logic behind picking control or synthesis. Both are what TIM and Saren wanted... and um... both admitted they were wrong. Destroy is what you've been setting out to do from the get go. So, destroy all the way no matter what. Shepard did not die, so I would assume the geth did not either, also EDI did not die. So, the StarBrat was lying. It seems clear that the destroy option ONLY destroys the Reapers. And this is without considering the IT.

This ^^
I agree, I mean, why believe what the Catalyst is saying? People are fine to choose what they want, but I dont get the logic behind choosing any other option.