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[Apocaleepse360]

SetecAstronomy wrote...
Good thing the Quarians have those ships that have allowed them to grow their own food for the last three centuries..

See the above post. It's unlikely that the Quarians decided to bring their liveships into the fight. And even if they brought a few with them, there is no way that both the Quarians and Turians would be able to share such a low amount of food.

Like I've said before, the Destroy ending is based far too much on theory and on having faith that everything will work out when it might not. You can't just destroy the Reapers and hope for the best. I wish you could, because I personally would destroy them without a second thought were it not for the vast amount of consequences, but Bioware have decided that this is not the case.

Modifié par Apocaleepse360, 18 mai 2012 - 04:15 .

[estebanus]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

The quarians had their liveships with them, remember? They grow food on their liveships, which means that they could very well supply both themselves and the Turians with food.

The Quarians only brought their military ships with them. It'd be quite stupid to bring their liveships into a fight against the Reapers. Then again, the ME3 ending in general was quite stupid in it's own right, so they could have brought their liveships into the fight lol.

You gotta be kidding me.

Didn't you see the damn liveships when the fleets went through the Charon relay? They were right there! They jury-rigged each of their liveships with thanix cannons. Also, all the quarian civilians are on Rannoch, meaning that they can share their food with the turians.

Modifié par estebanus, 18 mai 2012 - 04:15 .

[Kite Exeter]

No, I'd still pick Synthesis if it costs me the Geth and EDI. Frankly, synthesis is the kind of option my particular Shepard would have gone with anyway.

[Apocaleepse360]

estebanus wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

The quarians had their liveships with them, remember? They grow food on their liveships, which means that they could very well supply both themselves and the Turians with food.

The Quarians only brought their military ships with them. It'd be quite stupid to bring their liveships into a fight against the Reapers. Then again, the ME3 ending in general was quite stupid in it's own right, so they could have brought their liveships into the fight lol.

You gotta be kidding me.

Didn't you see the damn liveships when the fleets went through the Charon relay? They were right there! They jury-rigged each of their liveships with thanix cannons. Also, all the quarian civilians are on Rannoch, meaning that they can share their food with the turians.

Then perhaps you also saw how big the Turian fleet was? There is no way the Quarian liveships would be able to sustain them. Moving on to the next consequence: The Geth were doing something to the Quarians' suits so their immune systems would be repaired in a couple of years' time. With no Geth, the Quarians STILL have weakened immune systems, not to mention it made the whole uniting the two completely and utterly pointless to begin with.

[PsyrenY]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

The Quarians only brought their military ships with them. It'd be quite stupid to bring their liveships into a fight against the Reapers.

You're wrong.

1) We clearly see liveships warping in during the "all fleets" cutscene. They are the ones with the long needle-like bridge and round base - you can confirm this by finding the "Quarian Liveship" model for Shepard's cabin.
2) Raan tells you that the Quarians outfitted all their liveships with heavy cannons, giving them firepower comparable to a dreadnought.

[PsyrenY]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

Then perhaps you also saw how big the Turian fleet was? There is no way the Quarian liveships would be able to sustain them.

Even assuming you're right - then some Turians/Quarians would die. The rest would live. Brutal calculus, etc.

Apocaleepse360 wrote...
Moving on to the next consequence: The Geth were doing something to the Quarians' suits so their immune systems would be repaired in a couple of years' time. With no Geth, the Quarians STILL have weakened immune systems, not to mention it made the whole uniting the two completely and utterly pointless to begin with.

If you have no Geth, Tali tells you they would resort to the much slower process of gene therapy (which was their original plan for reacclimatizing to Rannoch anyway - see ME2.) But until then, they still have suits.

[Ieldra]

The Mad Hanar wrote...
If the EC let Shepard reunite with his/her LI and the crew, would you consider picking Destroy? I think that alone would be worth it.

Cyrus Shepard will not sacrifice his integrity for his own survival, if the fate of galaxy depends on his decision. He will choose Synthesis. It hurts beyond measure to leave Miranda behind and to break his promise to her, but he would not be the man Miranda loves if he did this.

Rhea Shepard has always put the needs of the galaxy before her own. She will not reconsider and choose Control.

One or two others of my Shepards might choose Destroy, but they would have done so nonetheless.

So...no. A renunion scene will not influence the choice I make, unless the global consequences are different. The fate of the galaxy is more important than Shepard's fate.

[YNation913]

After the Liara's time capsule scene and Thane's death scene? No. Shepard is finished. That's the way to go out regardless of the choice at the end.

[estebanus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
If the EC let Shepard reunite with his/her LI and the crew, would you consider picking Destroy? I think that alone would be worth it.

Cyrus Shepard will not sacrifice his integrity for his own survival, if the fate of galaxy depends on his decision. He will choose Synthesis. It hurts beyond measure to leave Miranda behind and to break his promise to her, but he would not be the man Miranda loves if he did this.

Rhea Shepard has always put the needs of the galaxy before her own. She will not reconsider and choose Control.

One or two others of my Shepards might choose Destroy, but they would have done so nonetheless.

So...no. A renunion scene will not influence the choice I make, unless the global consequences are different. The fate of the galaxy is more important than Shepard's fate.

Cyrus Shepard has apparently already sacrificed his integrity by choosing synthesis. He has changed the individual DNA of every organic and synthetic being in the galaxy against their own will, without their consent. He has agreed that the reapers always were in the right, that Saren was in the right, that the apex of evolution is the forging between man and machine, and that making an abomination upon nature is more preferable than letting the galaxy make their own future. He has chosen to destroy evolution itself by bringing everything to its apex, meaning that nothing new will be learned, that nothing will be changed, and that nature and evolution is dead.

Rhea Shepard has obviously not set the needs of the galaxy before her own, as she has chosen to follow the path of an enemy that she multiple times has explained to, that controlling the reapers is impossible. She would rather gain her own personal army, than demolishing it. She will never avenge the deaths of the trillions of lives that have been destroyed by the reapers. Instead, she will utilize them for her own personal gain. Again, she will not let the galaxy forge its own future, she will decide how the future will look like.

See what I did there?

[Bill Casey]

Makrys wrote...

I don't understand the logic behind picking control or synthesis. Both are what TIM and Saren wanted... and um... both admitted they were wrong.

It's not that it's what they wanted...
It's that it's what the Reapers brainwashed them into believing...

[Unit-Alpha]

Makrys wrote...

I don't understand the logic behind picking control or synthesis. Both are what TIM and Saren wanted... and um... both admitted they were wrong. Destroy is what you've been setting out to do from the get go. So, destroy all the way no matter what. Shepard did not die, so I would assume the geth did not either, also EDI did not die. So, the StarBrat was lying. It seems clear that the destroy option ONLY destroys the Reapers. And this is without considering the IT.

I agree.

[sanadawarrior]

estebanus wrote...


Cyrus Shepard has apparently already sacrificed his integrity by choosing synthesis. He has changed the individual DNA of every organic and synthetic being in the galaxy against their own will, without their consent.

I never got this argument against synthesis, in destroy no one asks the geth if they want to be sacrificed to save organics either. All three decisions have consequences for a race or races that will be thrust upon them without their consent.

[sanadawarrior]

Makrys wrote...

I don't understand the logic behind picking control or synthesis. Both are what TIM and Saren wanted... and um... both admitted they were wrong.

I was under the impression that what happened to Saren was that you can make him realise that the reapers are just using him and would not give him what he wanted not that his ideas were wrong.

[InHarmsWay]

Optimystic_X wrote...

DubVee12 wrote...

Not if destroy still kills the Geth and Edi

Both the geth and EDI said very speciically that they would rather die than allow the reapers to continue to exist.

[The Night Mammoth]

sanadawarrior wrote...

estebanus wrote...


Cyrus Shepard has apparently already sacrificed his integrity by choosing synthesis. He has changed the individual DNA of every organic and synthetic being in the galaxy against their own will, without their consent.

I never got this argument against synthesis, in destroy no one asks the geth if they want to be sacrificed to save organics either. All three decisions have consequences for a race or races that will be thrust upon them without their consent.

Everyone was willing to die, even the Geth. More specifically, eveyone was willing to die rather than submit to the Reaper's plans. If the Geth must die, so be it, they were prepared for it. I take at least some solace in that.

I still don't think the choice of mass murder, or the implication that it could be a valid solution to any problem, for the betterment of everyone else, is something BioWare should be proud of. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 18 mai 2012 - 06:30 .

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
If the EC let Shepard reunite with his/her LI and the crew, would you consider picking Destroy? I think that alone would be worth it.

Cyrus Shepard will not sacrifice his integrity for his own survival, if the fate of galaxy depends on his decision. He will choose Synthesis. It hurts beyond measure to leave Miranda behind and to break his promise to her, but he would not be the man Miranda loves if he did this.

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Modifié par feliciano2040, 18 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[estebanus]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

estebanus wrote...


Cyrus Shepard has apparently already sacrificed his integrity by choosing synthesis. He has changed the individual DNA of every organic and synthetic being in the galaxy against their own will, without their consent.

I never got this argument against synthesis, in destroy no one asks the geth if they want to be sacrificed to save organics either. All three decisions have consequences for a race or races that will be thrust upon them without their consent.

Everyone was willing to die, even the Geth. More specifically, eveyone was willing to die rather than submit to the Reaper's plans. If the Geth must die, so be it, they were prepared for it. I take at least some solace in that.

I still don't think the choice of mass murder, or the implication that it could be a valid solution to any problem, for the betterment of everyone else, is something BioWare should be proud of. 

Neither is destroying evolution and nature or embracing your worst enemy's philosophy.

[PsyrenY]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Both the geth and EDI said very speciically that they would rather die than allow the reapers to continue to exist.

No, they said they would rather die than let the Reapers win. Not at all the same thing.

[The Night Mammoth]

estebanus wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

estebanus wrote...


Cyrus Shepard has apparently already sacrificed his integrity by choosing synthesis. He has changed the individual DNA of every organic and synthetic being in the galaxy against their own will, without their consent.

I never got this argument against synthesis, in destroy no one asks the geth if they want to be sacrificed to save organics either. All three decisions have consequences for a race or races that will be thrust upon them without their consent.

Everyone was willing to die, even the Geth. More specifically, eveyone was willing to die rather than submit to the Reaper's plans. If the Geth must die, so be it, they were prepared for it. I take at least some solace in that.

I still don't think the choice of mass murder, or the implication that it could be a valid solution to any problem, for the betterment of everyone else, is something BioWare should be proud of. 

Neither is destroying evolution and nature or embracing your worst enemy's philosophy.

For the fomer I'd agree, I don't like Synthesis. 

However, the latter is far more ambiguous. There's the potential for good in it. 

[estebanus]

sanadawarrior wrote...

estebanus wrote...


Cyrus Shepard has apparently already sacrificed his integrity by choosing synthesis. He has changed the individual DNA of every organic and synthetic being in the galaxy against their own will, without their consent.

I never got this argument against synthesis, in destroy no one asks the geth if they want to be sacrificed to save organics either. All three decisions have consequences for a race or races that will be thrust upon them without their consent.

Errrmmm... I'm not only talking about the geth, but every being in the galaxy. Every organic and synthetic being in the galaxy will be forever changed in synthesis, without their opinion, without their consent. They will be forceflly merged into one being, just like the reapers are.

Synthesis is the reapers' ultimate goal, which is why I dislike it.

[Shepard Wins]

EDI and Geth will live in Destroy. Catalyst is full of crap.

[estebanus]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

estebanus wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

sanadawarrior wrote...

estebanus wrote...


Cyrus Shepard has apparently already sacrificed his integrity by choosing synthesis. He has changed the individual DNA of every organic and synthetic being in the galaxy against their own will, without their consent.

I never got this argument against synthesis, in destroy no one asks the geth if they want to be sacrificed to save organics either. All three decisions have consequences for a race or races that will be thrust upon them without their consent.

Everyone was willing to die, even the Geth. More specifically, eveyone was willing to die rather than submit to the Reaper's plans. If the Geth must die, so be it, they were prepared for it. I take at least some solace in that.

I still don't think the choice of mass murder, or the implication that it could be a valid solution to any problem, for the betterment of everyone else, is something BioWare should be proud of. 

Neither is destroying evolution and nature or embracing your worst enemy's philosophy.

For the fomer I'd agree, I don't like Synthesis. 

However, the latter is far more ambiguous. There's the potential for good in it. 

I agree that control is more ambiguous, but based on the evidence we have about the people who were for it, I'm not really optimistic about control being good.

[estebanus]

Shepard Wins wrote...

EDI and Geth will live in Destroy. Catalyst is full of crap.

The weirdest thing about that is that you're actually partly right. When I chose destroy in my 1st playthrough (I had over 7000 EMS), EDI actually walked out of the Normandy alongside Joker and Liara (My LI).

That is why I actually started distrusting the catalyst.

[xsdob]

I plan to have 3 play through with all 3 endings and a little variation in them, so it doesn't affect me at all.

Paragon, paragade, and renegon all the way for me.