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[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Humans are still humans, turians are still turians, salarians are still salarians, quarians are still quarians, geth are still geth, EDI is still herself.

How is that against diversity ?

You cannot change DNA in said capacity without causing changes to the organism.

Spiderman is an impossibility. You cannot take that amount of mutation and remain the same.

It simply works that way.

This is science.

But they did make changes to the organnism. That''s the point of syntheis.

[Malditor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Racism is based on difference of appearance, not dna level.

You need to learn what racism means.

Enlighten me then, because throughout history racism is based on people being different, and that difference is their appearance.

Also, synthesis doesn't give everyone the same dna, it adds to their dna.

Take a look of what is going on in africanow.Mass genocide ofpeople because they belong to a different tribe and they all look the same?
The same thing can be said about Japan and Korea.

That's not racism in africa, thats people of the same race fighting each others.... Japan fighting with Korea? That's two countries fighting each other. It's a difference of nationalities not race.

[dreman9999]

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Their dna are all the same.

If the DNA was all the same, we would all look the same.
Since the different species still look different from each other, we can conclude Synthesis did not modify the already existing DNA, it just added synthetic characteristics to it.

No, not really. Physical simularity has nothing to do with unifomity of dna.The consept of a race show that. They only time when looks are the same is via cloning or close simularity of dna.

[Bill Casey]

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokenAesop

[MisterJB]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You missing the fact that both organics and syntheticare techo organic in fused.

So? Shepard has implants to keep himself alive. If we used the same implants on someone else, would they suddenly be the same person?
All life on Earth spawned from a singular ancestor thus why it is all based on DNA but there is great diversity.

2. It doesn't solve the problem of more sysnthetic being made that can up rise.

Even if they do, organics will have been upgraded to the point where there is no risk of a purely synthetic race ever destroying us all.

3. You giving theStar child access to the cruscible to us it as he sees fit after you make your choice.

No, we are not. The Citadel is simply the Catalyst. It brings about the reaction but it can't control it.
And again, the Citadel is destroyed. The Crucible is useless without it.

Modifié par MisterJB, 18 mai 2012 - 09:56 .

[Lookout1390]

Nope, Legion is dead so I will happily continue to kill synthetics in the end if it means I have a chance to save everyone else.

[dreman9999]

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Racism is based on difference of appearance, not dna level.

You need to learn what racism means.

Enlighten me then, because throughout history racism is based on people being different, and that difference is their appearance.

Also, synthesis doesn't give everyone the same dna, it adds to their dna.

Take a look of what is going on in africanow.Mass genocide ofpeople because they belong to a different tribe and they all look the same?
The same thing can be said about Japan and Korea.

That's not racism in africa, thats people of the same race fighting each others.... Japan fighting with Korea? That's two countries fighting each other. It's a difference of nationalities not race.

You have no idea waht going on in africa do you. Their have been genocides there.  Get your facts straight.

[Apathy1989]

 Considering its pretty non-sensical how Shepard could survive Destroy... I hope all endings have some sort of reconcilation.

Destroy - You survive.
Control - You survive as the new Catalyst, and speak to your friends as a being a light.
Synthesis - You survive as a synthetic hybrid, same as everyone else.


If bioware want this to be some big moral choice, they need to remove shepards survival from the equation. Too many people would pick destroy for that.

All that said I think destroy is the only option (to my mind), and that the moral choice is null since the other two are terrible.

[Bill Casey]

Apathy1989 wrote...

 Considering its pretty non-sensical how Shepard could survive Destroy... I hope all endings have some sort of reconcilation.

Destroy - You survive.
Control - You survive as the new Catalyst, and speak to your friends as a being a light.
Synthesis - You survive as a synthetic hybrid, same as everyone else.


If bioware want this to be some big moral choice, they need to remove shepards survival from the equation. Too many people would pick destroy for that.

All that said I think destroy is the only option (to my mind), and that the moral choice is null since the other two are terrible.

That makes the endings even worse...

[Malditor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Racism is based on difference of appearance, not dna level.

You need to learn what racism means.

Enlighten me then, because throughout history racism is based on people being different, and that difference is their appearance.

Also, synthesis doesn't give everyone the same dna, it adds to their dna.

Take a look of what is going on in africanow.Mass genocide ofpeople because they belong to a different tribe and they all look the same?
The same thing can be said about Japan and Korea.

That's not racism in africa, thats people of the same race fighting each others.... Japan fighting with Korea? That's two countries fighting each other. It's a difference of nationalities not race.

You have no idea waht going on in africa do you. Their have been genocides there.  Get your facts straight.

I'm not disputing the fact of genocide, I'm telling you 1 tribe killing another is not racism.

[Taboo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Humans are still humans, turians are still turians, salarians are still salarians, quarians are still quarians, geth are still geth, EDI is still herself.

How is that against diversity ?

You cannot change DNA in said capacity without causing changes to the organism.

Spiderman is an impossibility. You cannot take that amount of mutation and remain the same.

It simply works that way.

This is science.

But they did make changes to the organnism. That''s the point of syntheis.

Hence why it doesn't make sense.

You can't rewrite DNA without changing the being.

[dreman9999]

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You missing the fact that both organics and syntheticare techo organic in fused.

So? Shepard has implants to keep himself alive. If we used the same implants on someone else, would they suddenly be the same person?
All life on Earth spawned from a singular ancestor thus why it all based on DNA but there is great diversity

2. It doesn't solve the problem of more sysnthetic being made that can up rise.

Even if they do, organics will have been upgraded to the point where there is no risk of a purely synthetic race ever destroying us all.

3. You giving theStar child access to the cruscible to us it as he sees fit after you make your choice.

No, we are not. The Citadel is simply the Catalyst. It brings about the reaction but it can't control it.
And again, the Citadel is destroyed. The Crucible is useless without it.

1. But everyone need those implats. Everyone else can live a happy life with out them.
2. Not true at all. It would increase the danger. If they face a synthetic race they would have to fight, it would get to apoint were it waslike the USSR vs USA. A mass of super weapon pointed at each other...That opens up a  pyrric victory happening.
3.I'm sorry. But your missing the fact that is has to be fired...Who does this if you died? The starchild. You just gave him control.

[MisterJB]

dreman9999 wrote...
No, not really. Physical simularity has nothing to do with unifomity of dna.The consept of a race show that. They only time when looks are the same is via cloning or close simularity of dna.

And the fact that aliens still look very distinct from humans proves the concept of different races still apply.
We all have synthetic upgrades now but we are just upgraded versions of our species.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Humans are still humans, turians are still turians, salarians are still salarians, quarians are still quarians, geth are still geth, EDI is still herself.

How is that against diversity ?

You cannot change DNA in said capacity without causing changes to the organism.

Spiderman is an impossibility. You cannot take that amount of mutation and remain the same.

It simply works that way.

This is science.

But they did make changes to the organnism. That''s the point of syntheis.

Hence why it doesn't make sense.

You can't rewrite DNA without changing the being.

Whichis why i DON'T TRUST THE STAR CHILD.

[Malditor]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Humans are still humans, turians are still turians, salarians are still salarians, quarians are still quarians, geth are still geth, EDI is still herself.

How is that against diversity ?

You cannot change DNA in said capacity without causing changes to the organism.

Spiderman is an impossibility. You cannot take that amount of mutation and remain the same.

It simply works that way.

This is science.

But they did make changes to the organnism. That''s the point of syntheis.

Hence why it doesn't make sense.

You can't rewrite DNA without changing the being.

You can't bring someone back to life that has fallen from space and has been dead for as long as Shepard was for that matter.

[dreman9999]

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No, not really. Physical simularity has nothing to do with unifomity of dna.The consept of a race show that. They only time when looks are the same is via cloning or close simularity of dna.

And the fact that aliens still look very distinct from humans proves the concept of different races still apply.
We all have synthetic upgrades now but we are just upgraded versions of our species.

Every human has the basic of human dna, but we don't look the same...Jus simular...It's the same concept.

[dreman9999]

Malditor wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Humans are still humans, turians are still turians, salarians are still salarians, quarians are still quarians, geth are still geth, EDI is still herself.

How is that against diversity ?

You cannot change DNA in said capacity without causing changes to the organism.

Spiderman is an impossibility. You cannot take that amount of mutation and remain the same.

It simply works that way.

This is science.

But they did make changes to the organnism. That''s the point of syntheis.

Hence why it doesn't make sense.

You can't rewrite DNA without changing the being.

You can't bring someone back to life that has fallen from space and has been dead for as long as Shepard was for that matter.

Well it their brain is intact in a cold environment...

[Malditor]

dreman9999 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You missing the fact that both organics and syntheticare techo organic in fused.

So? Shepard has implants to keep himself alive. If we used the same implants on someone else, would they suddenly be the same person?
All life on Earth spawned from a singular ancestor thus why it all based on DNA but there is great diversity

2. It doesn't solve the problem of more sysnthetic being made that can up rise.

Even if they do, organics will have been upgraded to the point where there is no risk of a purely synthetic race ever destroying us all.

3. You giving theStar child access to the cruscible to us it as he sees fit after you make your choice.

No, we are not. The Citadel is simply the Catalyst. It brings about the reaction but it can't control it.
And again, the Citadel is destroyed. The Crucible is useless without it.

1. But everyone need those implats. Everyone else can live a happy life with out them.
2. Not true at all. It would increase the danger. If they face a synthetic race they would have to fight, it would get to apoint were it waslike the USSR vs USA. A mass of super weapon pointed at each other...That opens up a  pyrric victory happening.
3.I'm sorry. But your missing the fact that is has to be fired...Who does this if you died? The starchild. You just gave him control.

The "star child" can't control the crucible, otherwise why didn't it as soon as it was joined to the Citadel?

[Taboo]

Malditor wrote...
You can't bring someone back to life that has fallen from space and has been dead for as long as Shepard was for that matter.

We are told that Shepard is restored via Stem Cells and cell regeneration.

Stem Cells have basis in reality now.

I would sooner believe that you can repair dead tissue than rewrite the way it is.

[dreman9999]

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Racism is based on difference of appearance, not dna level.

You need to learn what racism means.

Enlighten me then, because throughout history racism is based on people being different, and that difference is their appearance.

Also, synthesis doesn't give everyone the same dna, it adds to their dna.

Take a look of what is going on in africanow.Mass genocide ofpeople because they belong to a different tribe and they all look the same?
The same thing can be said about Japan and Korea.

That's not racism in africa, thats people of the same race fighting each others.... Japan fighting with Korea? That's two countries fighting each other. It's a difference of nationalities not race.

You have no idea waht going on in africa do you. Their have been genocides there.  Get your facts straight.

I'm not disputing the fact of genocide, I'm telling you 1 tribe killing another is not racism.

Can't that be said about the Holocaust.

[dreman9999]

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You missing the fact that both organics and syntheticare techo organic in fused.

So? Shepard has implants to keep himself alive. If we used the same implants on someone else, would they suddenly be the same person?
All life on Earth spawned from a singular ancestor thus why it all based on DNA but there is great diversity

2. It doesn't solve the problem of more sysnthetic being made that can up rise.

Even if they do, organics will have been upgraded to the point where there is no risk of a purely synthetic race ever destroying us all.

3. You giving theStar child access to the cruscible to us it as he sees fit after you make your choice.

No, we are not. The Citadel is simply the Catalyst. It brings about the reaction but it can't control it.
And again, the Citadel is destroyed. The Crucible is useless without it.

1. But everyone need those implats. Everyone else can live a happy life with out them.
2. Not true at all. It would increase the danger. If they face a synthetic race they would have to fight, it would get to apoint were it waslike the USSR vs USA. A mass of super weapon pointed at each other...That opens up a  pyrric victory happening.
3.I'm sorry. But your missing the fact that is has to be fired...Who does this if you died? The starchild. You just gave him control.

The "star child" can't control the crucible, otherwise why didn't it as soon as it was joined to the Citadel?

The star child can't control the crucible before you make your choice...After you make your choice, he can.

[Malditor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Humans are still humans, turians are still turians, salarians are still salarians, quarians are still quarians, geth are still geth, EDI is still herself.

How is that against diversity ?

You cannot change DNA in said capacity without causing changes to the organism.

Spiderman is an impossibility. You cannot take that amount of mutation and remain the same.

It simply works that way.

This is science.

But they did make changes to the organnism. That''s the point of syntheis.

Hence why it doesn't make sense.

You can't rewrite DNA without changing the being.

You can't bring someone back to life that has fallen from space and has been dead for as long as Shepard was for that matter.

Well it their brain is intact in a cold environment...

The brain would have been damaged horrendously upon striking the ground. Synapses start dieing within minutes of death anyway, so by the time they retrieved the body the brain wouldn't have been viable. But we accept it can be done because it's a game...

[Taboo]

STEM CELLS.

LISTEN TO THE AUDIO IN GAME.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 18 mai 2012 - 10:08 .

[Malditor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Racism is based on difference of appearance, not dna level.

You need to learn what racism means.

Enlighten me then, because throughout history racism is based on people being different, and that difference is their appearance.

Also, synthesis doesn't give everyone the same dna, it adds to their dna.

Take a look of what is going on in africanow.Mass genocide ofpeople because they belong to a different tribe and they all look the same?
The same thing can be said about Japan and Korea.

That's not racism in africa, thats people of the same race fighting each others.... Japan fighting with Korea? That's two countries fighting each other. It's a difference of nationalities not race.

You have no idea waht going on in africa do you. Their have been genocides there.  Get your facts straight.

I'm not disputing the fact of genocide, I'm telling you 1 tribe killing another is not racism.

Can't that be said about the Holocaust.

... The killing of jews was based on religion.... However, Hitler was a racist as well.

[dreman9999]

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

Humans are still humans, turians are still turians, salarians are still salarians, quarians are still quarians, geth are still geth, EDI is still herself.

How is that against diversity ?

You cannot change DNA in said capacity without causing changes to the organism.

Spiderman is an impossibility. You cannot take that amount of mutation and remain the same.

It simply works that way.

This is science.

But they did make changes to the organnism. That''s the point of syntheis.

Hence why it doesn't make sense.

You can't rewrite DNA without changing the being.

You can't bring someone back to life that has fallen from space and has been dead for as long as Shepard was for that matter.

Well it their brain is intact in a cold environment...

The brain would have been damaged horrendously upon striking the ground. Synapses start dieing within minutes of death anyway, so by the time they retrieved the body the brain wouldn't have been viable. But we accept it can be done because it's a game...

That why they have helmets...