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[Malditor]

Taboo-XX wrote...

STEM CELLS.

LISTEN TO THE AUDIO IN GAME.

Still wouldn't work after that long, but hey, like I said, we accept it because it's a game.

[dreman9999]

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Racism is based on difference of appearance, not dna level.

You need to learn what racism means.

Enlighten me then, because throughout history racism is based on people being different, and that difference is their appearance.

Also, synthesis doesn't give everyone the same dna, it adds to their dna.

Take a look of what is going on in africanow.Mass genocide ofpeople because they belong to a different tribe and they all look the same?
The same thing can be said about Japan and Korea.

That's not racism in africa, thats people of the same race fighting each others.... Japan fighting with Korea? That's two countries fighting each other. It's a difference of nationalities not race.

You have no idea waht going on in africa do you. Their have been genocides there.  Get your facts straight.

I'm not disputing the fact of genocide, I'm telling you 1 tribe killing another is not racism.

Can't that be said about the Holocaust.

... The killing of jews was based on religion.... However, Hitler was a racist as well.

The holocaust was not aimed just at Jews I hope you know.

[MisterJB]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. But everyone need those implats. Everyone else can live a happy life with out them.

Unless the Catalyst is right and without either the Reapers or Synthesis, synthetics will, regardless of intention, destroy organics.

2. Not true at all. It would increase the danger. If they face a synthetic race they would have to fight, it would get to apoint were it waslike the USSR vs USA. A mass of super weapon pointed at each other...That opens up a  pyrric victory happening.

That danger is always present. The reason the Council stopped the FCW was because they feared a human-turian war would devastate the galaxy.
Without Synthesis, we won't even have a chance of a pyrric victory.

3.I'm sorry. But your missing the fact that is has to be fired...Who does this if you died? The starchild. You just gave him control.

No, the organics who built it. Hackett makes it very clear they tried to fire it but they couldn't. Not until Shepard makes it possible.
The StarChild had nothing to do with it.

[Malditor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You missing the fact that both organics and syntheticare techo organic in fused.

So? Shepard has implants to keep himself alive. If we used the same implants on someone else, would they suddenly be the same person?
All life on Earth spawned from a singular ancestor thus why it all based on DNA but there is great diversity

2. It doesn't solve the problem of more sysnthetic being made that can up rise.

Even if they do, organics will have been upgraded to the point where there is no risk of a purely synthetic race ever destroying us all.

3. You giving theStar child access to the cruscible to us it as he sees fit after you make your choice.

No, we are not. The Citadel is simply the Catalyst. It brings about the reaction but it can't control it.
And again, the Citadel is destroyed. The Crucible is useless without it.

1. But everyone need those implats. Everyone else can live a happy life with out them.
2. Not true at all. It would increase the danger. If they face a synthetic race they would have to fight, it would get to apoint were it waslike the USSR vs USA. A mass of super weapon pointed at each other...That opens up a  pyrric victory happening.
3.I'm sorry. But your missing the fact that is has to be fired...Who does this if you died? The starchild. You just gave him control.

The "star child" can't control the crucible, otherwise why didn't it as soon as it was joined to the Citadel?

The star child can't control the crucible before you make your choice...After you make your choice, he can.

Why would it suddenly change? Because you say it does? Good story.

[ScotGaymer]

@dreman

I wouldn't bother man. That person isn't going to accept anything you say because he/she has a set idea of what constitutes racism and what does not.
He/she doesn't accept that racism is more than just superficial appearance.

That it is also based on genetic traits, on socio-political concerns, and on cultural differences in addition to appearance.

I am a white Scottish person. If I called a white English person an "arrogant English b*stard" then I would still be being racist and/or prejudice. It still counts.

Malditor isn't going to accept any view point other than his/her own, that much is clear from his/her posts.

Just ignore it and refrain from futher derailing the thread of the central point.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 18 mai 2012 - 10:11 .

[dreman9999]

Malditor wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

STEM CELLS.

LISTEN TO THE AUDIO IN GAME.

Still wouldn't work after that long, but hey, like I said, we accept it because it's a game.

If the brain was keptintact bythe helment and place in a cold environment...

[dreman9999]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

@dreman

I wouldn't bother man. That person isn't going to accept anything you say because he/she has a set idea of what constitutes racism and what does not.
He/she doesn't accept that racism is more than just superficial appearance.

That it is based on genetic traits, on socio-political concerns, and on cultural differences in addition to appearance.

I am a white Scottish person. If I called a white English person an "arrogant English b*stard" then I would still be being racist and/or prejudice. It still counts.

Malditor isn't going to accept any view point other than his/her own, that much is clear from his/her posts.

Just ignore it and refrain from futher derailing the thread of the central point.

I know...He's indoctrinated..

[dreman9999]

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Malditor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You missing the fact that both organics and syntheticare techo organic in fused.

So? Shepard has implants to keep himself alive. If we used the same implants on someone else, would they suddenly be the same person?
All life on Earth spawned from a singular ancestor thus why it all based on DNA but there is great diversity

2. It doesn't solve the problem of more sysnthetic being made that can up rise.

Even if they do, organics will have been upgraded to the point where there is no risk of a purely synthetic race ever destroying us all.

3. You giving theStar child access to the cruscible to us it as he sees fit after you make your choice.

No, we are not. The Citadel is simply the Catalyst. It brings about the reaction but it can't control it.
And again, the Citadel is destroyed. The Crucible is useless without it.

1. But everyone need those implats. Everyone else can live a happy life with out them.
2. Not true at all. It would increase the danger. If they face a synthetic race they would have to fight, it would get to apoint were it waslike the USSR vs USA. A mass of super weapon pointed at each other...That opens up a  pyrric victory happening.
3.I'm sorry. But your missing the fact that is has to be fired...Who does this if you died? The starchild. You just gave him control.

The "star child" can't control the crucible, otherwise why didn't it as soon as it was joined to the Citadel?

The star child can't control the crucible before you make your choice...After you make your choice, he can.

Why would it suddenly change? Because you say it does? Good story.

Becausehe has full access now and someone has to trigger it to be used.

[MisterJB]

dreman9999 wrote...
Every human has the basic of human dna, but we don't look the same...Jus simular...It's the same concept.

You can't look at a human and a krogan and tell me they belong to the same species, regardless of Synthesis.
The difference between humans exist but they are nothing compared to the difference between a human and an alien in the ME universe.

[Taboo]

Malditor wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

STEM CELLS.

LISTEN TO THE AUDIO IN GAME.

Still wouldn't work after that long, but hey, like I said, we accept it because it's a game.

Suspension of disbelief goes a long way. That's the point. Shepard also has implants to speed things up. Miranda says this.

You would believe in any storytelling medium.

At some point however, you insult the audiences intelligence.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 18 mai 2012 - 10:19 .

[MisterJB]

dreman9999 wrote...
Becausehe has full access now and someone has to trigger it to be used.

You're just making up your own story. There is zero evidence the StarChild has any bearing on the effects of the Crucible.

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Becausehe has full access now and someone has to trigger it to be used.

You're just making up your own story. There is zero evidence the StarChild has any bearing on the effects of the Crucible.

The Starchild is simply there. He has no bearing on anything. Shepard does.

[Malditor]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

@dreman

I wouldn't bother man. That person isn't going to accept anything you say because he/she has a set idea of what constitutes racism and what does not.
He/she doesn't accept that racism is more than just superficial appearance.

That it is also based on genetic traits, on socio-political concerns, and on cultural differences in addition to appearance.

I am a white Scottish person. If I called a white English person an "arrogant English b*stard" then I would still be being racist and/or prejudice. It still counts.

Malditor isn't going to accept any view point other than his/her own, that much is clear from his/her posts.

Just ignore it and refrain from futher derailing the thread of the central point.

Prejudice and racism isn't always the same. You calling an english person a name isn't racism it's prejudice. You can make whatever blanket statement about me you wish, as I've changed my viewpoint in several threads.

Hating someone who's a different color = racism
Hating someone who's poor because you are rich =  prejudice

just saying...

[dreman9999]

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. But everyone need those implats. Everyone else can live a happy life with out them.

Unless the Catalyst is right and without either the Reapers or Synthesis, synthetics will, regardless of intention, destroy organics.

2. Not true at all. It would increase the danger. If they face a synthetic race they would have to fight, it would get to apoint were it waslike the USSR vs USA. A mass of super weapon pointed at each other...That opens up a  pyrric victory happening.

That danger is always present. The reason the Council stopped the FCW was because they feared a human-turian war would devastate the galaxy.
Without Synthesis, we won't even have a chance of a pyrric victory.

3.I'm sorry. But your missing the fact that is has to be fired...Who does this if you died? The starchild. You just gave him control.

No, the organics who built it. Hackett makes it very clear they tried to fire it but they couldn't. Not until Shepard makes it possible.
The StarChild had nothing to do with it.

1. Do you even understand the reason of the conflictof organics and synthetics. Look at their nature. Organicsis base in he concept of need, Synthecis is based on th concept of understading. They fight because theya re alien to each other. But from this cycle we see thatboth side are trying to coexsist and learn from one another. If their is no conflict there is not need for for fear of sysnthetic..They haveno needs so they would force any conflict on there own. If they find they don't need organics, they would justleave them be. The fear of synthetic over running organicsisbased on the actions of organics. Stop that action and their e is no conflict.

2.Of coure they will be a chance of a pyrric victory. You needto understand what cuases the conflict first...It's organics nature. The onlytrue way to stop the conflict is to contrl the nature of organics.

3.And you just gave the crucible to the star child...Who build it doesn't matter...It's who has it in the end that does.

[dreman9999]

MisterJB wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Becausehe has full access now and someone has to trigger it to be used.

You're just making up your own story. There is zero evidence the StarChild has any bearing on the effects of the Crucible.

He's the cayatylist...He has bearings to the crucible because he is the last peice need to complete it.

[DirtySHISN0]

Lets see...Eradicate an entire species from existence and become as bad as the reapers or never see love interest again?

Never see love interest.

[dreman9999]

Malditor wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

@dreman

I wouldn't bother man. That person isn't going to accept anything you say because he/she has a set idea of what constitutes racism and what does not.
He/she doesn't accept that racism is more than just superficial appearance.

That it is also based on genetic traits, on socio-political concerns, and on cultural differences in addition to appearance.

I am a white Scottish person. If I called a white English person an "arrogant English b*stard" then I would still be being racist and/or prejudice. It still counts.

Malditor isn't going to accept any view point other than his/her own, that much is clear from his/her posts.

Just ignore it and refrain from futher derailing the thread of the central point.

Prejudice and racism isn't always the same. You calling an english person a name isn't racism it's prejudice. You can make whatever blanket statement about me you wish, as I've changed my viewpoint in several threads.

Hating someone who's a different color = racism
Hating someone who's poor because you are rich =  prejudice

just saying...

Prejudice and racism is the same thing. It about subjagating a group of people via belittling them morally and physically. How do you not see this?

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 mai 2012 - 10:25 .

[dreman9999]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Lets see...Eradicate an entire species from existence and become as bad as the reapers or never see love interest again?

Never see love interest.

The reaper wanted to force evolutionon every one via brain washing.... Destroy is nothing close as bad as the reapers.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 mai 2012 - 10:25 .

[ScotGaymer]

Malditor wrote...


Prejudice and racism isn't always the same. You calling an english person a name isn't racism it's prejudice. You can make whatever blanket statement about me you wish, as I've changed my viewpoint in several threads.

Hating someone who's a different color = racism
Hating someone who's poor because you are rich =  prejudice

just saying...

As I said you arent going to accept that racism is more than just superficial prejudice based on colour of a persons skin. While that is certainly part of it, it is NOT all of it.

There are socio-political reasons, genetic reasons, and cultural reasons for racism.

But you convenienttly skipped over that part of my post.

[MisterJB]

dreman9999 wrote...
He's the cayatylist...He has bearings to the crucible because he is the last peice need to complete it.

No, Reaper technology is the last piece needed to complete it.
The StarChild couldn't even open the Citadel without the Keepers but now it can control the Crucible despite the fact it makes it clear it need Shepard? That is a huge stretch.

[jijeebo]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Lets see...Eradicate an entire species from existence and become as bad as the reapers or never see love interest again?

Never see love interest.

True dat.


I'll just get a Reaper to pass on Sheps messages to Kaidan. 


"Rudimentary being of blood and flesh, I have a message that is beyond your comprehension."

"...Huh?"

"We should see other people."

"...Wha?"

"This hurts you."

"...Eh?"

[feliciano2040]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The word you're looking for is authoritarian when you talk about the endings.

Majority in the sense of the endings is far different than Maelon's data or the council.

Synthesis effects all organic and Synthetic life in the galaxy. That is far, FAR more beings than in any other situation in any game I've ever played. That's billions of beings. Billions.

That is far different from isolated species being destroyed or cured as awful as that sounds.

None of the choices are ethical, they all come down to a matter of taste.

Excuse me, but releasing the rachni, killing the council, curing the genophage, re-writing the heretics, and countless other decisions, all have effects on EVERYONE in the galaxy, upon trillions of lives, and you're not asking for anyone's opinion on any of those choices, which are as ethically-relevant as Synthesis is.

[DirtySHISN0]

 What the f*** am i reading?

For those above having trouble distinguishing the meaning of two different words.

Investigate

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 18 mai 2012 - 10:32 .

[Malditor]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Malditor wrote...


Prejudice and racism isn't always the same. You calling an english person a name isn't racism it's prejudice. You can make whatever blanket statement about me you wish, as I've changed my viewpoint in several threads.

Hating someone who's a different color = racism
Hating someone who's poor because you are rich =  prejudice

just saying...

As I said you arent going to accept that racism is more than just superficial prejudice based on colour of a persons skin. While that is certainly part of it, it is NOT all of it.

There are socio-political reasons, genetic reasons, and cultural reasons for racism.

But you convenienttly skipped over that part of my post.

I didn't skip over that, genetic reasons resulting in difference of appearance yes, cultural differences? As in what? Different beliefs? Socio-political reasons? That makes no sense. Racism by definition is dislike because of being a different race. Hence the word RACE-ISM.

[dreman9999]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

 What the f*** am i reading?

For those above having trouble distinguishing the meaning of two different words.

www.google.co.uk/

Did you even read the point made ageint control and syntheise?

In control....What does"Yes, you will die. Youcan control us but lose everything you are" mean?

AndIn systhesis, youleavethe starchld in charge....Did you for get that reapers can control people thought implants...What did you just do to every one in synthesis?