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[Porenferser]

Now, before you start bashing, keep in mind:
HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE!

And by superfluous I don't mean necessarily bad.

James: I really tried to like him, because I have a weakness for badass-chars like Wrex or Zaeed.
But besides the fact that James seemed like a Grunt in human shape for me (who I highly dislike)......I just can't see his purpose.
He is just there. He has VERY few dialogues (most of the time he just says 'Hey!') and he really doesn't deliver anything usefull to the story.
He doesn't even fill you in like the highly hated Jacob did.
He has a few good moments, like the sparring, but all in all he is just a bland cliché in my eyes.

EDI: I loved her as a AI, but the whole bodything just pisses me off.
Sorry to sound rude, but I think that the primary goal of this descision was just to give some drooling nerds a boner.

Javik: Yes, you read right.
I know many people love him, but I just dislike his whole concept.
I don't want to know anything in detail about the protheans, and surely not from a 50.000 year old ****** (even for Sci-fi, this is just too unrealistic in my eyes).
Worst of all, he got this akward design and one of the worst voices in the whole trilogy.
I just can't take him serious with that ridiculous accent of him.
This character just destroys every last bit of respect and mystic that the protheans always delivered.
But at least I can play the game without him (in contrary to the other 2).

So.
I know that I will get insulted anyway, but for some reason I wanted to share my opinion.
Maybe someone wants to discuss in a constructive way.
Otherwise: Keep cool, it's just my opinion:P

Modifié par Porenferser, 18 mai 2012 - 04:41 .

[L. Han]

Will you people cut your negativity for once? Don't you have something else better to do then hating on things?

[FeralEwok]

Out of the whole new three characters in ME3 James is probably the weakest link. His character isn't bad, but there isn't really anything about him that makes his character very likable. He is a normal guy done right...a little too right it seems. By the second act his role seems to get smaller and smaller. If they had done more with him then maybe there could have been room for some more time to develop a better relationship with him. He did have some funny lines throughout the game though. However, his character felt unnecessary overall.

EDI was great. The body thing was a tad annoying because the intentions was made very clear by Bioware that she had to be sexy. It's something I don't nor want to understand and just try to overlook it. Truth was that I couldn't help but like her character development...bad fanfiction plot and all...because she seemed geniune. She had her fish out of water style jokes but it wasn't beating you over the head with it. She ends up even replacing Joker as the comic relief (his part seemed much smaller this time around) And as far as the Geth/Quarian conflict goes she has great commentary to offer if you bring her along. She was the new member I thought I was going to hate the most but ended up liking more than the other two.

Then there is Javik. Javik...is a dick. But a funny one. His opinions are wrong, but I think it makes sense as to why he is the way he is considering his people, the time he grew up, and what he went through. He has a strong personality and it causes a dynamic relationship with the crew that can be thought provoking, humerous, and dramatic at varrying times. His concept was an idea, that like EDI's, I was not too keen on at first. The Protheans as far as I was concerned did not need any more development. They served their purpose and to elaborate more was unnecessary. It wasn't until Javik started talking more about why the protheans failed that I began to see what he had to truly offer. His comments on their greatest weakness being their lack of diversity really resonated with one of the main themes to all of Mass Effect, and he really started to represent what Shepard needed to avoid becoming in order to make sure there was still a galaxy worth saving.

But really the weakest squadmate in ME3 is Ashley. Her character has been toyed around with as has overall image. Characters change overtime and usually it is for the better. But they took away her edge and replaced with alot of "nothing makes sense" She is gone through most of the first half due to being in the hospital, but when you finally do get her back she only talks about her family, gets unrealisticaly drunk, and then from there has Zaeed style one liners that say the same thing over and over in different varriations.

Modifié par FeralEwok, 18 mai 2012 - 04:38 .

[utaker1988]

Ok, half agree with James. I found him a useful tank and I liked the sparring match but other than that, he could have been replaced by another tank Grunt or Wrex and I would not have missed him.

Completely agree with EDI, there was no point story wise in giving her a body. If they felt so inclined to give the Joker/EDI romance a go then they were doing just fine with her the way she was. Joker was already in love with the Normandy, now it has a personality and he won't get his brittle bones broken, he would have won either way.

I liked Javik because he was a dick. A huge troll. I brought him with me everywhere so I could hear him rag on my squadmates. I like dickish humor, he suited my need to have it just fine. I found his insights quite in line with the Shepards I imported, Javik became Hope's new BFF and she needed all the lulz she could get after Thane's death. The game I suppose wasn't supposed to be a laugh fest but bringing Javik to Thessia was a golden moment in hilarity for me.

So, OP while I disagree with you about Javik, I agree that it is your opinion and you have every right to state it. At least you are right, Javik is optional and for those that dislike him well at least you have the choice to not even have him on your ship.  

Modifié par utaker1988, 18 mai 2012 - 05:05 .

[Apathy1989]

James seemed to exist only to fill players in who never played Mass Effect. He was the idiot who asked questions. He's more likable than Jacob too, despite not having much interesting to say.

EDI getting a body... I think it was the only way for her character to develop. My only miff is that she got a sexbot body.

[Grimwick]

I agree on EDI getting a body.

I also see what you mean about Javik, at first I really didn't want the lore of the protheans to be wrecked/intruded by something so blatant. But I actually liked Javik, I find his character and background very interesting, as well as the fact that he is a complete jerk.

Also, although I was annoyed at first that Vega was taking a possible squadmate slot for someone else, I did kinda grow to like him a bit more. He is well VAed if anything.

[Sugarjaye]

Don't agree at all about james, he is probably one of my most favourite characters now. Little by little i grew to love him and was majorly pissed about not being able to romance him.

[o Ventus]

FeralEwok wrote...

His opinions are wrong

This statement is an oxymoron.

[Theta Thetis]

While I agree with the OP on some points, I tried liking James, and I kinda did, though I felt that he was a little static for a character with potential to actually become a decent squaddie. I have to admit, he did have some funny moments.

I have mixed feelings about EDIs body, while I do feel like it was an attempt by BioWare to create a sexbot, I feel like it was representative of how she becomes less and less of an AI and more and more human. She goes from some voice in your ship to a squaddie, making her familiar to the player. Even her dialogue reflects this, she goes from wanting to inject Joker with pharmaceuticals, to calling him on his bull.

I don't have the Day-One DLC so I can't say anything about Javik

[Ferretinabun]

I agree with FeralEwok on James - he's a good guy done right. I actually grew to like him despite myself, and I have no real gripes about him (any character coming in this late will never be as cherished as one that's been there from the start) but he certainly was the most disposable. I think he brought the least to the table - in combat as much as anything.

EDI - I did like her character a lot, and didn't mind the whole 'acquiring a body' thing, but I would have liked her more as a moral sounding board for your Shep. They should have done much more with EDI asking you moral questions about your actions and reflecting on them. That was a great RPG mechanic which was underused. As it is, she ended up like Liara as the Shadow-Broker, or Allers as the reporter - a shadow of their game potential. And yes, making her "uber-sexy" (if you like that kinda thing) was a mistake. I mean she even has built-in heels. How impractical must they be to run around a battlefield in?

Javick? Wasn't a great fan, really. It annoyed me that he was there just to represent the bad face of empirialism. Little too much of an American cliche there, I felt. In all, I could have done without him - if it weren't for the fact that the team is woefully light on biotics, especially as it doesn't make a lot of sense game-play wise to bring Liara along on many of your missions.

EDIT: But I'd still take any of them over Kasumi. She still stands out as the most superfluous (and out of place) in the series.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 20 mai 2012 - 12:57 .

[Digitalis32]

Apathy1989 wrote...
EDI getting a body... I think it was the only way for her character to develop. My only miff is that she got a sexbot body.

+1 I found the blow-up doll approach to EDI a bit annoying too....But I suppose something has to keep Joker occupied. But the body did aid her character development.

I didn't mind James, Cortez had to have someone down in the shuttle bay to keep him entertained...well until my shepard came along.

Modifié par Digitalis32, 20 mai 2012 - 12:58 .

[legbamel]

I didn't care for sexbot EDI but James had some of the best dialogue on the ship with other crewmates. His convos with Garrus alone made him worth the taking.

I took Javik as a way to detonate the myth of the powerful, peaceful Protheans leaving this legacy out of some sort of altruism to save the next cycle. He was a dick, yeah, but it did my heart good to see the Asari knocked down a few pegs and to have everyone's expectations shattered. Plus, he's funny.

[SeanBahamut]

Porenferser wrote...

James: All in all he is just a bland cliché in my eyes.

EDI: I loved her as a AI, but the whole bodything just pisses me off.

Agree with those 2, but I really liked Javik.

[Reikilea]

Agree about Edi. I think thats actually the only squadmate/character in whole ME universe I really hate. Had to force myself to talk to her. Eventually stopped doing that, because it was annoying me.
Snorts. Fembot. Yeah.

And I thought I wouldnt like James - as I normaly dont like characters/guys like him (not to mention those bulky shoulders are wierd) but he does comes as funny somethimes, so it was easier to start like him. But yeah whole concept of him is just too stereotyped. But he had some amazing banters with other crewmembers and with femshep, so he made a good impression.
And was a good tank.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Javik was amazing. Vega and EDI weren't the greatest squadmates, but they weren't bad either. I'd put them somewhere in the middle of the pack out of all the ME squadmates.

[CrutchCricket]

If you mean superflous as in "not necessary" then yes, I agree Vega and EDI were unnecessary as squadmates and added nothing in that capacity. Javik served a purpose even if you didn't agree with it. I think the concept of a live prothean after 50,000 years is retarded. However I think the character itself was done right.

[CptData]

Well - I like Vega, 'though he kinda took Ashley's role in ME3 - like giving Shepard a nickname. Besides that, he's good to have around although other characters fit his role better: Ash can act as a tank too if needed, but usually I try to take down foes as fast as possible without getting into a personal engagement.

EDI ... well ... she kinda replaces Tali. Since Tali returns so late, EDI takes her place as Engineer. Period. I like her and her character development, mostly since she reminds me of Data - my all time favorite character.

And Javik - he had a story purpose in ME3 until BW decided to make him to a DLC character. He's not needed for the story anymore - however, his input is nice and I like to have a dark, grim guy around. That's all.

In short: no one is superflous, 'though they're not overly useful as well. And if you're a soldier or infiltator, you'll find less use in non-biotic classes for example. In my current playthrough, I hard use Garrus or Liara. EDI and Ashley are supposed to be my fave squad this time. And it works well ...

[Linkenski]

Porenferser wrote...

EDI: I loved her as a AI, but the whole bodything just pisses me off.
Sorry to sound rude, but I think that the primary goal of this descision was just to give some drooling nerds a boner.

I agree, and i'll add that it was probably just another attempt to change the theme of the game into this oranic/synthetic conflict that appeared in the ending.

Artistic Integrity...

[MrStoob]

Agree with OP about EDI and Javick (I mean, really? Arrogant space alien nob from hell?)

After seeing some previews of him, I'd already written off James Vega before even starting ME3, but was pleasantly proven wrong. While he wasn't really used in my squad much, I didn't find him that annoying as an NPC.

I've posted elsewhere here that I would have preferred they kept Dr EVA as the ninja assassin baddie, rather than boring Leng.

[Aunrielle]

I like Javik a lot. His jerkishness is pretty funny.

I love EDI's character but I hated the sexbot appearance. I am not usually against sexy characters either. For instance, the strippers and stuff never bothered me at all. But EDI's body was way over the top. I think it did a diservice to the character and made it hard to take her seriously. Also if someone wanted to create a mech that could seem real and imitate humans I'd think making it look more "normal" and realistic would be an advantage. They could have made her look sexy without looking like that.

As for James - well he is too ordinary. I don't hate him but he doesn't have anything that really sets him apart compared to other characters.

[Landon7001]

Porenferser wrote...

Now, before you start bashing, keep in mind:
HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE!

And by superfluous I don't mean necessarily bad.

James: I really tried to like him, because I have a weakness for badass-chars like Wrex or Zaeed.
But besides the fact that James seemed like a Grunt in human shape for me (who I highly dislike)......I just can't see his purpose.
He is just there. He has VERY few dialogues (most of the time he just says 'Hey!') and he really doesn't deliver anything usefull to the story.
He doesn't even fill you in like the highly hated Jacob did.
He has a few good moments, like the sparring, but all in all he is just a bland cliché in my eyes.

EDI: I loved her as a AI, but the whole bodything just pisses me off.
Sorry to sound rude, but I think that the primary goal of this descision was just to give some drooling nerds a boner.

Javik: Yes, you read right.
I know many people love him, but I just dislike his whole concept.
I don't want to know anything in detail about the protheans, and surely not from a 50.000 year old ****** (even for Sci-fi, this is just too unrealistic in my eyes).
Worst of all, he got this akward design and one of the worst voices in the whole trilogy.
I just can't take him serious with that ridiculous accent of him.
This character just destroys every last bit of respect and mystic that the protheans always delivered.
But at least I can play the game without him (in contrary to the other 2).

So.
I know that I will get insulted anyway, but for some reason I wanted to share my opinion.
Maybe someone wants to discuss in a constructive way.
Otherwise: Keep cool, it's just my opinion:P

there was some good ideas and creativity....edis body for one   but theres was just utter overexposure for her and it was just forced, after 3 missions i was done with her

for two Javik...man, one of my favorite characters of all, unpredictable....and his voice was african, i like it...reminded me of mr eko from lost

james-he was boring but ok, hed have been alright for a mission or do  but why couldnt he ever even die. strange i do tend to hate on him some bc he takes away from other characters i love and he represents the new me players the game was dumbed down for.....jacob was far superior

btw  f*** the jacob hAters

compared w the rest of the me squads  you my be right in the end....i personally would have traded them all just for miranda alone or jacob or grunt

[MrStoob]

Between ME1 and ME2 there was 16 squad members I think.  Only 5 to choose from in ME1, but 12 was a hell of a lot in ME2, but squad collection was the basis of the story though.

So why the hell they couldn't have chosen just one or two existing squaddies to fill the place of the superfluous characters I don't know, or at least expanded the slots by a couple to be filled with your favourites.

That said, not everyone could have been pleased, not everyone's favourites could be included.  If Zaeed was missed out for example, but Kasumi included, the Zaeed crowd would be right to be annoyed.

It wouldn't have been so hard to make them select-able/optional anyway, it already sorta was anyway on account of the suicide mission as to who made an appearance at all.

My full full renegade ME3 play through was depressing.  With everyone except Morinth and Miranda dead, it made for a much less interesting ride lol.  I was hoping for so much more from that save ^^
I've said it before and I'll say it again, poor Morinth [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Modifié par MrStoob, 20 mai 2012 - 11:46 .

[Jim Cognito]

They had James come in as the 'tanky/krogan' squadmate that is human, I would have much more prefered Zaeed, in character and ability, merc warlord beats young enthusiastic soldier.
EDI makes me shudder in disgust almost, hey look! ******, arse and robo-vag. A good disembodied AI but just a 'sexbot' as Jack says. Not my thing at all
I like Javik, his dickishness is my style, the voice is welcomed by me and his Dark Channel is just briliant for chain biotic combos.
Summary: James, meh/no EDI, Nooope Javik, yes, teach me the way of afrikaans