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[Malordus]

I know that the aforementioned AS is not too popular due to its many flaws...and yet, I find it works rather well.

I usually play Inf(surprise surprise, right?) but then fancied a change - so I started levelling a human Vanguard. I tried an assortment of shotguns with her, with varying success. My biggest issue was just how quickly i kept dropping...I felt I wasnt making the most of my point-blank range - either I died reloading the bigger shotguns, or just couldnt deal enough damage to a small group with the smaller ones.
It then dawned on me that the Revenant may suit the purpose: Charge, Nova, mow through whatever is left standing. So I equipped just the Revenant, added  the AP mod with barrel(may change this for extra ammo), and away I went.
Has anyone else tried this? Because I have to say, It is working pretty bloody well. I am consistently placing first or second on the scoreboards on silver, and provided I am not too gung-ho, tend not to drop all that often. Ive only got Revenant I thus far....so I'd love to know if anyone has tried this with a X or thereabouts with maxed out mods.

[Amano Kazumi]

With a Human Vanguard, you'll only be able to charge into selective groups without dying with a Revenant. On Silver, this will work for the early rounds, but not so much in the later rounds consistently unless you're cautious. Besides, the Human Vanguard is a terrible weapon user, to spec him for anything but power damage is a waste and shouldn't be used if you skip out on his advantages.

This will work with a Krogan Vanguard on Silver consistently, though I don't think it would do better than a shotgun at that range. The Krogan's weapon synergy evolution in Biotic Charge will definitely give this a little oomph.

Modifié par Amano Kazumi, 18 mai 2012 - 05:54 .

[Vash690x]

All I can say is... Eww. I mean, if you're gonna go guns blazing everything with heavy ass weapons and long ass cooldowns, why use a biotic character? Especially when biotics in general have little weapon damage passives to begin with. But, each to thier own I guess. It's just something that doesn't make much sense to me.

[Nitrocuban]

Try the Hurricane instead.

[jaydubs67]

Hurricane and Hornet are both better than the Revenant for a human vanguard. They provide higher or almost as high damage as the Revenant, respectively, without giving up much in terms of cooldowns. Alternatively, shotguns for burst damage in between charge-nova, or pistols to provide support at longer tange.

Honestly, if you're not using charge-nova for invincibility frames, you should grab the krogan, asari, or drell instead. Staying up close to enemies without barriers or invincibility frames is a bad idea.

[Vash690x]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

Try the Hurricane instead.

If he HAS the Hurricane. Does he have the Hurricane?

No.. he doesn't.

I do however have a suggestion that works great with my HV experiences. Falcon + Cryo Ammo.
It's heavy as sin BUT you should be taking Power Damage and Weight Reduction in the Racial Passive Tree anyway (Alliance Training) and at the end of that tree you have to take the 20% Weight Reduction to ALL Weapons.

Just flash freeze a group before you charge in.

Hmmm, that sounds pretty interesting...

[Malordus]

Vash690x wrote...

All I can say is... Eww. I mean, if you're gonna go guns blazing everything with heavy ass weapons and long ass cooldowns, why use a biotic character? Especially when biotics in general have little weapon damage passives to begin with. But, each to thier own I guess. It's just something that doesn't make much sense to me.

Not sure you read my post. I can drop mobs with a good degree of success....better than whoever I find myself teamed up with, as I stated. And I must be honest, the cooldown is really not an issue. It does not suffer so much that I cannot use charge and nova regularly. The build gives me +81%(or thereabouts)...so far from a negative figure.


And you're on the money, XxTalonxX - I do not own the Hurricane. Lol.


Edited. I initially gave 48%...but it is 81%. Long ass cooldowns? Uh, no.

Modifié par Malordus, 18 mai 2012 - 06:32 .

[ShadowWeaver2012]

My Revenant is like a level 7 and I was able to mow down Phantoms yesterday on Bronze

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

I respect your choice, but I would never bring a Revenant on my Novaguard in a Gold game.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Any weapon combo can work on any class as long as you play with a competent group and you use common sense. I see a lot of not just vanguards but "trash players" do stupid things and run into something that is almost 100% suicide. I asked one Krogan vanguard hell bent on meleeing. "You just ran into a group of phantoms! How did you expect to come back from that!!?- response - " I was going to melee them and stay alive with barrier."- Me - "What was your plan B, cause that shyt is a stupid plan for a group of insta kill enemies." - Response - "______ has left the game."

[drakeSVK]

I tried a HV with the Revenant on Reaper/Gold before. It does work, but is far from optimal... you have to be much more careful than with a Falcon/Cryo combo though.

[d_nought]

Tried the Revenant with the Drellguard on Silver. Vanguard glitched on wave 3. Even the Saber I is a 10x better option. The part where the Rev slows you to a stop when you fire had something to do with it. You're better off with the Hornet, Hurricane or if you want Arpen mods, the Phaeston. But you're best off with a pistol or shotgun.

[ThePowerOfHAT]

I don't see the problem with this. Vanguards are, theoretically, combat/biotic specialists, so having some bigger weapons makes sense.

[Grimy Bunyip]

revenant weighs 125%, it's not exactly a terribly heavy weapon. So I don't think that's a huge issue
I think the bigger concern is that when you fire the revenant, you start walking slower than you can normally walk.

Would that be potentially fatal for a vanguard?

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

revenant weighs 125%, it's not exactly a terribly heavy weapon. So I don't think that's a huge issue
I think the bigger concern is that when you fire the revenant, you start walking slower than you can normally walk.

Would that be potentially fatal for a vanguard?

No, since Vanguards can refill their barrier by charging.

I still do not recommend going below +180% cooldown with a Novaguard.

[d_nought]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

revenant weighs 125%, it's not exactly a terribly heavy weapon. So I don't think that's a huge issue
I think the bigger concern is that when you fire the revenant, you start walking slower than you can normally walk.

Would that be potentially fatal for a vanguard?

It would definitely be so for a Human Vanguard, or at least very counterintuitive. Drell, Asari or Krogan could probably manage it, but you'd have to pop into cover after charging. You would be using charge more as a vector to get to good cover spots where you can lawnmower spawns, or just to recharge your shield and dodging afterward (Drell/Asari dodge ftw). It's an odd playstyle and I don't think it's worth it. But if you want to use a Vanguard with a Revenant, I'm not going to kick you from my lobby .

Modifié par chipsandwich, 18 mai 2012 - 08:13 .

[mrcanada]

Ew.

[KentGoldings]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

ShadowWeaver2012 wrote...

My Revenant is like a level 7 and I was able to mow down Phantoms yesterday on Bronze

Just for the record Bronze is not an indication of anything, because anything can work in Bronze.

Bronze is a different game than Silver or Gold.  Bronze is like a foot race to kill the enemies. Gold you're just trying not to die.  

Modifié par KentGoldings, 18 mai 2012 - 08:33 .

[robarcool]

OP, did you try this on gold?

[jaydubs67]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

drakeSVK wrote...

I tried a HV with the Revenant on Reaper/Gold before. It does work, but is far from optimal... you have to be much more careful than with a Falcon/Cryo combo though.

It's honestly a ridiculous combo, cryo explosions and flash freezes everywhere.

Usually goes something like this...

SCHADOOSH --> freeze 2-4 enemies --> Charge --> Cryo Explosion 1 (more freezes maybe)--> Nova --> Cryo Explosion 2 + 3

Dead enemies...



Honestly, I'm surprised more people don't know about that combo yet...

A lot of people don't try it because it sounds ridiculous.  Falcon on a HV?  Nah...  I had to see a video (thanks zhk3r) before I believed it.  I still don't run it much, but that's more personal preference than a viability thing.  

 

[Malordus]

robarcool wrote...

OP, did you try this on gold?

Not yet. I dont often play Gold, to be honest. Best do a gold then

There is some nice feedback on different combinations, and I will play around with it...but ultimately it boils down to having fun. And I can assure you all, however distasteful you may find my choice, it certainly is fun. It is still very much a high risk/high reward playstyle, and it does require alot of strategising, which again, increases my enjoyment.

Yes, Ive noticed how slowly you walk when firing on the move, but I rarely do this. I fire in short bursts from cover at a medium distance to both provide harrassing fire and soften the group up, then charge/nova/mow/melee before quickly dropping behind cover again. As long as I am mindful of the group compositions, I can pretty effectively chew through a decent variety of mobs.
Again, I am frequently finished first or second and often left the only one standing when a wave gets a bit hairy, so Ive yet to have any complaints from team members  Its a....calculated level of recklessness. Lol

[drakeSVK]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

drakeSVK wrote...

I tried a HV with the Revenant on Reaper/Gold before. It does work, but is far from optimal... you have to be much more careful than with a Falcon/Cryo combo though.

It's honestly a ridiculous combo, cryo explosions and flash freezes everywhere.
Honestly, I'm surprised more people don't know about that combo yet...

I know, I use it myself. It's very good.

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

revenant weighs 125%, it's not exactly a terribly heavy weapon. So I don't think that's a huge issue
I think the bigger concern is that when you fire the revenant, you start walking slower than you can normally walk.

Would that be potentially fatal for a vanguard?

 


The Human Vanguard with Half Blast doesn't need more than +120/130 percent cooldown in order to be effective. You can take a Falcon X + Phalanx X and it's still great.

The biggest problem with full auto weapons like the Revenant is that they require sustained firing to be effective, and that obviously means less invulnerability frames from Nova/Charge.

Modifié par drakeSVK, 18 mai 2012 - 09:58 .