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[Taboo]

They would be very foolish NOT to. It would shut a great deal of people up.

Myself included.

Only because I'm such a softie.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 19 mai 2012 - 01:36 .

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Suraxis wrote...

It's getting to the point that I think Bioware will just give all of us a big middle finger. Everyone seems exhausted with the whole ordeal, including the voice actors, so I'm really bracing myself for one hell of a **** you.

Done, and done.

[christrek1982]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They would be very foolish NOT to. It would shut a great deal of people up.

Myself included.

Only because I'm such a softie.

that would be grate that and the normandy are my top tow on my wish list I know sounds sad hay why the F not

agreed when I herd Mr Hudson say that not everyone would like the ending I thought that shepherd would die in most of the ending but I also said the this was Bioware and there would be at least one ending where he/she lived I was shocked when that was not the case (sort of)

Modifié par christrek1982, 19 mai 2012 - 01:34 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

jojon2se wrote...

With enough imagination, Henriksen's quote could even be taken to suggest there's either only lose-scenarios and that's how is is supposed to be, or there's an entire, different "winning" plotline to take at some point; such as rejecting the contrived Crucible project from the get-go and coming up with another solution, only every player misses it (...and those who don't keep quiet about it).

UHhuh, just like 98% of a good game, is equal to 98% of people, that aren't bright enough too get it, try again.

[shepskisaac]

Suraxis wrote...

It's getting to the point that I think Bioware will just give all of us a big middle finger. Everyone seems exhausted with the whole ordeal, including the voice actors, so I'm really bracing myself for one hell of a **** you.

For voice actors it's just another session every few weeks/months. No different than working on DLC or having another take at lines. But for Bioware devs I have no doubt the whole thing has been exhausting. I don't expect any middle finger, but neither I expect them to be "zomg yess were were praying we would be able to work 4 more months on the core game right after crunch time!!!11"

[Taboo]

If you think Bioware would go through all this trouble to screw you over you're seriously mistaken.

Do you have any idea how much this will cost?

[Reikilea]

EDI too. Damn.. Will she drag that body with her too? I though I took care about that issue in Destroy ending.
Or will that be only for other endings...

And Henriksen just had to come. Who else that him - you just need his voice for the epilogue.

[Deemz]

Taboo-XX wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lance:

"I just did another session with them...They were saying there's a little bit of a problem with the abruptness of the ending," Hendriksen said. "So we did a whole series of things to add to the end of the game, to live up to the quality they've been doing."

I'll state again.

Bioware knows what the problem is.

What have they said that makes you think that? I know they know there is a problem but I have not seen anything that suggests they recognize what those issues are. 

[TMA LIVE]

IsaacShep wrote...

Hanabii wrote...

...Maybe he counts 'winning the game' as 'losing the game'.

If you replace "loses" with "finishes" in his quote, then it would make some sense. As it is, it makes no sense lol. Games don't "shut down" at game over screens and nobody works on content extending game over screen because why lol? I dunno, either he confused "finishes" with "loses" or he simply never played a game in his life and doesn't exactly know what he's talking about.

I don't take his comment that seriously. I don't think Lance plays video games, and confuses Shepard's dead as a game over.

[Taboo]

Deemz wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lance:

"I just did another session with them...They were saying there's a little bit of a problem with the abruptness of the ending," Hendriksen said. "So we did a whole series of things to add to the end of the game, to live up to the quality they've been doing."

I'll state again.

Bioware knows what the problem is.

What have they said that makes you think that? I know they know there is a problem but I have not seen anything that suggests they recognize what those issues are. 

Business experience. They would be unwise to simply roll out something they wanted in the Extended Cut.

Were I come from they haul the film away and re-cut it to better suit the audience and that almost always means something that will lessen the depression factor.

The Extended Cut was not planned and the outcry is the result of that.

Do you really think they would bring in Tricia Helfer and Lance Henrickson just to **** with you? Do you believe that they aren't hurt in some capacity by this? That sixty thousand people didn't faze them? They are human beings with thoughts and feelings. You don't have to like them but you must respect them as human beings.

Don't think for one minute that Mr. Hudson and Mr. Walters don't know what the problem is.

[Deemz]

Taboo -
I don't think they are doing it to mess with us. I know they are doing whatever they can to make as many people happy as they can. I do not doubt that at all. The reason I asked my question was because I honestly want to know if they had stated anywhere that they recognize the things that many people disliked. The question was directed at you because your statement read like you might have read something I missed. I know they would not go through the time and expense if they did not think we would like it. But, they also though we would love the current ending.

[Taboo]

Deemz wrote...

Taboo -
I don't think they are doing it to mess with us. I know they are doing whatever they can to make as many people happy as they can. I do not doubt that at all. The reason I asked my question was because I honestly want to know if they had stated anywhere that they recognize the things that many people disliked. The question was directed at you because your statement read like you might have read something I missed. I know they would not go through the time and expense if they did not think we would like it. But, they also though we would love the current ending.

The problem is lack of closure for most people. That means Love Interests and characters. Had that been in place I seriously doubt a lot of this would have reached the state it is.

People love the characters more than anything else. To not know what happens to them just kills people.

Furthermore the endings do not paint a very positive outlook on the fate of the Universe. If Bioware can paint a brighter future with it they can make people forget the faults.

I can't make you trust me but I assure you that they know damn good and well what the problem is. More than anything I think this is a reality check for them. You never, ever ****** off the audience because they WILL rebel and fight back. The Extended Cut is a compromise whether Bioware will admit it or not. This type of behavior ruins careers where I come from. It won't ruin Mr. Hudson's but I hope it reminds him that the audience matters just as much as the game does. You can NEVER put yourselves above the audience. NO EXCEPTIONS.

People believe that Bioware is going to explain their art to them because we are too stupid to understand it. I understand it just fine. It's the worst narrative execution I've ever seen and they need to know that. They can fix it with a bit more information. No, you won't get a brand new ending but you are most certainly going to have a better one than you have now.

[Dont Kaidan Me]

Taboo-XX wrote...
People believe that Bioware is going to explain their art to them because we are too stupid to understand it. I understand it just fine. It's the worst narrative execution I've ever seen and they need to know that.

^ Hearty agreement.

[Landon7001]

id really prefer hackett not be in the ec, hes in me 3 waaay too much already, dont reaally like him....theres too much edi already too

[Landon7001]

@Taboo-XX A men

[Oldbones2]

Taboo-XX wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lance:

"I just did another session with them...They were saying there's a little bit of a problem with the abruptness of the ending," Hendriksen said. "So we did a whole series of things to add to the end of the game, to live up to the quality they've been doing."

I'll state again.

Bioware knows what the problem is.

But the aren't fixing it.

At this point, whatever reason they have for choosing this particular ending is irrelevant.  A planned sequel, the film series, maybe its just cheaper, who knows, it doesn't matter.

Bioware has lost longtime customers over this.  

EA has had they brand severely tarnished over this.

Mass Effect as a series may no longer have a future because of this.


Yet, even though they have every single business based reason in the world to fix this, they just don't seem to get it through their heads.

And I really can't fathom why.

[Deemz]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Extended Cut was not planned and the outcry is the result of that.

Do you really think they would bring in Tricia Helfer and Lance Henrickson just to **** with you? Do you believe that they aren't hurt in some capacity by this? That sixty thousand people didn't faze them? They are human beings with thoughts and feelings. You don't have to like them but you must respect them as human beings.

Don't think for one minute that Mr. Hudson and Mr. Walters don't know what the problem is.

And what the heck did I say to deserve a response like this? Did I question if anyone was a human being? Did I insult you or anyone else?

I think all I was asking is what you were basing your statement on.

[Taboo]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lance:

"I just did another session with them...They were saying there's a little bit of a problem with the abruptness of the ending," Hendriksen said. "So we did a whole series of things to add to the end of the game, to live up to the quality they've been doing."

I'll state again.

Bioware knows what the problem is.

But the aren't fixing it.

At this point, whatever reason they have for choosing this particular ending is irrelevant.  A planned sequel, the film series, maybe its just cheaper, who knows, it doesn't matter.

Bioware has lost longtime customers over this.  

EA has had they brand severely tarnished over this.

Mass Effect as a series may no longer have a future because of this.


Yet, even though they have every single business based reason in the world to fix this, they just don't seem to get it through their heads.

And I really can't fathom why.

I'll admit that some of their behavior contradicts what should be done but this has also never happened to a video game before. It's unprecedented.

Did you ever think that it can be fixed? That you've already decided to be unhappy? The game will never be perfect again but the best the Extended Cut can do is make it shine again. It can remove the grease from pan and allow it to be clear again. There will always be residue left over but it won't be as visible. In time, when people are happy and pleased emotionally, they will forget intellectual faults. It's no different from a marriage. You are aware of the faults but you love them anyway. That's how the brain works. Nothing is perfect but it can be a good experience.

Just wait and see what happens.

[Taboo]

Deemz wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Extended Cut was not planned and the outcry is the result of that.

Do you really think they would bring in Tricia Helfer and Lance Henrickson just to **** with you? Do you believe that they aren't hurt in some capacity by this? That sixty thousand people didn't faze them? They are human beings with thoughts and feelings. You don't have to like them but you must respect them as human beings.

Don't think for one minute that Mr. Hudson and Mr. Walters don't know what the problem is.

And what the heck did I say to deserve a response like this? Did I question if anyone was a human being? Did I insult you or anyone else?

I think all I was asking is what you were basing your statement on.

I'm merely stating a fact. It isn't directed at you personally. That's the way it is. I mean no disrespect. I'm simply tired of people believing that they don't care.

I'm sorry if I offended you.

[Vertigo_1]

Taboo-XX wrote...
So?

I like the character. People are quite a bit more than looks you know. Even if she died her hair back she wouldn't be that character.

This isn't Vertigo.

[Oldbones2]

Taboo-XX wrote...


The problem is lack of closure for most people. That means Love Interests and characters. Had that been in place I seriously doubt a lot of this would have reached the state it is.

People love the characters more than anything else. To not know what happens to them just kills people.

Furthermore the endings do not paint a very positive outlook on the fate of the Universe. If Bioware can paint a brighter future with it they can make people forget the faults.

I can't make you trust me but I assure you that they know damn good and well what the problem is. More than anything I think this is a reality check for them. You never, ever ****** off the audience because they WILL rebel and fight back. The Extended Cut is a compromise whether Bioware will admit it or not. This type of behavior ruins careers where I come from. It won't ruin Mr. Hudson's but I hope it reminds him that the audience matters just as much as the game does. You can NEVER put yourselves above the audience. NO EXCEPTIONS.

People believe that Bioware is going to explain their art to them because we are too stupid to understand it. I understand it just fine. It's the worst narrative execution I've ever seen and they need to know that. They can fix it with a bit more information. No, you won't get a brand new ending but you are most certainly going to have a better one than you have now.

Its not about lack of closure for me.  Or rather, its not entirely about lack of closure.

The ending (singular) of Mass Effect 3 (and the trilogy thus far) is incredibly bleak and bitter regardless of player choice and effort.  

While the ending separated from ME 3 would be bad on its own (sloppy execution and poorly written tops the list of no no's) placed on a series with a wildly differnet tone and theme it become UNFORGIVABLE.

Look at it this way, the ending actually would have worked in lets say the Dragon Age universe.  After all DA is all about hard choices and unfortunate outcomes, even the best Wardens have to make some compromises along the way.  But that's ok, because its consistent and makes sense.

Mass Effects ending isn't and doesn't.  

It's not the closure that gets me.  (though seeing Miranda one more time, would help)  It's the consistancy (also and this is soley restricted to the gaming medium, impact, my choices and actions have none) or lack thereof, which means that no matter what they do to 'clarify and add closure', it still won't work for most people, because we don't like the ending, because it doesn't fit.

And I do say most people because if you look at the original poll, the big one with 70,000+ votes from BSN members, you'll see that most people didn't say the endings were ok, just tell us what happened to our friends, they said, the endings sucked we want a brighter one.

[Taboo]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
So?

I like the character. People are quite a bit more than looks you know. Even if she died her hair back she wouldn't be that character.

This isn't Vertigo.

Alfred Hitchcock

James Stewart?

Kim Novak?

You haven't seen it?

[Taboo]

I will state again.

You can make the endings less pessimistic with more footage.

This isn't something I should have to tell you.

Understand that five minutes of footage isn't going to make anything worse.

You have no idea what they're doing.

[eddieoctane]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The problem is lack of closure for most people. That means Love Interests and characters. Had that been in place I seriously doubt a lot of this would have reached the state it is.

That was the problem. But you can't fall short of expectations, and ask for a retry and expect everything to be honky-dory afterwards. 1 slight can't be undone with one good act. BioWare has implied that the MP was always going to be free, and MP wasn't the problem to begin with, so nothing there can be considered an attempt and doing right by the fans. Once you pissed on everyone, simply adding closure won't fix the problem. Now we need much more for our trust in BioWare to be restored. It might sound petty, but it's a survival mechanism. Once bitten, twice shy.

[Vertigo_1]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
So?

I like the character. People are quite a bit more than looks you know. Even if she died her hair back she wouldn't be that character.

This isn't Vertigo.

Alfred Hitchcock

James Stewart?

Kim Novak?

You haven't seen it?

Err, no I thought you were talking about me in that other post there...