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[Reth Shepherd]

Gruntburner wrote...

If you think think that the EC can only make ending better, then you are an optimist and I welcome you to my table. If you are going to wait and see, you are a realist and I respect your caution and hope it turns out good for you. If you already know that EC is going to fail and nothing can convince you otherwise, you are a cynic and should leave because demanding a complete rewrite is insane and provides nothing constructive.

I guess that depends on whether narrative cohesion, closure, and bringing the maximum number of fans back to Bioware is considered "nothing constructive".  Bioware doesn't even have to remove the blasted Starkid if they are so dead-set on including it, just add another path. For example, after TIM's base, you have the option to join the assault on Earth directly, or to head to Ilos and assault the Citadel from the back door. Completely different path through the Citadel, running into and helping people like Bailey, the Council, and whats-her-face the reporter, and wind up in a completely different location, such as the master control (already established in ME1 as the Council Chamber). Work with the Crucible from there, different set of choices (EDI/the Geth/the Quarians go on a Reaper hacking spree from that console, option to...blah blah blah, whatever, just something that isn't RGB). Bingo: doesn't invalidate RGB for those who liked it, gives those of us who didn't like it an alternative. (And no blown-up relays, so no worries about blowing up the galaxy!)

As for the rest, yeah, I fully admit to being a cynic. Bioware's statements have given me very little reason to hope and plenty of reasons to dread. 'Artistic integrity', 'don't worry, we're not changing the endings', 'the big problem is that it was too abrupt', 'we didn't realize people would want it (closure)', 'the EC will not change the endings or provide new ones'. Quite honestly, the only points of hope I've seen so far are Patrick Weekes and the little things/statements that keep hinting at IT. The big difference between myself and your statement is that, despite everything, there IS actually a tiny part of me that hopes that Bioware is simply being particularly cagey, and that they want to and ARE actually fixing things. It's such a tiny part, and the evidence so small, that allowing hope is a fool's quest. But I WILL give them the time to release the EC and see which it is.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

How can someone go through the geth concensus AND project overlord and then say "Theres no possible way to make starkid work narratively on any level"? (The point is that these people complaining dont have any creativity at all, they are dummies)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 19 mai 2012 - 07:20 .

[Tazzmission]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

How can someone go through the geth concensus AND project overlord and then say "Theres no possible way to make starkid work narratively on any level"? (The point is that these people complaining dont have any creativity at all, they are dummies)

feel free to check the thread i just posted regarding catalyst and reaper new theory


i agree it was hinted at in me2

[Mcfly616]

Hahahaha did this guy just imply that Starchild is "creative"?

[Tazzmission]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Hahahaha did this guy just imply that Starchild is "creative"?

he is creative if you actually think about it for a second


the being of light was mentioned in me1 and dont tell me different


then in me2 you have a lil dlc title over lord wich basicly imo is a primitive version of sythnesis

me3. we learn tim wants to controll the reapers and successfully has done it with henry lawson with a signal

so in a way yea the endings do make sense

also note all the religious referances in me3 the asari temple for example


and who knows maybe soverighn did believe the reapers were just there and are without a creator

maybe the reapers fully evolved similar to the geth like legion because think when legion died to upload his code he said I instead of we meaning he considered himself a person instead of a platform

[Landon7001]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Gruntburner wrote...

If you think think that the EC can only make ending better, then you are an optimist and I welcome you to my table. If you are going to wait and see, you are a realist and I respect your caution and hope it turns out good for you. If you already know that EC is going to fail and nothing can convince you otherwise, you are a cynic and should leave because demanding a complete rewrite is insane and provides nothing constructive.

I guess that depends on whether narrative cohesion, closure, and bringing the maximum number of fans back to Bioware is considered "nothing constructive".  Bioware doesn't even have to remove the blasted Starkid if they are so dead-set on including it, just add another path. For example, after TIM's base, you have the option to join the assault on Earth directly, or to head to Ilos and assault the Citadel from the back door. Completely different path through the Citadel, running into and helping people like Bailey, the Council, and whats-her-face the reporter, and wind up in a completely different location, such as the master control (already established in ME1 as the Council Chamber). Work with the Crucible from there, different set of choices (EDI/the Geth/the Quarians go on a Reaper hacking spree from that console, option to...blah blah blah, whatever, just something that isn't RGB). Bingo: doesn't invalidate RGB for those who liked it, gives those of us who didn't like it an alternative. (And no blown-up relays, so no worries about blowing up the galaxy!)

As for the rest, yeah, I fully admit to being a cynic. Bioware's statements have given me very little reason to hope and plenty of reasons to dread. 'Artistic integrity', 'don't worry, we're not changing the endings', 'the big problem is that it was too abrupt', 'we didn't realize people would want it (closure)', 'the EC will not change the endings or provide new ones'. Quite honestly, the only points of hope I've seen so far are Patrick Weekes and the little things/statements that keep hinting at IT. The big difference between myself and your statement is that, despite everything, there IS actually a tiny part of me that hopes that Bioware is simply being particularly cagey, and that they want to and ARE actually fixing things. It's such a tiny part, and the evidence so small, that allowing hope is a fool's quest. But I WILL give them the time to release the EC and see which it is.

i kinda agree with this completely....cant help but have some hope  but all the evidence/statements are not very reassuring

[Filby08]

I read this whole post in his voice.

[Eain]

Sublyminal wrote...

The hell does he mean by "loses" I seem to recall my popup saying my Shepard became a Legend, now buy more DLC.


Now if he means that I lost 30 hrs of my life on ME3, then yea, I did lose.

He's an old man and probably not much of a gamer, haha. I'm pretty certain he's not sure what terminology to use. I did laugh at the fact that he called the end of the game "losing" though. XD

[Fraevar]

Reth Shepherd wrote...
*snip*

Quite honestly, the only points of hope I've seen so far are Patrick Weekes and the little things/statements that keep hinting at IT. The big difference between myself and your statement is that, despite everything, there IS actually a tiny part of me that hopes that Bioware is simply being particularly cagey, and that they want to and ARE actually fixing things. It's such a tiny part, and the evidence so small, that allowing hope is a fool's quest. But I WILL give them the time to release the EC and see which it is.

Main problem with the EC and the IT is that it means BioWare will have to commit. They will implicitly or otherwise have to acknowledge that their original plan is a failure. If they were going for the IT, then the context in the shipped game implies that they deliberately left it vague to give players a (false) sense of agency through the (false) choice at the end. If, on the other hand, they fully commit to the IT with the EC, then they're also committing to explicitly stating that Control and Synthesis are in fact fail-states. Right now there's debate regarding this, but BioWare going with the IT means they will have to tell everyone who chose Control or Synthesis that they picked wrong and lost the war/gave in to indoctrination.

And I honestly doubt they would be willing to do that, even if it seems to be what the plan was, because making an explicit statement to this does just as much to invalidate people's perception of their Commander Shepard as the shipped content does. In short, they wrote themselves into a corner.

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 19 mai 2012 - 08:52 .

[JedTed]

I got super excited when i read Tricia Helfer's tweet, now i can't wait to hear what kind of new dialog Hackett has.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Soooo, he thinks he recorded only for a 'lose' situation. That doesn't really inspire confidence.

This basically makes me think that this new voice-over stuff is all battle noise and he's talking about Hackett calling for retreat, which was probably voiced to give an explanation for Joker's cowardly move.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 19 mai 2012 - 09:05 .

[zombieord]

He could be referring to the fact you can die after getting hit by Harbinger's beam. If your paragon score is not high enough the Illusive Man will kill you without a renegade interrupt. Also, if you don't choose your color after talking to the starkid the crucible is destroyed.

Perhaps they are adding a Reapers win type ending where the Crucible never fires?

[JamesT91]

honestly of all the characters i would like to have some closure for in the extended cut those are not 2 of my priority choices

but it is nice to know they are seemingly going about i right and putting in the work oppsed to simply adding a few pages of text for the squad

Modifié par JamesT91, 19 mai 2012 - 09:50 .

[Dont Kaidan Me]

TheNexus wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

"Raphael Sbarge"

Thank god, that means we'll get dialog from all the current (i.e. ME3) squadmembers, mark my words.

I keep having this image pop up in my head where Kaidan is the only squadmate that talks in the EC even if you killed him on Virmire lol. So yeah here's the EC, inside scoop:

Shepard: Kaidan?
Kaidan: Yeah?
Shepard: I thought you died on Virmire...?
Kaidain: ....oh yeah. That. Flesh wound, really.
Shepard: Oh...ok....so.....
Kaidan: I'm the Catalyst.
Shepard: What? How is....
Kaidan: Listen...all the other voice actors were busy and Law & Order never called me back for any more episodes...so...I'm the Catalyst.
Shepard: ...how does that make any...
Kaidan: Do you want star child to be the Catalyst again?
Shepard: NO. NO PLEASE NO.
Kaidan: Ok.
Shepard: So...what do we do now?
Kaidan: "We" don't do anything. "You" pay EA 14.99 for some new colo... endings.
Shepard: I thought the EC was free...?
Kaidan: Haven't I been talking to you this whole time? You just found out that I not only survived Virmire, but that I am also the Catalyst. Pro bono. And people say EA isn't generous.

*SHEPARD IS STILL A LEGEND. BUY MORE MULTIPLAYER PACKS AND ARIA DLC.*

*****giggle******

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

TheNexus wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

"Raphael Sbarge"

Thank god, that means we'll get dialog from all the current (i.e. ME3) squadmembers, mark my words.

I keep having this image pop up in my head where Kaidan is the only squadmate that talks in the EC even if you killed him on Virmire lol. So yeah here's the EC, inside scoop:

Shepard: Kaidan?
Kaidan: Yeah?
Shepard: I thought you died on Virmire...?
Kaidain: ....oh yeah. That. Flesh wound, really.
Shepard: Oh...ok....so.....
Kaidan: I'm the Catalyst.
Shepard: What? How is....
Kaidan: Listen...all the other voice actors were busy and Law & Order never called me back for any more episodes...so...I'm the Catalyst.
Shepard: ...how does that make any...
Kaidan: Do you want star child to be the Catalyst again?
Shepard: NO. NO PLEASE NO.
Kaidan: Ok.
Shepard: So...what do we do now?
Kaidan: "We" don't do anything. "You" pay EA 14.99 for some new colo... endings.
Shepard: I thought the EC was free...?
Kaidan: Haven't I been talking to you this whole time? You just found out that I not only survived Virmire, but that I am also the Catalyst. Pro bono. And people say EA isn't generous.

*SHEPARD IS STILL A LEGEND. BUY MORE MULTIPLAYER PACKS AND ARIA DLC.*

*****giggle******

[revo76]

So Hackett will make a speech after our 'epic' death in front of ruins of Citadel along with survived squadmates from Normandy.

They will show the monument of Anderson and Shepard, will see other squadmates with our fake coffin , then we will see Liara with her child, then we will see a derelict Reaper, the one we destroyed with Cain, etc. etc.

Very good EC, well done, pff

[Keltic]

While i admit to being a bit cynical about all this i do think that people need to wait and see what we get before ranting , I know that i for one want a possible perfect/happy ending and would be willing to jump through hoops to get it which is how it should be.

[Snout]

It'll just be Hackett chatting over the radio while the Normandy's running away with EDI advising Jeff on some stuff.

Nowt special to see here.

[Titus Thongger]

HACKKET IN! **** YEA!

Modifié par Titus Thongger, 19 mai 2012 - 10:07 .

[Thalador]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lance:

"I just did another session with them...They were saying there's a little bit of a problem with the abruptness of the ending," Hendriksen said. "So we did a whole series of things to add to the end of the game, to live up to the quality they've been doing."

"... a little bit of a problem..."

Yeah, sure.

BioWare, Masters of Understatement.

[someguy1231]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: no amount of "clarification" can save the ending. Bioware has already made it clear the EC won't retcon or otherwise change the ending. Shepard still submits to the Catalyst, and the galaxy is still plunged into a Dark Age. So far, it looks like the EC is just going to be shallow fanservice that tries to deflect attention from the state of the galaxy and Shepard's character derailment by saying to the player, "Look, all of your favorite squadmates!"

[Xewaka]

Taboo-XX wrote...
I think Bioware already cemented the Shepard surving being the best ending regardless of their intentions when they allowed it to happen in the first place. It has the highest EMS score requirement.

However, it is unattainable by single player alone, and they've stated the best ending is achievable by single player alone. If I am not mistaken, they consider Synthesis the best ending, while Shepard surviving is treated as an easter egg, not the best ending.

EDIT: Typo corrected.

Modifié par Xewaka, 19 mai 2012 - 03:50 .

[mcgreggers99]

Xewaka wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
I think Bioware already cemented the Shepard surving being the best ending regardless of their intentions when they allowed it to happen in the first place. It has the highest EMS score requirement.

However, it is unattainable by single player alone, and they've stated the best ending is achievable by multiplayer alone. If I am not mistaken, they consider Synthesis the best ending, while Shepard surviving is treated as an easter egg, not the best ending.

[RocketManSR2]

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Which could play out like this:
1. Shepard breathes.
2. Suddenly, just as Shepard is rising to his/her feet, Star Kid materializes.
3. Star Kid: "Psych!"
4. Shepard: "What the..."
5. Star Kid's eyes focus into white hot lazers that split Shepard down the middle, both halves pausing for a moment before gravity takes hold.
6. The End.

CATALYST WINS
FLAWLESS VICTORY
FATALITY

[Mcfly616]

Tazzmission wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Hahahaha did this guy just imply that Starchild is "creative"?

he is creative if you actually think about it for a second


the being of light was mentioned in me1 and dont tell me different


then in me2 you have a lil dlc title over lord wich basicly imo is a primitive version of sythnesis

me3. we learn tim wants to controll the reapers and successfully has done it with henry lawson with a signal

so in a way yea the endings do make sense

also note all the religious referances in me3 the asari temple for example


and who knows maybe soverighn did believe the reapers were just there and are without a creator

maybe the reapers fully evolved similar to the geth like legion because think when legion died to upload his code he said I instead of we meaning he considered himself a person instead of a platform

Um no....creative would imply there was some originality to it.....an all powerful omnipresent being has been done countless times....oh and Bioware just so happened to Copy and Paste the Architect straight from the Matrix sequals....and named him the Catalyst......they literally copied the character that ruined the Matrix trilogy lol.....I think its safe to say we interpret "creativity" differently