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[Lookout1390]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...


It's really hard to take anything anyone says from Bioware unless it's an actual press-statement.

Other than that, personally I just think it's just a wild goose chase, or a lame attempt to keep our attention.

Casey Hudson, the lead director, lied through his teeth to us, so it's really hard to take anything seriously that comes from someone lower on the food chain.

You do realize what a producer does don't you?

Yes,and I still fail to see your point.

Adding on to what's already **** isn't going to make it not-****.

It needs to be completely rebooted to make sense.

You rework and transmure crap and turn it into gold. In the Middle Ages they called it Alchemy.

Today I call it the Blade Runner effect.

But it's gold -colored ****, but nonetheless, it's still ****.

I call it a lazy/cheap fix attempt at trying to salvage this mess, when the slate just needs to be wiped clean.

[DirtySHISN0]

Worst case scenario - Flop, extended version of the comm link chats.

Reasonable attempt - only covers character relationships.

Best case scenario - they manage to cover character relationships and make starchild logically fit the story. (seeing as a rewritten ending has been shot down)

[Taboo]

Lookout1390 wrote...

But it's gold -colored ****, but nonetheless, it's still ****.

I call it a lazy/cheap fix attempt at trying to salvage this mess, when the slate just needs to be wiped clean.

When you transmute you change it entirely. Is is no longer fecal matter. It is a piece of metal that we assign worth to.

A cheap fix would be announcing that any interpretation is valid, which would have been an wasy way out for them.

They decided not to do that. They are adding to the narrative and changing game whether they admit it or not.

Putting something into a narrative changes it. Five seconds is a change. One minute is a change.

PR is nothing more than a stalling tactic until you have something to show.

[ShepnTali]

To me, more Hackett was the biggest and best news so far, and I'm not sure I even know why. Gave me a good feeling though.

[squee365]

I don't mind the wait for the EC....



But can we get some more comprehensive info? Maybe screenshots or a trailer?
Or does it provide so little compared to past DLCs that its not worth showing...

and if its not worth showing why make it at all?

[Lookout1390]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

But it's gold -colored ****, but nonetheless, it's still ****.

I call it a lazy/cheap fix attempt at trying to salvage this mess, when the slate just needs to be wiped clean.

When you transmute you change it entirely. Is is no longer fecal matter. It is a piece of metal that we assign worth to.

A cheap fix would be announcing that any interpretation is valid, which would have been an wasy way out for them.

They decided not to do that. They are adding to the narrative and changing game whether they admit it or not.

Putting something into a narrative changes it. Five seconds is a change. One minute is a change.

PR is nothing more than a stalling tactic until you have something to show.

Yes, but they aren't transmuting' the ending, they are just putting some sprinkles on it that might give a few more people some satisfaction, but those who can clearly see there are big-gaping plotholes in the story...and know for a fact that unless it's completely redone, they are still present, so they aren't being changed into 'gold'.

The press statement has confirmed it's just adding on, and not replacing the ending. I wish I could be satisfied with a few more scenes of dialogue, but it can't, and won't fix the current state of the ending.

[ShepnTali]

squee365 wrote...

I don't mind the wait for the EC....



But can we get some more comprehensive info? Maybe screenshots or a trailer?
Or does it provide so little compared to past DLCs that its not worth showing...

and if its not worth showing why make it at all?

Maybe in 3 weeks? E3?

I hope.

[Taboo]

ShepnTali wrote...

To me, more Hackett was the biggest and best news so far, and I'm not sure I even know why. Gave me a good feeling though.

What it tells me is that they're simply doing something other than telling me what happened on the Jungle Planet.

Hackett is in the Sol System.

They wouldn't bring Henrickson in just to say something to the effect that we needed to retreat or something.

[LTKerr]

Taboo-XX wrote...

LTKerr wrote...

This. More dialogue can't fix an ending if it still includes Casper, colorful explosions, space magic, an OOC Shepard, an awful deus ex machina with three awful options and so on. To begin with, this ending just ruins the whole plot of ME1 and ME2. Priority Earth mission sucks and clarification won't fix it either. If they don't change anything this DLC will be a huge failure.

Yes it can. That's what an extended cut is. That's what it's function is.

Bioware actually said they won't change anything, just add clarification and conclusion. The EC can't fix an ending if they don't remove at least the worst parts of the current ending, the most nonsensical ones. Just like you can't clarify how 2+2 = 5, Bioware can't clarify an illogical ending. There are to many plotholes, too many errors. Even its narrative is broken. I'm sorry but in order to fix this mess they must change something.

[Taboo]

Lookout1390 wrote...
Yes, but they aren't transmuting' the ending, they are just putting some sprinkles on it that might give a few more people some satisfaction, but those who can clearly see there are big-gaping plotholes in the story...and know for a fact that unless it's completely redone, they are still present, so they aren't being changed into 'gold'.

The press statement has confirmed it's just adding on, and not replacing the ending. I wish I could be satisfied with a few more scenes of dialogue, but it can't, and won't fix the current state of the ending.

You have a vauge PR statement. You make judgements based upon things you cannot possibly know.

We know three things.

There will be no new endings.
There will be additional cutscenes
There will be epilouge.

That is all you know. Everything else is fair game.

Quite a few things can be donw within those parameters.

[Sith Reaper]

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

To me, more Hackett was the biggest and best news so far, and I'm not sure I even know why. Gave me a good feeling though.

What it tells me is that they're simply doing something other than telling me what happened on the Jungle Planet.

Hackett is in the Sol System.

They wouldn't bring Henrickson in just to say something to the effect that we needed to retreat or something.

I agree. Either he's there to expand the battle before meeting the Catalyst (which would make me happy) or as part of the epilogue after meeting the Catalyst (also would make me happy).

[Taboo]

LTKerr wrote...

Bioware actually said they won't change anything, just add clarification and conclusion. The EC can't fix an ending if they don't remove at least the worst parts of the current ending, the most nonsensical ones. Just like you can't clarify how 2+2 = 5, Bioware can't clarify an illogical ending. There are to many plotholes, too many errors. Even its narrative is broken. I'm sorry but in order to fix this mess they must change something.

They are changing it technically. They won't admit that.

Not something to the effect of an entire recon of something but ten seconds of footage could fix a plot hole.

They call it the magic of editing for a reason.

Your eyes aren't the only thing you should process things with.

[XXIceColdXX]

More Hackett is always good.

[Lookout1390]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...
Yes, but they aren't transmuting' the ending, they are just putting some sprinkles on it that might give a few more people some satisfaction, but those who can clearly see there are big-gaping plotholes in the story...and know for a fact that unless it's completely redone, they are still present, so they aren't being changed into 'gold'.

The press statement has confirmed it's just adding on, and not replacing the ending. I wish I could be satisfied with a few more scenes of dialogue, but it can't, and won't fix the current state of the ending.

You have a vauge PR statement. You make judgements based upon things you cannot possibly know.

We know three things.

There will be no new endings.
There will be additional cutscenes
There will be epilouge.

That is all you know. Everything else is fair game.

Quite a few things can be donw within those parameters.

What more explanation do I need?

I don't think you are getting the fact that I, and quite a number of other fans were completely disguisted with the ending. 

You just told me yourself, and the press-statement told me, I don't really see what there is to debate. We don't want to know why **** stinks, we just don't want ****.

[Taboo]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...
Yes, but they aren't transmuting' the ending, they are just putting some sprinkles on it that might give a few more people some satisfaction, but those who can clearly see there are big-gaping plotholes in the story...and know for a fact that unless it's completely redone, they are still present, so they aren't being changed into 'gold'.

The press statement has confirmed it's just adding on, and not replacing the ending. I wish I could be satisfied with a few more scenes of dialogue, but it can't, and won't fix the current state of the ending.

You have a vauge PR statement. You make judgements based upon things you cannot possibly know.

We know three things.

There will be no new endings.
There will be additional cutscenes
There will be epilouge.

That is all you know. Everything else is fair game.

Quite a few things can be donw within those parameters.

What more explanation do I need?

I don't think you are getting the fact that I, and quite a number of other fans were completely disguisted with the ending. 

You just told me yourself, and the press-statement told me, I don't really see what there is to debate. We don't want to know why **** stinks, we just don't want ****.

You live with it because that's what adults do.

You know nothing of what they're doing at Bioware right now. The situation may remain the same at first glance but several seconds can make a big difference. You will still have Destroy, Synthesis and Control but you will have variables surrounding them based upon your choices.

That's a change.

[kaisterbahn]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...


It's just a curious question.
Is he a *** or not? 
Nothing exactly wrong, just a question.

I'm not a ***, I'm gay. Are you an idiot?

Why are you telling me your sexuality?

No one is this stupid.

Seriously.

It looks like you are asking if he is a "f.a.g" - that is what everyone has assumed because it appears that way.

Well, apparently you are. ****ing PC ruhtards. You don't have a monopoly on progress.

[Lookout1390]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...
Yes, but they aren't transmuting' the ending, they are just putting some sprinkles on it that might give a few more people some satisfaction, but those who can clearly see there are big-gaping plotholes in the story...and know for a fact that unless it's completely redone, they are still present, so they aren't being changed into 'gold'.

The press statement has confirmed it's just adding on, and not replacing the ending. I wish I could be satisfied with a few more scenes of dialogue, but it can't, and won't fix the current state of the ending.

You have a vauge PR statement. You make judgements based upon things you cannot possibly know.

We know three things.

There will be no new endings.
There will be additional cutscenes
There will be epilouge.

That is all you know. Everything else is fair game.

Quite a few things can be donw within those parameters.

What more explanation do I need?

I don't think you are getting the fact that I, and quite a number of other fans were completely disguisted with the ending. 

You just told me yourself, and the press-statement told me, I don't really see what there is to debate. We don't want to know why **** stinks, we just don't want ****.

You live with it because that's what adults do.

You know nothing of what they're doing at Bioware right now. The situation may remain the same at first glance but several seconds can make a big difference. You will still have Destroy, Synthesis and Control but you will have variables surrounding them based upon your choices.

That's a change.

"deal with it" isn't much of a counter-argument.

I've already accepted the fact that they aren't changing the endings because a press-statement came out and said it straight to our faces.

Several seconds aren't going to fix the countless plothole in this story.

I really don't want more ret-cons with my plot-holes.

And I refuse to believe that several seconds can answer questions that are wrapped up in 100 hours of previous gameplay.

Modifié par Lookout1390, 18 mai 2012 - 10:47 .

[LTKerr]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They are changing it technically. They won't admit that.

Not something to the effect of an entire recon of something but ten seconds of footage could fix a plot hole.

They call it the magic of editing for a reason.

Your eyes aren't the only thing you should process things with.

Uhmm... nope.

10 seconds of footage can't fix the fact that after 2 games believing the Reapers are sentient organic-synthetic machines, each one independent, a nation (Sovereing words), now we know they are TOOLS, TOYS, PUPPETS and their er... boss? likes being in a human child shape.

10 seconds of footage can't fix the fact that this StarChild or Casper is part of the Citadel so the Reapers really don't need to leave an scout behind (Sovereing, the human reaper from ME2) in order to activate the Citadel mass relay. Their boss can do it by himself, he can see if the current civilization is ready for the.. reap? And no, Protheans didn't mess with that keeper signal before Sovereing was left behind so thats the reapers modus operandi.

10 seconds of footage can't fix an awful deux ex machina right at the end of the game, or its three revolting options. This is bad writing. Period.

And so on...

[Taboo]

LTKerr wrote...


Uhmm... nope.

10 seconds of footage can't fix the fact that after 2 games believing the Reapers are sentient organic-synthetic machines, each one independent, a nation (Sovereing words), now we know they are TOOLS, TOYS, PUPPETS and their er... boss? likes being in a human child shape.

10 seconds of footage can't fix the fact that this StarChild or Casper is part of the Citadel so the Reapers really don't need to leave an scout behind (Sovereing, the human reaper from ME2) in order to activate the Citadel mass relay. Their boss can do it by himself, he can see if the current civilization is ready for the.. reap? And no, Protheans didn't mess with that keeper signal before Sovereing was left behind so thats the reapers modus operandi.

10 seconds of footage can't fix an awful deux ex machina right at the end of the game, or its three revolting options. This is bad writing. Period.

And so on...

Four seconds of Shepard breathing the Rubble convinced many people that everything was indoctrination. That is the power of footage. You can change everything that came before in seconds. Nothing is impossible in a narrative sense. That is true magic.

You can make the Star Child less valid with ending cutscenes. You can make him into something he wasn't before. You can make the entire sequence a dream. Nothing is impossible. Five seconds can override everytihng that comes before. Look how much damage the StarGazer scene did. Imagine the opposite effect with a new scene.

That's what it is. I've seen and done this myself. It is entirely possible.

[GuardianAngel470]

Ecrulis wrote...

Iwillbeback wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I know you would get giddy if Steve's voice actor said he was returning.

Absolutely but he's not on Twitter

Are you a *** or something?

Wait, is this a serious question? people like you still exist?

I like trains.

[Taboo]

jreezy wrote...

Makrys wrote...
Miss Hillis hasn't said a word either... 

She has enough content as it is anyway.

True.

The lols that would be had if the reunion scene for Liara was silent.

[shepskisaac]

jreezy wrote...

Makrys wrote...
Miss Hillis hasn't said a word either... 

She has enough content as it is anyway.

Exactly

[LTKerr]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Four seconds of Shepard breathing the Rubble convinced many people that everything was indoctrination. That is the power of footage. You can change everything that came before in seconds. Nothing is impossible in a narrative sense. That is true magic.

No, 15 minutes of nonsensical space magic, StarChild and bad writing did. The IT exists only because people couldn't believe Bioware could screw up everything, couldn't understand how or why Bioware failed so hard. Those last 15 minutes ruins not only ME3 but the whole franchise, it's understandable they tried to figure something more coherent than the current ending they had. They tried to believe Bioware still knew how to write a proper plot.

Modifié par LTKerr, 18 mai 2012 - 11:08 .