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[Taboo]

LTKerr wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Four seconds of Shepard breathing the Rubble convinced many people that everything was indoctrination. That is the power of footage. You can change everything that came before in seconds. Nothing is impossible in a narrative sense. That is true magic.

No, 15 minutes of nonsensical space magic, StarChild and bad writing did. The IT exists only because people couldn't belive Bioware could screw up everything, couldn't believe how or why Bioware failed so hard. Those last 15 minutes ruins not only ME3 but the whole franchise, it's understandable they tried to figure something more coherent than the current ending they had. They tried to believe Bioware still knew how to write a proper plot.

Nothing is perfect, All things have flaws. They made some of the worst mistakes in narrative that I've ever seen. The malleability of footage is the strength of things like this. I've seen far worse things change. The problem with the endings is that nothing is explained. Everything in Mass Effect made some semblence of sense beforehand even in the face of improbability and yet you believed it without question. You are unhappy because you did not have closure on something that lasted over one hindred hours. This is a marketing mistake and something I would advise Bioware to never try again. Adding things can patch things up. You can explain what Destroy does. You can explain what Control does. You can explain why the Star Child is there. You can explain that the destruction of the relays did not kill everyone. That is the problem. Perceived plot holes are merely scenes without information. You have already decided to be unhappy. You haven't seen anything.

[ZackG312]

Need more Harbinger

[Iakus]

I don't know if this is a genuine "known facts" thread or just another speculation one.

If it's the latter:

I think all the ME3 squadmates will make a return in EC. And it's probably a safe bet that Joker, Steve, and Samantha will as well.

What's interesting about Hacket returning is that he's the first character who's VA is returning that isn't stuck on Planet Plothole. Though his return is probably vital to get information across that EC needs to give the player.

[Necrotron]

E.g. the extended cut will disappoint those who have false hope it will fix the ending.

[kobayashi-maru]

I'm still on speculation bus, it hasn't even been confirmed that only additions made to end. They could add dialogue to better foreshadow star kid, rework others - the we line SK says about Reapers suggesting he is one.

I keep hoping for The Abyss style EC, love that movie. Hoping for future dlc involving underwater Cerberus lab slowly flooding like Bioshock type environment, haven't seen it in ME before - also reuse as MP map.

[Taboo]

Bathaius wrote...

E.g. the extended cut will disappoint those who have false hope it will fix the ending.

Why are you still here then?

[LTKerr]

First of all, I'm sorry if I'm being a pain in the ass

I'm not that concerned about the lack of clousure, what concerns me is the bad writing and the broken promises. Bioware said we were not going to have an A,B,C ending. They said we were going to have 16 completely different endings. They said our choices would be very important. That letting go or not the rachni queen would be important as well. I expected what they promised me and I believed them because their other games (KotOR, Dragon Age, ME1 or ME2) proved me they actually could do it. Instead, I got plotholes, bugs, glitches, mandatory multiplayer, auto-dialogue, deus ex machina, less missions, StarChild and well... let's say the last words of the entire franchise are "Download Content". After all of this disappointment, I got artistic integrity and lots of speculation from everyone. C'mon... this whole situation is... surrealist.

Modifié par LTKerr, 18 mai 2012 - 11:29 .

[Taboo]

LTKerr wrote...

First of all, I'm sorry if I'm being a pain in the ass

I'm not that concerned about the lack of clousure, what concerns me is the bad writing and the broken promises. Bioware said we were not going to have an A,B,C ending. They said we were going to have 16 completely different endings. They said our choices would be very important. That letting go or not the rachni queen would be important as well. I expected what they promised me and I believed them because their other games (KotOR, Dragon Age, ME1 or ME2) proved me they actually could do it. Instead, I got plotholes, bugs, glitches, mandatory multiplayer, auto-dialogue, deus ex machina, less missions, StarChild and well... let's say the last words of the entire franchise are "Download Content". After all of this disappointment, I got artistic integrity and lots of speculation from everyone. C'mon... this whole situation is... surrealist.

I don't mind.

I get the feeling sometimes that they think they have a deeper game then they really do. They can patch things up in the Extended Cut. You can show those forces you gained fighting etc etc.

It won't be perfect but it cannot be worse than what we have now.

[mupp3tz]

Holding my breath for Harby. I want to know why my soul mate walked away from me during my time o' need.

[AcesRedd]

ShepnTali wrote...

 So far, we have a few stated facts of what the EC will entail. Perhaps this will keep things in perspective...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

"No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic FAILURE for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned."

"For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard's journey."

"BioWare will be expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3."


New dialogue from the following characters, so far...

Ashley
Kaidan
EDI
Garrus
Hackett

These are key facts we know to this point. Bioware employee Twitter comments are a crapshoot.

Had a small typo in the third line, fixed!

[The Spamming Troll]

IsaacShep wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ignore the troll, he's trolling.

The only fact that is salient to me about the EC is that it is being written by the same people who gave us the existing ending. So, if you ask somebody to paint your house, and they do a poor job, do you expect them to repaint it well? If they could paint well, wouldn't they have done that the first time? My point is, don't let's get our hopes up.

If Martin Scorsese makes 1 bad movie will you never hire him again? You're talking guys who made KOTOR and ME1 and ME2. Not exactly a bad track record.

ME1 is the only bioware game id recomend to someone. kotor and DAs cmbat makes me want to fall asleep, and ME2 and ME3 were dissapointing enough to me.

i wouldnt say its a good track record either. atleast to the purchases of video games that i enjoy playing.

[hoodaticus]

^^ I thought ME2 was glorious. It seriously upped the ante and is the reason I had such high hopes for ME3 - hopes that were fulfilled until the last 15 minutes + Kai Leng.

[Icinix]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

"Will there be a new ending? No." From Dr. Muzyka's blog post on the Bioware blog.

..and also other great quotes such as;

"Mass Effect 3 is a single player game and won't have multiplayer."

.and..

"Shepard was designed and will always be a straight character."

[ShepnTali]

I just want to feel comfortable after all those hours of ME. That's all I want. As it stands, it's an unsettling feeling.

[Deemz]

Chris Priestly wrote...

While sensible discussion of opposing viewpoints is fine, bickering and snotty comments is not. Play nice.

Mass Effect is ran by Casey Hudson. He and the team continue to work on Mass Effect DLCs including teh Extended Cut.

Casey didn't work on Jade Empire, that was lead by Jim Bishop who moved on from BioWare.

Then Jim deserves my thanks. Jade Empire is one of my all time favorites.

[Icinix]

Deemz wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

While sensible discussion of opposing viewpoints is fine, bickering and snotty comments is not. Play nice.

Mass Effect is ran by Casey Hudson. He and the team continue to work on Mass Effect DLCs including teh Extended Cut.

Casey didn't work on Jade Empire, that was lead by Jim Bishop who moved on from BioWare.

Then Jim deserves my thanks. Jade Empire is one of my all time favorites.

Yeah, I picked this up off of Steam a couple of weeks back - Totally enjoyed it through and through. Had that real BioWare feel that when the ending credits rolled up I just wanted to jump straight back in and play it again. I haven't had that feel for their last few releases.

[ediskrad327]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

No new gameplay added
Everything that I hate about the ending is staying.

So I really could care less, and will just stick with head-canon.

There may or may not be new gameplay.

There will be no new endings.

Exactly, same stupid bull****.

[Taboo]

ediskrad327 wrote...
Exactly, same stupid bull****.

It isn't the same. I've tried telling people that. It won't be the same.

Destroy,Control and Synthesis will be there but everything else can be molded a bit with added cinematics and epilouge.

That's a new ending.

Technically.

[garrusfan1]

I know I am probably wrong on this but for some reason I have a feeling they will make the ending good or maybe even change it they are bringing back a ton of voice actors back so and they aren`t very credible but I think they may make the ending good

[Oldbones2]

IanPolaris wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

"Will there be a new ending? No." From Dr. Muzyka's blog post on the Bioware blog.

That's all I need to know for me to predict that the EC will be a dismal failure.  At minimum ME3 needs a conpletely rewritten ending from Priority Earth forward and that's simply not going to happen.

-Polaris

At minimum a decent compromise is to challenge the Starchild with MAX reputation and level 60 character.  Then throw in a brief text epilogue.

[Makrys]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't need dialogue.

Personally, I do.

That's because Liara almost always says what's on her mind.

You have to infer what Miranda is saying from her body language and facial expressions.

That's her character. She doesn't need to say anything to Shepard to let him know that she cares.

Liara talks quite a bit so I would imagine that you would want her to say something.

Oh, please that is not the case at all. Liara can be very shy and closed at times. You would know this if you romanced her. That's not my point either.

I don't care whether your LI is talkative or not. There should be a final scene with Shepard and his/her LI. There should be dialogue. And it should be intimate. All I'm saying. All I really want. Just a final romance scene.

Modifié par Makrys, 19 mai 2012 - 07:04 .

[antony1197]

Makrys wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't need dialogue.

Personally, I do.

That's because Liara almost always says what's on her mind.

You have to infer what Miranda is saying from her body language and facial expressions.

That's her character. She doesn't need to say anything to Shepard to let him know that she cares.

Liara talks quite a bit so I would imagine that you would want her to say something.

Oh, please that is not the case at all. Liara can be very shy and closed at times. You would know this if you romanced her. That's not my point either.

I don't care whether your LI is talkative or not. There should be a final scene with Shepard and his/her LI. There should be dialogue. And it should be intimate. All I'm saying. All I really want. Just a final romance scene.

^Pretty much that

[Necrotron]

Taboo-XX wrote...

LTKerr wrote...


Uhmm... nope.

10 seconds of footage can't fix the fact that after 2 games believing the Reapers are sentient organic-synthetic machines, each one independent, a nation (Sovereing words), now we know they are TOOLS, TOYS, PUPPETS and their er... boss? likes being in a human child shape.

10 seconds of footage can't fix the fact that this StarChild or Casper is part of the Citadel so the Reapers really don't need to leave an scout behind (Sovereing, the human reaper from ME2) in order to activate the Citadel mass relay. Their boss can do it by himself, he can see if the current civilization is ready for the.. reap? And no, Protheans didn't mess with that keeper signal before Sovereing was left behind so thats the reapers modus operandi.

10 seconds of footage can't fix an awful deux ex machina right at the end of the game, or its three revolting options. This is bad writing. Period.

And so on...

Four seconds of Shepard breathing the Rubble convinced many people that everything was indoctrination. That is the power of footage. You can change everything that came before in seconds. Nothing is impossible in a narrative sense. That is true magic.

You can make the Star Child less valid with ending cutscenes. You can make him into something he wasn't before. You can make the entire sequence a dream. Nothing is impossible. Five seconds can override everytihng that comes before. Look how much damage the StarGazer scene did. Imagine the opposite effect with a new scene.

That's what it is. I've seen and done this myself. It is entirely possible.

Except, all of that must fit into the box of 'no new endings'.  Tends to imply most things will stay the same.

[dirtdiver32318]

Yup ^^

[Muhkida]

Surprised I haven't heard anything from Seth Green yet.