It really wasn't even a "romance." There was no relationship. Everything after the initial greeting is just her sexually harrassing him and him coming in at the end like a cross between the Old Spice Guy and a wannabe Dos Eques guy?
Did anyone honestly think it was somehow going to end well?
Seriously. Did you expect any kind of decent resolution with Jacob?
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Posté 19 mai 2012 - 12:24
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Could say the same for Thane - the guy was dying, did you expect something happy?
Then again femshep seemed to get the short stick for options, I assume girls who couldn't get into aliens went with Jacob.
Then again femshep seemed to get the short stick for options, I assume girls who couldn't get into aliens went with Jacob.
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Posté 19 mai 2012 - 01:53
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Dude... I never play as a femShep, and even I think saying that's being very insensitive.
Long story short: People care about their ME love interests, regardless of who they are. It can be open to interpertation, but I think most romance them because they find the character appealing and feel there's "something between" that character and their Shepard.
So, yes, I think anyone who had a ME love interest should have expected better than what they did with Jacob. And to a lesser extent, Thane, as well. Yes, they knew he was probably going to die, but I think they also expected more than a single conversation with him - one with very little LI content, to boot.
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Long story short: People care about their ME love interests, regardless of who they are. It can be open to interpertation, but I think most romance them because they find the character appealing and feel there's "something between" that character and their Shepard.
So, yes, I think anyone who had a ME love interest should have expected better than what they did with Jacob. And to a lesser extent, Thane, as well. Yes, they knew he was probably going to die, but I think they also expected more than a single conversation with him - one with very little LI content, to boot.
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Posté 19 mai 2012 - 01:58
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As a Thanemancer, yes I did expect something more. In a game in which the technology exists to bring someone back from the dead you sort of start to think anything is possible. There are lots of far out things that happen in these games so I can't really understand people who act like Thane was a hopeless case. He wasn't. They even mentioned the fact that he was eligible for a lung transplant, which felt like foreshadowing.
Why mention he had an option at all if they weren't going to do anything with it?
As far as Jacob goes, I never romanced him so I haven't experienced all of his scenes. From what his fans say, he really did come to care for Shepard and he's one of the only ME2 characters to actually say he loves Shepard. No one was expecting him to cheat and knock someone else up.
And when you consider how honest Jacob is it seems really out of character. The first time Shep meets the guy he's completely willing to be upfront and tell the truth about Cerberus. Miranda even sort of chastises him for it. To have him just cheat and not even bother to contact Shepard just seems like a slap to the face of his fans.
Why mention he had an option at all if they weren't going to do anything with it?
As far as Jacob goes, I never romanced him so I haven't experienced all of his scenes. From what his fans say, he really did come to care for Shepard and he's one of the only ME2 characters to actually say he loves Shepard. No one was expecting him to cheat and knock someone else up.
And when you consider how honest Jacob is it seems really out of character. The first time Shep meets the guy he's completely willing to be upfront and tell the truth about Cerberus. Miranda even sort of chastises him for it. To have him just cheat and not even bother to contact Shepard just seems like a slap to the face of his fans.
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Posté 19 mai 2012 - 02:12
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why wouldnt we expect good writing for a character from a series thats always had good writing and good characters....up until me 3.....just another example of sloppy,rushed writing and missed opportunies that
really looks bad
really looks bad
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 02:22
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Landon7001 wrote...
why wouldnt we expect good writing for a character from a series thats always had good writing and good characters....up until me 3.....just another example of sloppy,rushed writing and missed opportunies that
really looks bad
Agree BigTime
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 02:39
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I dislike Jacob as a character, and never quite understood what anyone saw in him as romance potential. But if everyone thought alike we would only have one love interest. The writters shot themselves in the foot when they made the Me2 cast double the size of the first one for a number of reasons. With a smaller cast it gives you more room to develop the characters, but by Me3 you have so many different people that a few are going to get left on the cutting room floor. You can argue that the possibility of dying in Me2 would limit interaction, but Garrus and Tali are both full squadmates and are fleshed out in Me3.
So you can boil down the appearance times to fan popularity. In that case Jacob really is one of the least appreciated squadmates and was a likely target for cutting out of majority of the game. However, I have to admit the treatment to his character and for the few femsheps that romanced him was rather harsh. I get that not everyone can share the same spotlight, be equally awesome, heroic, or have the same overall quality, and that as a writter they should be able to take a character as they please. But this seemed more like character assassination rather than a move to "develop" a character/relationship.
I didn't expect a great resolution with him, but definitely did not expect a slap to the face. Had it been any other character who had done this, I'd have expected a much larger uproar.
So you can boil down the appearance times to fan popularity. In that case Jacob really is one of the least appreciated squadmates and was a likely target for cutting out of majority of the game. However, I have to admit the treatment to his character and for the few femsheps that romanced him was rather harsh. I get that not everyone can share the same spotlight, be equally awesome, heroic, or have the same overall quality, and that as a writter they should be able to take a character as they please. But this seemed more like character assassination rather than a move to "develop" a character/relationship.
I didn't expect a great resolution with him, but definitely did not expect a slap to the face. Had it been any other character who had done this, I'd have expected a much larger uproar.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 03:07
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^ and that is the problem, no one gives two cartloads of ****e for Jacob, outside his fans, because he's sorta like the new Kaiden...only easier to hate on.
Look atleast your upfront with your dislike of Jacob and you did it in a civil manner...but compared to others its just pure vitriol agaisnt the poor man. So what if he's normal, has daddy issues and approaches the subject like a blunt adult. I found it refreshing and not stereotyped in a black male versus any game I play that features one that just secretly makes me feel strangling someone.
Still either way, Jacob will always be on the short stick with th other ME2 li's over their horrible handling....unless we start forming a huge thread where we just act as one. (hint hint)
Look atleast your upfront with your dislike of Jacob and you did it in a civil manner...but compared to others its just pure vitriol agaisnt the poor man. So what if he's normal, has daddy issues and approaches the subject like a blunt adult. I found it refreshing and not stereotyped in a black male versus any game I play that features one that just secretly makes me feel strangling someone.
Still either way, Jacob will always be on the short stick with th other ME2 li's over their horrible handling....unless we start forming a huge thread where we just act as one. (hint hint)
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 03:32
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^ and that is the problem, no one gives two cartloads of ****e for Jacob, outside his fans, because he's sorta like the new Kaiden...only easier to hate on.
Look atleast your upfront with your dislike of Jacob and you did it in a civil manner...but compared to others its just pure vitriol agaisnt the poor man. So what if he's normal, has daddy issues and approaches the subject like a blunt adult. I found it refreshing and not stereotyped in a black male versus any game I play that features one that just secretly makes me feel strangling someone.
Still either way, Jacob will always be on the short stick with th other ME2 li's over their horrible handling....unless we start forming a huge thread where we just act as one. (hint hint)
I don't think he's like Kaidan at all, Kaidan has a HUGE fanbase. I don't even think the writers assassinated him because of the small fanbase he has cause if you look at Thane who has lots of fans yet they still killed him of as a Li as well. I really think that they just didn't give a damn about the female fanbase or maybe they ran out of time and decided that the female players was less important and there for focused on the male players.
No matter how boring Jacob is, what the writers did was an insult to their female fans, if they had done the same to Miranda or Jack I can only imagine the uproar, the fans would go nuts.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 03:37
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I mainly play FemShep but never romanced Jacob, mainly due to the creepiness of the Femshep lines and being a big Liara fan anyway. What I DID like about Jacob was his sense of honour, decency and the way he applied it to everything, especially his father. This was, as he's described on tvtropes, the Only Sane Man of the ME2 squad.
Of course, that led to people calling him boring, but I never saw it that way. He was just a good guy. Then ME3 happened and Jacobmancers got shafted, and I for one feel for them. He went from being the most upstanding guy in ME2 to the one who couldn't wait to dip his wick elsewhere in ME3. Character derailment at its worst imo.
Of course, that led to people calling him boring, but I never saw it that way. He was just a good guy. Then ME3 happened and Jacobmancers got shafted, and I for one feel for them. He went from being the most upstanding guy in ME2 to the one who couldn't wait to dip his wick elsewhere in ME3. Character derailment at its worst imo.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 03:55
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OneWomanArmy wrote...
I don't think he's like Kaidan
at all, Kaidan has a HUGE fanbase. I don't even think the writers
assassinated him because of the small fanbase he has cause if you look
at Thane who has lots of fans yet they still killed him of as a Li as
well. I really think that they just didn't give a damn about the female
fanbase or maybe they ran out of time and decided that the female
players was less important and there for focused on the male players.
No
matter how boring Jacob is, what the writers did was an insult to their
female fans, if they had done the same to Miranda or Jack I can only
imagine the uproar, the fans would go nuts.
Sorry for my assumptions based ont he kaiden fanbase, but I sorta came in around me2 when Jacob snared my attention as the biotic beefcake before I got a chance to play 1. But wasnt a there a tiny blip in the fanbase over Kaiden being upset with Shepard working with Ceberus? Im sure fans were upset with it and were able to redeem him in me3.
With Jacob...you might be right with them just shoving aside the female, or the straight female, fanbase over the others who reamin true to their ME1 li..or shoving liara down the throats of those weren't interested. Thane fans got screwed over as well after all the effort they put into urging for a cure or prolonged lifespan for the guy. (I mean if Mordin can cure what is basically space aids for the Krogans, why not let thane cheat death by a couple of years?)
Also Crazy you brought up a very decent point about Jacob being the sane guy....they are a staple item you need in your bargin bin of suicide missions. He wasn't just the boring little voice of reason, he was a normal person doing a job that was meant for Zaeed, Jack and Garrus. Doesn't make him any less of a team member for helping.
Bah either way I guess its all moot if his character assination in ME3 shows how much I miss him want him back where I left off in ME2....man thats just sad to think.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 04:06
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Poor Femshep, she needed the option to romance Tali.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 04:55
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Julia_xo wrote...
And when you consider how honest Jacob is it seems really out of character. The first time Shep meets the guy he's completely willing to be upfront and tell the truth about Cerberus. Miranda even sort of chastises him for it. To have him just cheat and not even bother to contact Shepard just seems like a slap to the face of his fans.
This. It was complete character assassination on the part of BioWare. There was no reason for him not to wait on femShep. Miranda waited. Tali waited. Hell even Jack waited for maleShep with her crazy ass. For Jacob to cheat, it goes against everything he stood for when getting to know him in ME2.
Something happened over at BioWare that caused this, and we may never know the reason why. I really feel for those Jacobmancers.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 05:03
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Did you play ME2... he actually has a pretty down to earth, committed to the relationship vibe. He actually asks FemShep how she feels and says he loves her, if I'm correct. He always seemed like the more honest dude, especially when you first meet him and he's being straight up with his feelings about Cerberus (which saying stuff like that could of gotten him killed).
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 05:19
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No need to be sorry, I didn't mean it like that at all :-) We all have the right to our own opinions, that's what makes the discussions so interesting.
No need to be sorry, I didn't mean it like that at all :-) We all have the right to our own opinions, that's what makes the discussions so interesting.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 10:17
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I never romanced Jacob, but in retrospect and, as someone else pointed out, it was more FemShep's cougar dialogue that turned me off. Jacob was upfront and honest about all his intentions. He didn't mince his words and *always* said what he thought. I have to admit, it didn't endear him to me when he was rude to Thane, but I got over it. 
Bioware basically threw away a large portion of their female gamers. I don't mind the lesbian romances, but I also don't want them forced on me. That's just not right. What they did to FemShep, Jacob and Thane was not only not right, but it is a downright insult.
They may deny it, but they did foreshadow possible curing Thane or at least extending his life. *They* started the facebook Cure for Thane page. *They* put the lung medigel on CDN. *They* put the medical information about a lung transfer in his dossier on LoTSB. We supported this. They assassinated his character.
For Jacob, they took an honest, unassuming straight up guy and stereotyped him to death. They Jacob I played with in ME2 was not the same one in ME3.
I don't know what the hell these "writers" were thinking, if indeed they actually were, but they got it all wrong. Of course I'm also assuming that all the real writers were the ones who left bioware during the Miss Effect 3 "development".
And, uh, sorry for the wall of text.
edit: Ghost...we really need to chat.
Bioware basically threw away a large portion of their female gamers. I don't mind the lesbian romances, but I also don't want them forced on me. That's just not right. What they did to FemShep, Jacob and Thane was not only not right, but it is a downright insult.
They may deny it, but they did foreshadow possible curing Thane or at least extending his life. *They* started the facebook Cure for Thane page. *They* put the lung medigel on CDN. *They* put the medical information about a lung transfer in his dossier on LoTSB. We supported this. They assassinated his character.
For Jacob, they took an honest, unassuming straight up guy and stereotyped him to death. They Jacob I played with in ME2 was not the same one in ME3.
I don't know what the hell these "writers" were thinking, if indeed they actually were, but they got it all wrong. Of course I'm also assuming that all the real writers were the ones who left bioware during the Miss Effect 3 "development".
And, uh, sorry for the wall of text.
edit: Ghost...we really need to chat.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 10:21
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mnomaha wrote...
I never romanced Jacob, but in retrospect and, as someone else pointed out, it was more FemShep's cougar dialogue that turned me off. Jacob was upfront and honest about all his intentions. He didn't mince his words and *always* said what he thought. I have to admit, it didn't endear him to me when he was rude to Thane, but I got over it.
Bioware basically threw away a large portion of their female gamers. I don't mind the lesbian romances, but I also don't want them forced on me. That's just not right. What they did to FemShep, Jacob and Thane was not only not right, but it is a downright insult.
They may deny it, but they did foreshadow possible curing Thane or at least extending his life. *They* started the facebook Cure for Thane page. *They* put the lung medigel on CDN. *They* put the medical information about a lung transfer in his dossier on LoTSB. We supported this. They assassinated his character.
For Jacob, they took an honest, unassuming straight up guy and stereotyped him to death. They Jacob I played with in ME2 was not the same one in ME3.
I don't know what the hell these "writers" were thinking, if indeed they actually were, but they got it all wrong. Of course I'm also assuming that all the real writers were the ones who left bioware during the Miss Effect 3 "development".
And, uh, sorry for the wall of text.
edit: Ghost...we really need to chat.
This!
Jacob in ME3 is NOT Jacob from ME2.
And I'm not even like Jacob in ME2 and yet I feel insulted on what they did to him in ME3.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 10:24
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You summed up my thoughts perfectly. In fact, if you got past the cougar talk with FemShep and the laughable "romance" scene, the romance itself was kinda nice. Jacob was the only squadmate in ME2 that actually urged Shepard to talk about her problems.mnomaha wrote...
I never romanced Jacob, but in retrospect and, as someone else pointed out, it was more FemShep's cougar dialogue that turned me off. Jacob was upfront and honest about all his intentions. He didn't mince his words and *always* said what he thought. I have to admit, it didn't endear him to me when he was rude to Thane, but I got over it.
Bioware basically threw away a large portion of their female gamers. I don't mind the lesbian romances, but I also don't want them forced on me. That's just not right. What they did to FemShep, Jacob and Thane was not only not right, but it is a downright insult.
They may deny it, but they did foreshadow possible curing Thane or at least extending his life. *They* started the facebook Cure for Thane page. *They* put the lung medigel on CDN. *They* put the medical information about a lung transfer in his dossier on LoTSB. We supported this. They assassinated his character.
For Jacob, they took an honest, unassuming straight up guy and stereotyped him to death. They Jacob I played with in ME2 was not the same one in ME3.
I don't know what the hell these "writers" were thinking, if indeed they actually were, but they got it all wrong. Of course I'm also assuming that all the real writers were the ones who left bioware during the Miss Effect 3 "development".
And, uh, sorry for the wall of text.
edit: Ghost...we really need to chat.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 10:41
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Yeah, I have seen the youtubes of Jacob's romance. I had considered doing another ME2 playthrough for Jacob, but well, I can never stay out of Life Support. 
Jacob and Thane deserved better. Samara deserved a proper romance. Hell, all the ME2 squaddies deserved better.
Jacob and Thane deserved better. Samara deserved a proper romance. Hell, all the ME2 squaddies deserved better.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 11:10
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Team dextro was awesome though. Even if I'm a bit disappointed I didn't get a proper date with Tali, but at least she was in the squad and I could flirt with her during the entire first mission of the Rannoch subplot!mnomaha wrote...
Yeah, I have seen the youtubes of Jacob's romance. I had considered doing another ME2 playthrough for Jacob, but well, I can never stay out of Life Support.
Jacob and Thane deserved better. Samara deserved a proper romance. Hell, all the ME2 squaddies deserved better.
And I wanted to romance Samara so bad. That romance had a LOT of potential, it could really have been unique, considering Samara's character.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 11:17
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Yeah, the Garrus romance was awesome. That citadel date was so suprising. I loved it.
Samara was supposed to be romancable in ME3. Well, that's what some were led to believe anyways. Just another disappointing missed opportunity.
Samara was supposed to be romancable in ME3. Well, that's what some were led to believe anyways. Just another disappointing missed opportunity.
