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[George-Kinsill]

    I pretty much always save the council and I have to say that I am dissappointed. They shat on you in ME1 and 2, so I was expecting them to redeem themselves in ME3. Yet again they ignore you, act all surprised when the Reapers come and act as if they had no warning. Worse, they do nothing to counteract the claims of the "disgraced commander Shepard" news reports.
   
   Valern somewhat lifted himself by acting humble when he meets with you, but the Asari and Salarian councilors are terrible. The Asari councilor refuses to meet with you to discuss an alliance with the Krogan and acts like you're an idiot, and the salarian, if you cure the genophage, pretty much threatens you. 
   
   Worst, though, is the fact that the Asari councilor kept the prothean beacon on Thessia secret from you even though she knew that it was needed as soon as you told the council about the crucible. Instead, she waits till Reapers take the planet to say, "Oh yeah, a beacon on Thessia has all the info you need. By the way, kill all the Reapers on Thessia."

  I know I'm somewhat ranting, but I feel as if there is no point in saving the council. Someone please give me a reason to save them! I always go paragon, but I'm not sure if I can take it anymore.
  

[arial]

i think the salarian councilor gives you a higher war asset if you saved him. and you get the destiny ascension war asset (probably the useless ship ever, but thats opinion)

[_aLucidMind_]

What Arial said.

Modifié par _aLucidMind_, 19 mai 2012 - 04:31 .

[incinerator950]

The old annoying flavor as opposed to the new, annoying flavor. Also, more lovely script numbers.

[Bigdoser]

The VS trusts you more and and a slightly lower ems score on alliance but they give the destiny ascension to balance out the loss. Thats what I can recall from the top of my head. 

Modifié par Bigdoser, 19 mai 2012 - 04:32 .

[incinerator950]

Bigdoser wrote...

The VS trusts you more and and a slightly lower ems score on alliance but they give the destiny ascension to balance out the loss. Thats what I can recall from the top of my head. 

You get more points from the Salarian 3rd and the DA.  As opposed to higher Alliance numbers and a Salarian STG Taskforce.

[George-Kinsill]

So does the Destiny Ascension and other ships correlated with saving the council completely make up for the loss of the Alliance ships?

Also, while the EMS is nice, its just a number. I was hoping for some convo redemption with the council, not just a number that can be made up with multiplayer.

[SovereignWillReturn]

You're Reinstated as a Spectre.

[The Cheat]

Tevos (the first asari councilor) is actually pretty neutral towards Shepard compared to her replacement, Irissa. Do a playthrough with the Council having been sacrificed and the dialogue feels a lot different.

Sparatus (the first turian councilor) is his usual gruff self with Shepard, but he at least seems to emit a feeling of mutual trust towards him. His replacement, Quentius, actually seems like a nicer guy through his dialogue, but it does feel like he intentionally places a little more distance between himself and Shepard.

Both Salarian councilors seem the most sympathetic to Shepard's cause, though I personally prefer Valern (the first councilor) over Esheel myself.

I'm speaking with experience having done both situations in different playthroughs (and both were with saves stemming from Mass Effect, since I felt like replaying all the way through with a different class and changed my decision). My first ME3 playthrough was with a new Council, and they seemed fairly distant and distrusting to me. When I did my playthrough with the saved first Council, the dialogue just felt different. They're more trusting but still understandably selfish in wanting to cover their worlds first.

Really, do a playthrough with a new Council. The dialogue will feel a lot more hostile (at times I felt like they thought Shepard was an idiot) compared to the original Council. It surprises me how many people don't seem to note the difference in dialogue in this situation, but I can tell you that the difference is noticeable if you pay attention.

Modifié par The Cheat, 19 mai 2012 - 04:39 .

[Lyrebon]

You get to have mind-sex with the asari councillor. Turns out she's into whips and ball rings.

[incinerator950]

George-Kinsill wrote...

So does the Destiny Ascension and other ships correlated with saving the council completely make up for the loss of the Alliance ships?

Also, while the EMS is nice, its just a number. I was hoping for some convo redemption with the council, not just a number that can be made up with multiplayer.

I don't recall if there were any real conversation changes, its essentially hashbacked like the VS being 80% of the same. 

The DA and Salarian 3rd Fleet make up for the Alliance losses at the Battle of the Citadel.  I can give you the exact difference (not that it matters).

[SuperVulcan]

Its funny, now that I think about it, I've always saved the Council.

[Bill Casey]

George-Kinsill wrote...

So does the Destiny Ascension and other ships correlated with saving the council completely make up for the loss of the Alliance ships?

You get more war assets over all for saving them...
And the Asari Councillor vouches for you during the standoff between you and the VS...

Councilor Tevos: "We've mistrusted Shepard before, and it did not help us"

That slightly helps diffuse the situation, and makes it less likely you'll have to shoot Ashley/Kaidan...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 mai 2012 - 04:57 .

[George-Kinsill]

The Cheat wrote...

I'm speaking with experience having done both situations in different playthroughs (and both were with saves stemming from Mass Effect, since I felt like replaying all the way through with a different class and changed my decision). My first ME3 playthrough was with a new Council, and they seemed fairly distant and distrusting to me. When I did my playthrough with the saved first Council, the dialogue just felt different. They're more trusting but still understandably selfish in wanting to cover their worlds first.

Really, do a playthrough with a new Council. The dialogue will feel a lot more hostile (at times I felt like they thought Shepard was an idiot) compared to the original Council. It surprises me how many people don't seem to note the difference in dialogue in this situation, but I can tell you that the difference is noticeable if you pay attention.

Thanks, these are all good reasons. It's dissappointing though that BioWare couldn't just make the old councilors better instead of making the new ones meaner. All I want is some support and for people to man up to their mistakes. I will forgive someone that seeks forgiveness, but it sounds like both councils aer incisstent on being arrogant @ssholes. Ah well. Guess I'll just take the lesser of two evils and continue to save the council (even if I don't like it.)

[sweet-d]

Doesn't really matter that much.

[George-Kinsill]

Bill Casey wrote...

George-Kinsill wrote...

So does the Destiny Ascension and other ships correlated with saving the council completely make up for the loss of the Alliance ships?

You get more war assets over all for saving them...
And the Asari Councillor vouches for you during the standoff between you and the VS...

Councilor Tevos: "We've mistrusted Shepard before, and it did not help us"

That slightly helps diffuse the situation...

Do u happen to know what the replacement says in that situation?

[BS_PostMortem]

Lyrebon wrote...

You get to have mind-sex with the asari councillor. Turns out she's into whips and ball rings.

It's sad that she is not considered as a LI,I would enjoy that kind of abuse.

[Knight of Seven]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

You're Reinstated as a Spectre.

I'm pretty sure you still get reinstated as a Spectre regardless of whether or not you killed the council.

[Unholyknight800]

Sparatus not Valern.

[Bill Casey]

George-Kinsill wrote...


Do u happen to know what the replacement says in that situation?

"What Shepard says is possible. Unlikely, but possible."

One less point towards not having to shoot the VS...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 mai 2012 - 05:10 .

[NoUserNameHere]

One does not simply prescribe benefits to choices from Mass Effect 1.

[Gruntburner]

More war assets from the council races, less for the alliance. Not sure which nets more, but I think it is the alliance.

[Bill Casey]

Gruntburner wrote...

More war assets from the council races, less for the alliance. Not sure which nets more, but I think it is the alliance.

Nope...
Saving the Council nets more war assets if you also save the Salarian councillor...
The difference isn't huge, though...

So do whatever...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 mai 2012 - 05:12 .

[Omanisat]

The Destiny Ascension will also make a brief cameo during the fleet`s arrival.

[George-Kinsill]

Bill Casey wrote...

George-Kinsill wrote...


Do u happen to know what the replacement says in that situation?

"What Shepard says is possible. Unlikely, but possible."

One less point towards not having to shoot the VS...

Well, I guess that Tevos's remark is significantly better than the replacement. I don't like the VS (BioWare assassinated their character in ME2 to explain why they wouldn't join your crew to keep them for ME3, and then kept up the act) but I don't want to have to shoot the VS regardless.