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[o Ventus]

Lookout1390 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

"We're sort of, kind of, ehh I guess, listening to our fans."

It just so happens that they're doing precisely dick about it.

Is more like it

Works too.

[garrusfan1]

ignoring is easy don`t type in anything with the words bioware mass effect or any me characters or ea and you won`t probably won`t see it well actually it is everywhere on the internet so they stay off the internet and away from angry gamers

[incinerator950]

It's like people here didn't play games ten years ago.

[Madcat 124]

I don't think they're ignoring us. They said they were listening, and then they said they were working on an extended ending. When it comes out we will see.

[Ariq]

Bathaius wrote...

As for the original post, their current stance is 'wait awhile, we will show you' with the extended cut.  They are aware of our concerns.

It would be nice if they acknowledged our concerns. I would have more faith in resolution from the EC if Bioware had offered some honest dialogue about the problems fans have had. Instead, we've seen press releases using fan response for positive spin. We've seen vague, non-committal statements about closure and clarification, con panels that dismiss or ignore salient problems, we've had off hand remarks on twitter - many of them contradictory - and a notable silence on these official boards.

I agree with some of the above posters that listening does not equate to giving in to every demand.

However, a good listener can make it known they are listening. A simple restatement of our concerns would acknowledge that we've been heard. When they tell me they want to "clarify", they're indicating (as have so many in the press and so many on these forums) that the problem is with me. That *I* didn't understand the ending. When they say "closure" they ignore all of the salient, substantative complaints about the final sequences that have nothing to do with closure. We have yet to hear one single word from them about the intent of the Starchild. No, we get second hand accounts about more speculation for everyone.

Wait for the EC. Why? The game is over. Done. We'll get no more endings, that's been hammered home. What is there to spoil now? Nothing if the EC is intended for the players, but it isn't. It's a PR move. It will work as an ad campaign in the friendly gamer press. And the cost likely won't be much different than the Retake Earth Ad TV spots, if even as much. I'd like to believe the EC was something more, but so far, Bioware has yet to acknowledge the fans' problems with the ending. I know they're aware of our concerns. They can't help that. These forums are inundated with those concerns in well worded, polite, and largely ignored commentary. There are scores of Youtube videos offering cogent critiques of the ending. They can't help but be aware. Yet, they've not acknowledged those problems. And that's why the fans who feel those problems feel like they're not listening.

[Lord Kable]

lol!!! They are working on the "extended cut." That involves a chat between Anderson and EDI. Don't get too excited! Bioware has not listened to a single word. They are fobbing off the fans like Politicians do.

[GreenDragon37]

Because why would we believe anything BioWare has to say at this point? Their PR department lied to us all throughout pre-release, and brutally assulted the fanbase by waving "artistic integrity" all up in our faces and sicked IGN and other "professional gaming review sites" on us. Their words have only served to inflame the fanbase and make the situation worse a lot of the time. Now, they must believe that "actions, not words" is the only way to dig them out of this mess, because at this point, their words have lost a lot of credibility.

That's my belief, anyways.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 19 mai 2012 - 10:44 .

[garrusfan1]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Because why would we believe anything they have to say at this point? They lied to us all throughout pre-release. Now, they have to take the "show, don't tell" tactic, because their words have lost a lot of credibility.

I agree but I am actually thinking they might change the ending or do alot of other stuff hate bringing it up but maybe IT but they are taking a while to make it and getting alot of voice actors back if they make the ending decent me and bioware can go back to the way thing were they make dlc and I open my wallet and say take what you want please bioware give us a decent ending use fan fic if you have to I don`t care

[Clayless]

Atakuma wrote...

The problem here is that too many people equate listening, with bending over backwards to please them.

[GreenDragon37]

garrusfan1 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Because why would we believe anything they have to say at this point? They lied to us all throughout pre-release. Now, they have to take the "show, don't tell" tactic, because their words have lost a lot of credibility.

I agree but I am actually thinking they might change the ending or do alot of other stuff hate bringing it up but maybe IT but they are taking a while to make it and getting alot of voice actors back if they make the ending decent me and bioware can go back to the way thing were they make dlc and I open my wallet and say take what you want please bioware give us a decent ending use fan fic if you have to I don`t care

To me the endings weren't the only problem with the game; they're just the biggest sore on a bruised body. Things cannot go back to they way they were after DA2 and ME3. If EC is a "success," I'll go to being a very wary consumer, and not trust PR anymore, because I don't know if they are going to pull a DA2 or ME3. If they fail... it'll be time to cut ties. I have no interest in multiplayer DLCs. In fact, Multiplayer should have never been requried for getting the "best ending." Nor will I have any interest in single-player DLC, because what's the point? It doesn't many anything anyway since I doomed everything.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 19 mai 2012 - 10:53 .

[JoJohnson117]

I know I didn't use paragraphs and I am fully aware of the new EC DLC they are bringing out. But the problem is that and extended cut means they are just expanding on what is already there. I have played since the first game and though that I had finally found a game where choices mattered. When you reach the end it didn't matter who you had shot in the back or saved the council or what squadmate you left behind on Virmire.

These are all examples of my problem with the endings. I am not a fan of Multiplayer horde mode so having to play it just to get the best ending frustrates me even more. I never needed closure in this game, if they had made a whole new trilogy I would have had no issue with that. These endings seem to betray your choice in the previous games and I know Shepard wouldn't have believed a word that star child said. He would have said the he would want the Relays to stay and let the people choose for themselves.

If you had read The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 you would see that they made it clear they knew all the answers but didn't want to give them to us. So my feeling is that people saying defending Bioware should realize they knew this would happen from the day it was released. Maybe they expected people to like the ending more than they did but they knew we would all want to know the answers. I am happy to see that they are doing something but I don't know whether what they are doing will be enough to fix the ending. Though I guess we will have to wait and see in summer.

[feliciano2040]

If I worked at Bioware I would ignore "the fans" just as much.

[Taboo]

feliciano2040 wrote...

If I worked at Bioware I would ignore "the fans" just as much.

They didn't though.

You equate silence to not listening, just as the screaming fans around here do.

[lagruej]

If I worked for bioware I would leak the real ending 6 months early so they put in a Space magic ending. instead.. oh wait.

[phat0817]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I'd say the fact that they are working on the ec means they are not ignoring you. They are just avoiding the forums (understandably)

Yep

[Malditor]

They probably can't respond, because all the could do is give non-answers. That would just make the people asking the questions more angry. It's better if they just keep to work on what they are doing. I am fairly certain a majority of the vocal community will still be "outraged" by the ending. I seriously doubt IT is going to be the answer and most of the people who are complaining about the endings won't be satisfied with anything less than a complete rewrite of how it the end plays out. Even if they were to "fix" the ending there are still the people who are upset with all the things that did/didn't happen throughout the story of ME3.

In short, they realize there is nothing they can do to appease everyone and are just wanting to get what they can done to appease the ones they can.

Modifié par Malditor, 20 mai 2012 - 03:15 .

[comrade gando]

I think they're listening, I see moderators here pretty often so they're definitely not just ignoring us. I just don't know what they could say at this point that won't fan the flames.

[gatsbyfollower]

comrade gando wrote...

I think they're listening, I see moderators here pretty often so they're definitely not just ignoring us. I just don't know what they could say at this point that won't fan the flames.

I propose the following:

Attention everyone.  The dextros starve. The victory fleet turns on each other.  Vega tossed EDI's lifeless body off a cliff to see if it got dented. After the half-breath, a loose piece of rubble crushes Shepard's skull.

LOCKDOWN.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Patience. They have heard. They have made a compromise. It's the EC. I want to see what this is. I want it to be good. And they gave themselves time to make it good.

[GreenDragon37]

comrade gando wrote...

I think they're listening, I see moderators here pretty often so they're definitely not just ignoring us. I just don't know what they could say at this point that won't fan the flames.

Yep. All fo the pre-release lieing and PR failure after the ending debacle poisoned the atmosphere here. Nothing they say can make things better, because why trust a liar? Seeing is the only way people will believe now.

[feliciano2040]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They didn't though.

You equate silence to not listening, just as the screaming fans around here do.

Irrelevant in any case.

It is their game, it is their choice as to how they want to proceed over the entire ordeal.

And when you have people complaining endlessly about EVERYTHING, you really lose any desire to connect to your "fanbase".

[Taboo]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

They didn't though.

You equate silence to not listening, just as the screaming fans around here do.

Irrelevant in any case.

It is their game, it is their choice as to how they want to proceed over the entire ordeal.

And when you have people complaining endlessly about EVERYTHING, you really lose any desire to connect to your "fanbase".

Bioware fans have nothing against film fans.

Endlessly more anal.

I cannot stress that enough.

Bioware should feel lucky.

[M0keys]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

They didn't though.

You equate silence to not listening, just as the screaming fans around here do.

Irrelevant in any case.

It is their game, it is their choice as to how they want to proceed over the entire ordeal.

And when you have people complaining endlessly about EVERYTHING, you really lose any desire to connect to your "fanbase".

"fanbase" in quotes? I know lots of people here have free time, but we're not so pathetic that we dedicate our lives to trying to fix a game series we don't even like.

think these things through, dude.

[Blue Liara]

If they keep the endings the same and just "explain" them they were NEVER listening. Only IT explains the endings by removing them as the actual endings. Even then this might still end up being awful. 

The whole, "we are listening" was textbook PR damage control. I won't believe they have listened until i see the DLC ending.

Modifié par Blue Liara, 20 mai 2012 - 03:52 .

[comrade gando]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Yep. All fo the pre-release lieing and PR failure after the ending debacle poisoned the atmosphere here. Nothing they say can make things better, because why trust a liar? Seeing is the only way people will believe now.

exactly sir, "why trust a liar". Bioware has done us right in the past but this was just atrocious what they did to us in ME3. Things from tali's face to the insanely bad ending everyone was issued when they strictly promised they wouldn't do that. There are multiple quotes pre-release that they did the exact opposite of and failed to deliver.

To bioware's credit, ME3 is an amazing game as a whole but these little details start to stack up and become more and more noticeable until it just damages the gaming experience as a whole. Any mass effect fan will notice these, a shame video game reviewers can't/wont either because they overlook them or are *ahem* paid to ignore them. Heck, I've even seen reviewers laud and praise the ending (G4's review comes to mind) as "exactly how you should end a trilogy" and "best ending ever" and so on. It truly sickens me to now see how biased and unfair video game reviewers are. I've never really noticed this until the mass effect 3 incident.