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[NocturnalStillness]

I've just started to do my Insanity playthrough and noticed that only Shepard seems to acknowledge the kid in the beginning.

You first  'see' him in the vent at the start where you turn away and he's gone when you turn back but you don't hear him leave (unlike you hear him  when your about to go through the door).

Then you see him again when you get on the normandy, not one of the soldiers makes any move to help him onto the shuttle in fact he clambers on himself. I know a destroyer lands nearby but surely at least one of the soldiers would have helped him onboard?

Did anyone else notice that?

[Cyne]

He was probably real, however he could have been the catalyst messing with Shepard's head. Otherwise, why he looks exactly like the catalyst at the end is never explained and makes no sense (and Shepard doesn't even question it, which makes even less sense).

[EsterCloat]

Kid's real.

Shuttle doesn't leave until he gets on. One of the soldiers looks at him while he climbs aboard.

Also, the kid is like ten years old. He can climb onto a shuttle by himself without a big strong soldier carrying him.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 19 mai 2012 - 12:32 .

[Fixers0]

EsterCloat wrote...
Shuttle doesn't leave until he gets on. One of the soldiers looks at him while he climbs aboard.

Where did you get this?

EsterCloat wrote...
Also, the kid is like ten years old. He can climb onto a shuttle on his own without a big strong soldier carrying him.

He's awfully small for a ten year old.

Modifié par Fixers0, 19 mai 2012 - 12:33 .

[Andsmth85]

The kid at the end is the one thats not real , people do realize that the Catalyst is not really a kid and that its only Shepard's imagination that made it that right ?

[EsterCloat]

Fixers0 wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...
Shuttle doesn't leave until he gets on. One of the soldiers looks at him while he climbs aboard.

Where did you get this?

EsterCloat wrote...
Also, the kid is like ten years old. He can climb onto a shuttle on his own without a big strong soldier carrying him.

He's awfully small for a ten year old.

Well, the shuttle doesn't leave until he gets on, that's a given. Also, looking at the scene when the kid runs up to the shuttle you see a soldier look at the kid on the right of the screen.

Also, I don't know ages to relative sizes. All I know is that if I saw that kid I'd give him a glance, if that, while I shoot husks and Cannibals, not carrying him and making sure he can make the jump from ground onto a shuttle. If he fell, sure I'd expect someone to pick him up but he's entirely capable of making that move onto the shuttle himself. Maybe I figure his parents are already aboard and they'll take care of him. All I would know is that I gotta keep the perimeter clear of Reaper forces so we're not overrun, so the kid can take care of himself the five feet he's gotta move.

[Demon Velsper]

So, Shephard imagined someone putting up an imagined picture of the imagined kid on the memorial wall? His imagination is way more vivid than mine.

[Pelle6666]

You first see him running in to the building... don't know how he survived the explosion though... I think he is real, seams like BW was not smart enough to do the IT anyway.

[lillitheris]

Ahem *clears throat*

SPECULATIONS

[Ferretinabun]

A few things about the kid did seem odd. Like the fact he silently vanishes into thin air in the vent. And it also struck me as odd that no-one helps him up into the shuttle. But I could be talked into putting that all down as poor writing (drawing??).

There's also the question of how he got to the vent from a building seemingly unconnected to Shepard's (when he watches him play with a ship)...

[Someone With Mass]

I wish he wasn't real.

No, scratch that. I wish he didn't exist at all.

[Hihoshi101]

Can someone post a pic of the kid on the memorial wall... I can't find it...

Also has anyone here ever seen the movie 'Taken' you know the one about the mother that couldn't let go of her 'nonexistant' kid? Pictures and 'evadence' of things that are accualy messing with our minds are a very common card story tellers play. Fight Club does this too. Hell we do it to ourselves when remembering things we can planet people and even whole conversations with them even if we didn't know them yet. We spend hours trying to prove them wrong that they where there looking for the picture of us together because we know we have one...

Modifié par Hihoshi101, 19 mai 2012 - 01:08 .

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I wish he wasn't real.

No, scratch that. I wish he didn't exist at all.

[Samtheman63]

[aj2070]

Samtheman63 wrote...

^ That.

You as Shepard also hear a noise in the vents.  That is what draws Shepard to the vents to find the kid in the first place.

[Ashtarth1]

The kid's comments seem to revolve around Shepard (sort of like a certain goofy reaper from ME2)

Shepard: It's okay.
Kid: Everyone's dying.
Shepard: Take my hand.
Kid: You can't help me.


the average kid wouldn't say that kind of stuff? Maybe the point was "look how tough this kid is, he could've been the next Shepard."

[Joben-Dallas]

Since the demo I thought he wasn't real at all but some trick by Harbinger to 'crush' Shepard in some way. If I'm wrong I'm wrong oh well .

If it is meant to be taken at face value then I think it was pushed a little too hard with all the dreams etc, but I'm still hoping there is more to it.

I also agree with Ashtarth1 "You can't help me." is such a bizarre thing for a kid to say that it seems like a mind game.

[tekkaman fear]

Ugh, that scene in the vent is awful. And I never noticed the kids pic on the memorial wall. Where the heck did they get it from to put up anyway?

[Pugz82]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Yea and that room also gets BLOWN to **** by a reaper beam...but the kid magically survives it, give me a break.  I don't by the kid being real at all.  Shep is talking to him in that vent, yet Anderson who is 4 feet away doesn't hear that!  No one, not one soldier acknowledges the kids existance getting on to a shuttle in the middle of all that.

That is my opinion...been that way from the start. Kid gets blasted by a reaper and doesn't have a scratch.  Shep gets blasted by a reaper and basically "dead."  Kid = superman.

[noobpills]

The kid's real. The dream that Shepard has throughout the game involes his guilt over not being able to save him. Why the Catalyst would take the form of the same kid is a mystery to me.

tekkaman fear wrote...

Ugh, that scene in the vent is awful. And I never noticed the kids pic on the memorial wall. Where the heck did they get it from to put up anyway?

A relative or family may have survived somehow and decided to put it up there.

[tekkaman fear]

Oh you mean the wall in the citadel. Lol, I had a blonde moment please excuse me. I was thinking of the wall on the Normandy.

[HyperGlass]

I always thought he was real up to the point the building blew up. Then when he was in the vent I saw a sign next to saying it was electrified. What? I'm sure it malfuctioned and he was still alive because the soilder noticed him. And since there is apparanty a photo of him on the refugee wall in the Docks; yea I say he's real. Also is that a locked door in that picture?

[EricHVela]

There's enough there to let people think the kid's not real starting with the locked door and after that.

There are those that will say the kid is real.

There's just enough there for speculation.

(Grab yourself the Bink tools and go look for yourself in the Movies files for the final scene of Leaving Earth: "ProEar_Intro_Pt*.bik")

[dreamgazer]

It is more than valid to interpret that he was never there. If asking me, I say he wasn't---only a representation, either from Shepard's mind or created by something else. He disappears from the vent, Shepard looks confused after he does, and nobody helps him onto the shuttle. Conveniently, the doors shut and the shuttle takes off right as he boards, even with no help. Also, how would the boy know how to get through the vents and to the shuttle that quickly?

The other evidence---the visored soldier looking in his general direction and the vaguely-reminiscent photo--aren't as conclusive as the clear perception that nobody directly addresses nor assists the boy other than Shepard.

[Acturas]

I just don't understand why he (if he is real) is the only child human or alien in the entire game.

Basically Shepard had guilt over not saving the only child in existance LOL!