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[RydeCrash]

I have a theory about this child and the caporal version the Catalyst.

In ME2 during Thanes loyalty mission Bailey has a few dialog options about “Mouse.” One of these he explains “Duct Rat’s” He continues to state that over the years they have pulled children’s bodies out of the Keepers Tunnels on the Citadel. He continues to state that he does not want to think about the bodies they haven’t found because the Keepers took them.

Theory progression in short form.

A young boy exploring the Citadel is taken or accidently stumbles on the “Throttle Jockey.” Controls of the Citadel and accident or not he becomes the Catalyst. (Human Reaper on Collector Base, Edi hypothesizes that the last time the Reaper was Prothean.) The Idea being that a member of the dominate race would explore the Citadel, at some point find lets say the CIC.

This trigger’s the end of the Cycle, the dominate race has found the citadel time to clean house. Yes I realize he is on earth before the attack, if you recall Harbinger appeared to Shepard on the deck of the Asteroid in “The Arrival” He was able to do this because the Reaper Fleet was close to the gate. The Reapers are close to earth and the Catalyst is projecting himself to Shepard.

Made more since to me than, BW using a child to disarm us. It’s in game content, children have roamed the Keeper tunnels it is plausible theory. Just thought I would share my thoughts.

Ryde…

[Wabajakka]

We see the room the kid runs into explode... Not to mention how the hell he got to that roof without getting killed by husks.

The kid may have been real when we first saw him playing with the plane, but he sure was dead before we saw him in the vent.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 19 mai 2012 - 10:49 .

[liggy002]

Orange Tee wrote...

We see the room the kid runs into explode... Not to mention how the hell he got to that roof without getting killed by husks.

The kid may have been real when we first saw him playing with the plane, but he sure was dead before we saw him in the vent.

Yeah, and also.... how the hell did he get to that roof period?  He just appears out of nowhere.

[paxbanana3915]

Andsmth85 wrote...

The kid at the end is the one thats not real , people do realize that the Catalyst is not really a kid and that its only Shepard's imagination that made it that right ?

To expand on this:  presumably the Crucible used that form via processing Shepard's consciousness. It would choose a comforting being that Shepard wants to help and trust...one that would be difficult for Shepard to say 'no' to or to use violence against. It's an extrapolation, but a fairly well-used trope in most of the scifi I've read.

That's the one piece of writing I thought was okay for the ending (aside from the annoying significance about the kid that Bioware hammered out over and over again).

[Aaleel]

Well to be honest I said the kid was a hallucination when I played the demo, at least from the scene of him getting in the shuttle.

I thought the kid was real in the vents, but when pretty no one acknowledged, or helped the kid getting on the shuttle I thought the kid was a figment of Sheperd's imagination.

[C-Sec Officer]

liggy002 wrote...

Orange Tee wrote...

We see the room the kid runs into explode... Not to mention how the hell he got to that roof without getting killed by husks.

The kid may have been real when we first saw him playing with the plane, but he sure was dead before we saw him in the vent.

Yeah, and also.... how the hell did he get to that roof period?  He just appears out of nowhere.

and also he seems to be watching whats going on in the streets below. Before you reach the spot where it triggers him to run towards the door, you see him standing there watching things happening.

[paxbanana3915]

Aaleel wrote...

Well to be honest I said the kid was a hallucination when I played the demo, at least from the scene of him getting in the shuttle.

I thought the kid was real in the vents, but when pretty no one acknowledged, or helped the kid getting on the shuttle I thought the kid was a figment of Sheperd's imagination.

I hate to say this, but: bad writing is bad.

Bioware wanted something emotionally impacting for the demo, and they figured killing a child off would be great for that. They had no way to write a plausible scenario for a child on a roof to a child in a vent to a child getting on a rescue shuttle, but he had to be near Shepard at some point for an interaction and then he had to be on the shuttle to get killed off as the Normany flies away.

The child being imaginary makes less sense that him jumping rooves. For him to actually be implanted (via Indoc?) in Shepard's mind at that point, the reapers would have to know that Liara would find the plans for the Crucible and Shepard would manage to get it built. That sounds like a horribly elaborate hoax. As much as I wish the Crucible was a red herring, it's too much of a stretch that something Bioware attached so much significance to was a ruse.

Man, Shepard slowly becoming indoctrinated would have been so awesome in-game.

...Long post is long.

[Aaleel]

paxbanana3915 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Well to be honest I said the kid was a hallucination when I played the demo, at least from the scene of him getting in the shuttle.

I thought the kid was real in the vents, but when pretty no one acknowledged, or helped the kid getting on the shuttle I thought the kid was a figment of Sheperd's imagination.

I hate to say this, but: bad writing is bad.

Bioware wanted something emotionally impacting for the demo, and they figured killing a child off would be great for that. They had no way to write a plausible scenario for a child on a roof to a child in a vent to a child getting on a rescue shuttle, but he had to be near Shepard at some point for an interaction and then he had to be on the shuttle to get killed off as the Normany flies away.

The child being imaginary makes less sense that him jumping rooves. For him to actually be implanted (via Indoc?) in Shepard's mind at that point, the reapers would have to know that Liara would find the plans for the Crucible and Shepard would manage to get it built. That sounds like a horribly elaborate hoax. As much as I wish the Crucible was a red herring, it's too much of a stretch that something Bioware attached so much significance to was a ruse.

Man, Shepard slowly becoming indoctrinated would have been so awesome in-game.

...Long post is long.

It was my first thought lol.  Just being honest, not saying it makes sense. 

The catalyst not being real makes no sense because Bioware went out of it's way to make a last ditch effort to foreshadow it on Thessia.

[liggy002]

Aaleel wrote...

paxbanana3915 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Well to be honest I said the kid was a hallucination when I played the demo, at least from the scene of him getting in the shuttle.

I thought the kid was real in the vents, but when pretty no one acknowledged, or helped the kid getting on the shuttle I thought the kid was a figment of Sheperd's imagination.

I hate to say this, but: bad writing is bad.

Bioware wanted something emotionally impacting for the demo, and they figured killing a child off would be great for that. They had no way to write a plausible scenario for a child on a roof to a child in a vent to a child getting on a rescue shuttle, but he had to be near Shepard at some point for an interaction and then he had to be on the shuttle to get killed off as the Normany flies away.

The child being imaginary makes less sense that him jumping rooves. For him to actually be implanted (via Indoc?) in Shepard's mind at that point, the reapers would have to know that Liara would find the plans for the Crucible and Shepard would manage to get it built. That sounds like a horribly elaborate hoax. As much as I wish the Crucible was a red herring, it's too much of a stretch that something Bioware attached so much significance to was a ruse.

Man, Shepard slowly becoming indoctrinated would have been so awesome in-game.

...Long post is long.

It was my first thought lol.  Just being honest, not saying it makes sense. 

The catalyst not being real makes no sense because Bioware went out of it's way to make a last ditch effort to foreshadow it on Thessia.

So the kid being in a building that gets nuked by a Reaper and somehow surviving does make sense?  Also, the kid would not just tell Shepard that he couldn't help him.  Any kid would be pissing his pants jumping onto anyone who he thought could keep him safe.

[paxbanana3915]

liggy002 wrote...

So the kid being in a building that gets nuked by a Reaper and somehow surviving does make sense?  Also, the kid would not just tell Shepard that he couldn't help him.  Any kid would be pissing his pants jumping onto anyone who he thought could keep him safe.

Gonna retype it: bad writing is bad.

Honestly, neither option makes sense. I was arguing/extrapolating that thematically, based upon how Bioware wrote what they did, they didn't intend for the kid to be a hallucination.

[Hihoshi101]

Peytl wrote...

Hihoshi101 wrote...

Can someone post a pic of the kid on the memorial wall... I can't find it...

Also has anyone here ever seen the movie 'Taken' you know the one about the mother that couldn't let go of her 'nonexistant' kid? Pictures and 'evadence' of things that are accualy messing with our minds are a very common card story tellers play. Fight Club does this too. Hell we do it to ourselves when remembering things we can planet people and even whole conversations with them even if we didn't know them yet. We spend hours trying to prove them wrong that they where there looking for the picture of us together because we know we have one...

So among the billions of people and aliens running for the citadel some how a kid who would have been more concerned with getting to his parents or gardians died in a ship that he would not have been able to cover the ground in time to get to suddenly has people looking for him? And you happen to find said pic? Sounds like a mind warp plant more than anything.

Modifié par Hihoshi101, 19 mai 2012 - 11:58 .

[ZackG312]

Peytl wrote...

I think the same picture can be found at Diana Allers place on Normandy, but I uninstalled the game long time ago. Strange, IT zealots, so eager to find their proof, didn't find this. Oh, wait, kid is real when he plays with the Normandy model, after that he's hallucination. )

people have been saying that the kid is only in Shepards head since the demo came out there was a topic. This was before IT.

here is the topic http://social.biowar...3/index/9287997

Modifié par ZackG312, 20 mai 2012 - 12:10 .

[garrusfan1]

Aaleel wrote...

Well to be honest I said the kid was a hallucination when I played the demo, at least from the scene of him getting in the shuttle.

I thought the kid was real in the vents, but when pretty no one acknowledged, or helped the kid getting on the shuttle I thought the kid was a figment of Sheperd's imagination.

when I first played it I thought he was real but did wonder why the soldier helped a man and women run to the shuttle when they can run fine but the kid he just ignores and lets struggle to crawl into the shuttle and the man and women on the shuttle don`t even look at him I was like huh somethings weird about that then I saw the ending and went from wondering why they didn`t help him to why didn`t they shoot the holo kid

[Peytl]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Well to be honest I said the kid was a hallucination when I played the demo, at least from the scene of him getting in the shuttle.

I thought the kid was real in the vents, but when pretty no one acknowledged, or helped the kid getting on the shuttle I thought the kid was a figment of Sheperd's imagination.

when I first played it I thought he was real but did wonder why the soldier helped a man and women run to the shuttle when they can run fine but the kid he just ignores and lets struggle to crawl into the shuttle and the man and women on the shuttle don`t even look at him I was like huh somethings weird about that then I saw the ending and went from wondering why they didn`t help him to why didn`t they shoot the holo kid

You have just proven that nobody helped the kid to get in the shuttle, nothing more. The door closed right after he got in, and hallucinations don't cast shadows.

[huntsman2310]

He is real, and other people do acknowledge that he's there. It's very subtle though.

Anderson probably wouldn't bother checking the vent because he was too busy clearing debris from the door. So with nothing else to do Shepard checked all entrys into the room, and found the kid in the vent.

And when he gets to the shuttle, there's at least six people there. The soldier by the shuttle's door closes the door right after the kid gets on board, so I think he knew he was there.

And when the shuttle got shot down by the destroyer, I'm fairly sure that was real too.

[Methaluan_Sylver]

Thats a shock for me I thought it was real and a a genius for learning to teleport out of the air conducts before reaching puberty. Makes me feel bad for not learning to teleport sooner.

Sarcasm off, I do not think that is real.Never crossed my mind it being real. Maybe was the catalyst messing with Shepard, he got him real mad, and they tried everything to break him. Admit, the things Shepard lived would break most people, and in ME3 he would be reching a breaking point. Even real wars veteran have things like this, flashbacks and visions from the war, or even people that go through life changing traumas.

I dont know, making sense or not but I see it as vision, even not beliving the in the indoctrination theory at all.For me it is more of a artistic way to represent the war, to make see that the war had arrived, not everyone could be safed, and there is not such thing as safe place or a way to run from the Reapers and represent shepards fear of the Reapers.