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[Creighton72]

macarius5 wrote...

anyway to those who really love the saber, it is my weapon of choice for my turian sentinel can relate to the members who posted on this thread that its fire shots sounds good and the feel of the weapon is just right for my sentinel.

One thing i noticed - out of topic - is oftentimes I missed the quick reflexes of my adepts as compared to the batarian/krogan/turian race.

I am not saying the saber is a bad weapon. It's a very good weapon, but if you have two other weapons that are a lot lighter, with similar fire power and accuracy you may want to try them. Your TS can use overload a lot more, a Soldier can use C shot a lot more, so your stun, stagger and burst  levels go way up without loss of fire power. Also you don't need to use things like Damage and Capacity over Damage and Stabilty, or Assult rifles over Dmage and stability.

The Saber should not be as heavy as it is, not when you got two or three pistols that can out perform it Talon, Carni, and Paladin. Just like the Black Widow should not weigh more than the Widow. Smaller round equals lighter barrel. Should the Saber really weigh twice as much as a Mattock? N7 weapons should be light and ultra powerful, they are top of the line and suppose to be made from the best parts. Saber seems to be made of lead. I think it weighs more than the damn Kishock.

[Creighton72]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Extra ammo is a concern? Ok, Mattock (883 DPS) and Revenant (861 DPS).

The Mattock doesn't do one shot headshots. The Sabre is a headshot machine. 

macarius5 wrote...

agree, without a scope it cant seem to hit the target not like the carnifex/palladin.

What! The Sabre is very accurate a lot more than the Palladin/Carnifex. From cover it's can headshot someone across the map without a scope. 

Curunen wrote...
Saber X... 

Damn, well if you can score that heavily with a scope, then I take back my harsh criticism of it. I still don't like using scopes (personal taste), but can't speak for everyone!

The advantage of the scope is that you don't need to wait for reticle reset and it makes headshotting over distance somewhat easier. 

That said definitly not required.

I can do the same with a Carni and usually do. It's just as accurate as a Saber. I don't even bother with scopes anymore.

[Sweer]

death_for_sale wrote...

Sorry, I play on PC. Again, I respect your opinion on the gun, even though I disagree with it. Let's leave it at that.

apparently you disagree with everyone who has a positive oppinion on this gun.

even though recharge times (on the justicar at least) are irrelevant, statistical dps is negligible (outperformed by the revenant. yes, because we all know continuous dmg beats burst dmg in this game every day... or was it the other way round?! sarcasm btw.).

how about the firerate you're all talking about. the carnifex or paladin are made to be used for headshots, just like the sabre I guess. Otherwise the dmg is subpar.
So if you're only going for headshots it will take you more time to make each shot count than the actual firerate of the gun can provide and maybe even more importantly if you miss one headshot or one shot on the whole (because some friggin irratical nemesis or the likes) and you're using the paladin you've lost precious time and ammo.

btw. talking about the guns themselfes now (just like the thread title said), not about the aa stasis bubble helping you out on your headshots. And no one has 100%. Everyone misses sometimes.

[BXpress2]

lets be honest.you dont have to use a Saber ,but you can if you want ,and you can be very good with it on gold.

one reason to use the Saber over Fex/Pal is that you can equip it with other mods and still have more rounds per magazine.plus reload time is no real issue when youre cancelling it anyway.i like it,i have found my way to be successful on Gold with the Saber.

Modifié par BXpress2, 21 mai 2012 - 09:26 .

[megabeast37215]

death_for_sale wrote...

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Sorry, I play on PC. Again, I respect your opinion on the gun, even though I disagree with it. Let's leave it at that.

Agreed.

FWIW... I stated in the last page I'd never use the Saber with a caster... Carnifex all the way @ 200%. Just need a gun that doesn't get in the way of my biotics.

For non casters... Saber is easily a top 3 weapon...

[megabeast37215]

death_for_sale wrote...

3. It has one shot kill headshots.
4. It doesn't have a scope/sight picture preference.

3. Yes, it can, never said it couldn't. What I did say is that there are a number of other weapons that also can get one shot headshots that are better options that the Saber. None of the Saber supporters have been able to refute this, so they tend to fall on the other 3 excuses when confronted with it.
4. Same as number 3, I never argued against it's sights or target aquisition. But again, there are a number of other weapons that have more advantages. When confronted with this, again most of the Saber supporters have dodged to another one of the listed excuses.

I'll be your huckleberry....

3. Not only does it have one-shot kill headshots... with the extended clip, that gives me 14 rounds of one hit kill headshots... talk about crowd control/boss character destruction. Can you pull 14 headshots in one mag with the Paladin? Please address that.

4. Weapons that need a sight/reticle to be effective = fail IMO. It's a wasted attachment, taking up one of two valuable slots that can be extended barrel and extended clip. I use the same philosophy in the COD games... Iron sights or it's crap. The 'screen reticle' in this game is more than effective, if your weapon can't use it effectively, then it's not good enough.. or it's user error... IMO.

Modifié par megabeast37215, 21 mai 2012 - 12:35 .

[megabeast37215]

Creighton72 wrote...

I am not saying the saber is a bad weapon. It's a very good weapon, but if you have two other weapons that are a lot lighter, with similar fire power and accuracy you may want to try them. Your TS can use overload a lot more, a Soldier can use C shot a lot more, so your stun, stagger and burst  levels go way up without loss of fire power. Also you don't need to use things like Damage and Capacity over Damage and Stabilty, or Assult rifles over Dmage and stability.

You say there is no loss of firepower between the Saber and the pistols... I disagree, and I am an avid Carnifex user. If I could destroy crowds with the Carnifex like I can with the Saber, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Don't even bring Concussive shot into this conversation... it's one of the most worthless powers in the game no matter how you spec it.

Damage and capacity = more dead enemies = more effectiveness for my team. When that hunter/marauder sneaks up behind your team... I want the Saber, not a pistol. Until his shields are down, the biotics are worthless except for the stagger, which only prolongs the inevitable. When you hit it with warp/reave... while waiting for the 2.5 second cooldown... you're going down. Saber will drop that fool in 3 good shots, or 5 bad shots, and still leaves plenty of mag capacity for any panicked/errant shooting in CQC.

Creighton72 wrote...

The Saber should not be as heavy as it is, not when you got two or three pistols that can out perform it Talon, Carni, and Paladin. Just like the Black Widow should not weigh more than the Widow. Smaller round equals lighter barrel. Should the Saber really weigh twice as much as a Mattock? N7 weapons should be light and ultra powerful, they are top of the line and suppose to be made from the best parts. Saber seems to be made of lead. I think it weighs more than the damn Kishock.

The Mattock? Seriously? Wow. That piece of trash doesn't even belong in this conversation. A friend of mine got me to try it, and when I had two Pyros bearing down on me at close range with no cover in sight... even as I blasted rounds into their face (with rail amp 3 and AP ammo), they just kept coming. All the weapons mentioned in this thread have serious stopping power, the Mattock can't stop anything besides Geth troopers/Cannibals/Husks/Assault Troopers/various other jobbers.

The Kishock is only a fun weapon... it's the last thing I want in a clutch situation, leaves no room for error and has the worst scope in the game... however I greatly enjoy the 'fish flop' when they get killed by it.

Modifié par megabeast37215, 21 mai 2012 - 12:50 .

[Creighton72]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Creighton72 wrote...

I am not saying the saber is a bad weapon. It's a very good weapon, but if you have two other weapons that are a lot lighter, with similar fire power and accuracy you may want to try them. Your TS can use overload a lot more, a Soldier can use C shot a lot more, so your stun, stagger and burst  levels go way up without loss of fire power. Also you don't need to use things like Damage and Capacity over Damage and Stabilty, or Assult rifles over Dmage and stability.

You say there is no loss of firepower between the Saber and the pistols... I disagree, and I am an avid Carnifex user. If I could destroy crowds with the Carnifex like I can with the Saber, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Don't even bring Concussive shot into this conversation... it's one of the most worthless powers in the game no matter how you spec it.

Damage and capacity = more dead enemies = more effectiveness for my team. When that hunter/marauder sneaks up behind your team... I want the Saber, not a pistol. Until his shields are down, the biotics are worthless except for the stagger, which only prolongs the inevitable. When you hit it with warp/reave... while waiting for the 2.5 second cooldown... you're going down. Saber will drop that fool in 3 good shots, or 5 bad shots, and still leaves plenty of mag capacity for any panicked/errant shooting in CQC.

Creighton72 wrote...

The Saber should not be as heavy as it is, not when you got two or three pistols that can out perform it Talon, Carni, and Paladin. Just like the Black Widow should not weigh more than the Widow. Smaller round equals lighter barrel. Should the Saber really weigh twice as much as a Mattock? N7 weapons should be light and ultra powerful, they are top of the line and suppose to be made from the best parts. Saber seems to be made of lead. I think it weighs more than the damn Kishock.

The Mattock? Seriously? Wow. That piece of trash doesn't even belong in this conversation. A friend of mine got me to try it, and when I had two Pyros bearing down on me at close range with no cover in sight... even as I blasted rounds into their face (with rail amp 3 and AP ammo), they just kept coming. All the weapons mentioned in this thread have serious stopping power, the Mattock can't stop anything besides Geth troopers/Cannibals/Husks/Assault Troopers/various other jobbers.

The Kishock is only a fun weapon... it's the last thing I want in a clutch situation, leaves no room for error and has the worst scope in the game... however I greatly enjoy the 'fish flop' when they get killed by it.

I didn't compare it's ability to a Mattock just pointed out it should not be twice as heavy as the other semi auto assult rifle. By the way C shot is one of the best powers in the game. It's almost identical to throw, except it sets off biotic and tech bursts. And if your good with any weapon you can kill crowds. If you good with the Saber and that's what you like stick with it. Somone actually did a full extraction solo run with a mattock on gold, seemed to do okay their. Stardusky just did a Talon run on gold and C shot all day to great effect and the top score. I have seen people do that with the Hornet and many other weapons.

Your forgetting one major thing, if you take out the numbers, which are all close except for weight, it comes down to what you like using and what you are good at. Your performance with a Saber is not indicative of everyone's. It's just your performance. Take the Graal spike thrower, a lot of people love that weapon and are good with it. I suck with it and most shotguns. But the comparison is not how good are you with a Saber, it's which is better and that comes down to the numbers. Also if you don't want to do bad comparisons, you may wantto skip the M-14 one next time. 7.62? Really? All the actual numbers are close  but weight is going to kill the Saber everytime, if weight did not matter it's one thing, but in this game it does. Oh and again C shot being bad, most players think it's a broken power, and to many people don't know how to use it. Stop comparing what you do with a Saber, to what the numbers are, I suck with the Graal does make it a bad weapon?

[Creighton72]

You know there are people who suck with the Saber right? I see them all the time. Me I am good with a Saber, but I prefer to use my powers more, so I go lighter. That's my style of play and that is what I am good at. Now because those people suck with a Saber does it make it a bad weapon? No of course not. You can tell someone to go use a Saber and they can suck with it or be good with it. I can say the same for the Carni, I see people who suck with it all the time, couldn't hit a wall if it was in front of them.

[Stardusk]

I like the Saber.

[MajorBlazkowicz]

MajorBlazkowicz wrote...

Am I one of the few that love the Saber!? Have it at level 6 and it's basically a Valiant without a scope and twice as much ammo! If I ever get it to 10 it will weigh as much as the grenade launchers at 10 and is perfect for soldiers and snipers. Does not need a scope, I can snipe stuff with screen reticule. Ammo powers also work wonders on this gun!

The weight of the gun offsets the ammo, because the Paladin carries almost no ammo 3-5 clip, 21-33 spare. The Saber has 8-14 clip and 40-56 spare! More than most snipers!

It basically comes down to: Do I want less shots and more power (Paladin 423-531) or less power and more Shots (Saber 389-486)?

That is all.

I'm quoting my own post in case you did'nt read it. Most people hate the Saber beacuase it's at a low level, PC players have to deal with the recoil which console players have no problem with, and you let statistics skew your perspective. With out a scope the Saber can be used aggressively at closer ranges than Sniper Rifles and if you have steady aim you can get multiple headshots with out a scope.

I'm also one of those people that hate using the same gun as everyone, so if I see a gun in the lobby that is statistically "the best gun EVAR" I use a different gun and still do good. I take the crappy guns and make them shine!

[KooKoo88]

My standard character is a human engineer with a carnifex.  I'm a solid player with that.

However, I've been trying the Batarian Sentinel with the saber and it's perfect.  The saber just FITS that character.  It's loud, it's ugly, it does damage at any range and it's just downright fun.  If a brute makes the mistake of getting past it, I punch it to death with my blade armor.

(disclaimer:  I'm an rpg player, not a first person shooter)

[macarius5]

guys for all its worth it is a matter of preference really both weapons are great to certain class or perhaps both (saber is doable for justicar rank 6 evolution weight reduction on AR). for adepts carnifex is much more suited particularly lvl X, CD rate is not compromised, palladin at higher level is great. I use carni/palladin for my adepts. For the saber, I'll have to retract my previous statement, it is as accurate as the carni/palladin, my issue with this gun is the low ROF, thus my hostile reaction to it at first use. Was so used to the ROF of carni/palladin but I appreciate this gun more when use by my TSentinel. CD rate is not an issue anymore if I equip power effeciency armor mod, but even without it, it is still okay to use. Though there are more great weapons out there like valiant, I like diversity of weapons to be use by certain class as an experiment. I can definitely agree to all opinions expressed on this thread about the saber/carni/palladin. Those guns have their strength as well as weaknesses.

Modifié par macarius5, 21 mai 2012 - 10:28 .

[macarius5]

KooKoo88 wrote...

My standard character is a human engineer with a carnifex.  I'm a solid player with that.

However, I've been trying the Batarian Sentinel with the saber and it's perfect.  The saber just FITS that character.  It's loud, it's ugly, it does damage at any range and it's just downright fun.  If a brute makes the mistake of getting past it, I punch it to death with my blade armor.

(disclaimer:  I'm an rpg player, not a first person shooter)

agree that is what I like about this gun, it just feels right to certain class like soldier & sentinels. makes me wonder though how this gun performs at lvl X, weight might not be much of an issue. though this can be remedied by power effecieny armor mod.

[BlackDahlia424]

At level 1, the Saber isn't worth it. However, upgrade it a few times and put it on a human soldier - works great.

The game clearly wants me to use this weapon because I keep getting upgrades to it.

[MajorBlazkowicz]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

At level 1, the Saber isn't worth it. However, upgrade it a few times and put it on a human soldier - works great.

The game clearly wants me to use this weapon because I keep getting upgrades to it.

^ This!

My Saber is at 6 and it gets better the closer to10 as it goes. When I first got the Saber 1 I liked it despite iits horrible weight.

However, it's almost maxed out and the weight loss makes it way more usable, along with the damage and ammo increases, of course.

Still people have their preferences.

[megabeast37215]

Creighton72 wrote...

Your forgetting one major thing, if you take out the numbers, which are all close except for weight, it comes down to what you like using and what you are good at. Your performance with a Saber is not indicative of everyone's. It's just your performance. Take the Graal spike thrower, a lot of people love that weapon and are good with it. I suck with it and most shotguns. But the comparison is not how good are you with a Saber, it's which is better and that comes down to the numbers. Also if you don't want to do bad comparisons, you may wantto skip the M-14 one next time. 7.62? Really? All the actual numbers are close  but weight is going to kill the Saber everytime, if weight did not matter it's one thing, but in this game it does. Oh and again C shot being bad, most players think it's a broken power, and to many people don't know how to use it. Stop comparing what you do with a Saber, to what the numbers are, I suck with the Graal does make it a bad weapon?

I agree with what you're saying here.

However... we are going to have to have words about the 7.62 nonsense. Have you ever fired an M14 in real life? If you can keep it on target at 50-100 yards, and fire it at the same rate as the Saber... I'd like to shake your hand. It's not a comparison of round size, it's a comparison of recoil and target reaquisition.

The guy talking abou the Lupua round... faceplam. Please tell me what gun fires that round, in a 14 round mag, pure semi auto, on a weapon without a scope. Total apples to orange comparison.

I got Saber 5 tonight when I bought my 10 PSPs.  It puts me at +64% or something like that... can't wait to use it tommorrow.

[Trav-O]

I don't like the Saber. It feels weird having assault rifle acting like a strong Valiant. I was really disappointed it didn't play more like other weapons of its type, and as others have stated - rare weapons starting off weighing a ton ridiculous, I get a Saber X will weigh somewhere decent, but that's a long road to get to. I put it on the dusty shelf until I get a few more to see if it makes a difference.

[megabeast37215]

death_for_sale wrote...

You completely missed the point on both. I am not talking about clip size on #3, I'm talking about weapons with one shot headshots that are better options for various reasons. As for iron sight vs. scope, I am comfortable with either. Again, not my point. The point was that there are other more effective weapons with both options.

The fail is strong with this one.

There may be more effective weapons at each perk induvidually, but they do not have both options. What weapon are you referring to that has above average ammo capacity AND one shot headshot kills? Please name it. It's not your beloved Paladin.

I tried the Paladin again tonight after our little debate, figured it deserved another shot. It just kept sucking... it was good at headshooting Primes but that was it. The 22 rounds thing made for infinte trips to the ammo boxes. I was using it with the SE, extended clip, extended barrel.. doing FBWGG (the weapon tryout/training ground level). Every now and then I'd steal a kill on some pyro that already had it's sheilds gone and some of its armor too... it was very frustrating.

death_for_sale wrote...

To use one of your examples, 2 pyros at close range, I can blast away with your Saber or I could drop them in a couple of shots with a Claymore. I could also drop them with a Paladin/Talon with extended clip mod faster than your Saber. With a Widow/BlackWidow/Valiant, I can drop them at range before they get to CQC, also faster than your Saber.

Wrong again. When I say close range... I mean like 5 feet in front of me, right in my face, no cover around, nowhere to hide. It was on Reactor, around one of those many dark corners. You would not be able to reload the Claymore or the Paladin in time, any reloading would mean death. This is the point YOU are not understanding. It was one of those 'turn the corner and there they are, totally unexpected, right in your face moments' where the only thing you can do is back up and fire at their head before you get roasted. Your 5 magnificient rounds leave you no room for error, IF you could even kill them in 2 rounds each, which I don't think you can. Good luck surviving that situation with any of those sniper rifles you mentioned too.

In the end... like Creighton said, it's personal preference and whatever you're effective with, more power to ya. I just wish you were on Xbox so I could take you to school.

I'm going to upgrade my computer (again, it's like buying a new gaming system every freakin' time) when the next Starcraft chapter comes out, then maybe we'll see. Keyboard and Mouse is still the best setup for accuracy ever in any shooting game IMO.

[Lima54]

Lima54 wrote...

I don't know, it's the only weapon (along with the Crusader and Collector Rifle, but they are promotional) that I don't have.

Got it, now I only need more 69 black cards.<_<

Modifié par Lima54, 22 mai 2012 - 06:38 .

[Creighton72]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Creighton72 wrote...

Your forgetting one major thing, if you take out the numbers, which are all close except for weight, it comes down to what you like using and what you are good at. Your performance with a Saber is not indicative of everyone's. It's just your performance. Take the Graal spike thrower, a lot of people love that weapon and are good with it. I suck with it and most shotguns. But the comparison is not how good are you with a Saber, it's which is better and that comes down to the numbers. Also if you don't want to do bad comparisons, you may wantto skip the M-14 one next time. 7.62? Really? All the actual numbers are close  but weight is going to kill the Saber everytime, if weight did not matter it's one thing, but in this game it does. Oh and again C shot being bad, most players think it's a broken power, and to many people don't know how to use it. Stop comparing what you do with a Saber, to what the numbers are, I suck with the Graal does make it a bad weapon?

I agree with what you're saying here.

However... we are going to have to have words about the 7.62 nonsense. Have you ever fired an M14 in real life? If you can keep it on target at 50-100 yards, and fire it at the same rate as the Saber... I'd like to shake your hand. It's not a comparison of round size, it's a comparison of recoil and target reaquisition.

The guy talking abou the Lupua round... faceplam. Please tell me what gun fires that round, in a 14 round mag, pure semi auto, on a weapon without a scope. Total apples to orange comparison.

I got Saber 5 tonight when I bought my 10 PSPs.  It puts me at +64% or something like that... can't wait to use it tommorrow.

If you can't tell I have had a little experience with firearms. I do own a few and the M 14 is one of them, got it cheap to. I think I came off wrong about the 7.62. It's a very good round. But the Saber to me fires more like a .338. I find the saber to more of a semi auto Sniper rifle than a marksman rifle. The Accuracy of the Lapua is without question and so is the punch. I always felt the Saber belonged in the Sniper rifle catagory, it just does not have a scope,  That's why I compare it to the Saber, the Widow and Black Widow are anti material rifles. The Saber is a notch below the BW, and is the 4th most powerful rifle in the game I believe. Widow, BW, Mantis. In terms of damage per shot. I don't count the Harpoon gun cause, well it's a harpoon gun. To me the Saber feels much heavier than an M 14.
 
Let me ask you, have you ever fired a Barrett 98B or an Accuracy Int. AX 338? I own one and have fired the other. The M 14 is a great weapon. I also compare the reverant which reminds me of a QBB 95 to a SAW as well, and if that is a 5.56, then the Saber is clearly a more powerful round than a 7.62.

Believe me if I owned a Saber Mark X I would use it, my kind of weapon, accurate and powerful. I don;t, and right now the one I have is to heavy for what I like doing. I get sick of my Carni, I like mixing it up to and that would be my second weapon of choice. Would love to slap that on my Turian Sentinal or Geth infiltrator. I can't give it to the Salrian though, it just looks wrong.

Congrads on the mark V it got lighter and you are now more deadly. If I ever get my Saber up I am going try and put together an all Saber team. I want to try this with the Black Widow as well. That's some real firepower down range right there.

You might recognize this

"My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, or the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit..."

[Karih]

I tried Paladin IV and Saber I and Saber definitely pops heads out more efficiently than palladin. When I use it it beats easily all sniper rifles.