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[friendlybatarian]

I finally just finished my first (and probably last) playthrough. Graduating from university prevented me from playing the game right when it came out, so I know I'm a bit late here and I'm sure a lot of this will have already been said. To put it simply, this was not a terrible game, but it was easily the worst and least enjoyable in the trilogy. This game was not fun at all. Here's some brief points about my problems with this game.

-Disjointed story that just doesn't add up. The player is always left in the dark about what is happening and whatever choice we have in the game is an illusion because it is all the same in the end.

-The reputation system was not improved. I failed the last reputation check in the game. I cannot describe how frustrating it is to pass every reputation check in the game, only to fail on the last one! Who's idea was this? I shouldn't be sorry that I didn't make either a paragon or renegade choice for EVERY single choice in the game.

-The combt sucked and the levels were poorly designed. If I wanted to play a terrible game like Gears of War, I would do that instead. Enemies like Brutes and Banshees were just a crappy GofW ripoff that had no place in the game.

-My favourite class, the Sentinel, was made unplayable in ME3.

*possible spoilers ahead, but nothing juicy*

-The ending was not clear enough to the player, starting with the scene where you get shot up the beam. When I got hit with the reaper's laser, I thought I had just failed and had to reload my save. I had no idea that this was actually supposed to happen, and can you blame me? All of a sudden everyone is dead and I am not wearing my armor anymore. Also, if Liara was with me at the time, how did she manage to get on the Normandy for the final cut-scene? That's just poor thinking. And for the final choice, it wasn't made clear to the player what to do. I was planning on making one choice, but then I ended up accidentally making a different choice. I thought that you had to walk up to the beam thing and then you get a dialogue option to make your choice (since both ME1 and ME2 ended with a choice from the dilogue wheel. It's hard to blame me for that). I ended up making the 'green' choice when I was planning on making the 'red' choice. I am too apathetic about this game to bother going back to change my decision now that I have seen how to actually get the ending you wanted on youtube.

I went in expecting the worst for the endings based on what I heard. I guess since I was expecting the worst I'm not too mad about them.  I am turned off of this game series entirely, and it wasn't just the endings that caused that. This whole game was a serious mistake, beginning to end.

[friendlybatarian]

I will also add that while I am completely fine with the same-sex options in ME3, I did not appreciate having 2 male characters try to romance me when I had already been committed to Liara in all three games.

[Chashan]

friendlybatarian wrote...



I finally just finished my first (and probably last) playthrough. Graduating from university prevented me from playing the game right when it came out, so I know I'm a bit late here and I'm sure a lot of this will have already been said.

That you are, still the majority opinion is in agreement...

To put it simply, this was not a terrible game, but it was easily the worst and least enjoyable in the trilogy. This game was not fun at all. Here's some brief points about my problems with this game.

I've got to admit, gameplay-wise it is a fair step up compared to ME2 in my view, and recently I timidly tried another playthrough because of that. I do not pursue it too fervently, however, to be frank. The finishing line simply does diminish the joy of it...

-Disjointed story that just doesn't add up. The player is always left in the dark about what is happening and whatever choice we have in the game is an illusion because it is all the same in the end.

During playthrough, it isn't exactly all bad, to be had. Although there is certainly a point during the game where things take a turn for the worse...the second entry of cereal killer Kai Leng is pointed out by many here, and looking at what is made of it, I tend to agree. Things already do not mesh together all too well before then upon close inspection - was it too much to ask for the Crucible to be a simple giant frickin' lazer, instead of a we-have-no-idea-what-it-does-but-waste-effort-on-it-anyway-thingamajig, among others -, the quality of the latter stages of the game does drop noticably, which could have been redeemed by a satisfactory finale, but who am I kidding there...

-The reputation system was not improved. I failed the last reputation check in the game. I cannot describe how frustrating it is to pass every reputation check in the game, only to fail on the last one! Who's idea was this? I shouldn't be sorry that I didn't make either a paragon or renegade choice for EVERY single choice in the game.

Valid point, needlessly tacked on "punishment" in this particular bit of the finale, although there is another even worse and more arbitrary than this of course not too much later at the end.

-The combt sucked and the levels were poorly designed. If I wanted to play a terrible game like Gears of War, I would do that instead. Enemies like Brutes and Banshees were just a crappy GofW ripoff that had no place in the game.

As I said above, I did not have a particular problem with the combat mechanics, even enjoyed them - albeit even more so with custom modifications here and there -, yet I can relate that they feel very "inspired" by GoW's after having a short look at that game recently. How to evaluate this is a matter of taste I reckon.

-My favourite class, the Sentinel, was made unplayable in ME3.

Playing Soldier, I didn't find anything too broken during my first run-through with the vanilla game-mechanics, yet I can certainly see the problems...all classes have access to every weapon-type, further eroding the Soldier's uniqueness to some extent, continuation of the rather stupid marginalization of biotic powers against shielded enemies from ME2 - ME2 did quite a few things wrong by embarking from the in my opinion tested and proven mechanics of ME1, needless, shoehorned ammo-system instead of overheating being another - etc.
Yet, for all of that, nothing particularly game-breaking to me.

*possible spoilers ahead, but nothing juicy*

-The ending was not clear enough to the player, starting with the scene where you get shot up the beam. When I got hit with the reaper's laser, I thought I had just failed and had to reload my save. I had no idea that this was actually supposed to happen, and can you blame me?

Fully with you there, I was expecting a nice nod towards the last legs of ME1 then, not the bizarre mess we ended up with. But I'll state in advance that I don't think it can't be rectified to some degree with their upcoming EC if they take things more seriously than they let on in their so far only announcement of it.

All of a sudden everyone is dead and I am not wearing my armor anymore. Also, if Liara was with me at the time, how did she manage to get on the Normandy for the final cut-scene? That's just poor thinking. And for the final choice, it wasn't made clear to the player what to do. I was planning on making one choice, but then I ended up accidentally making a different choice. I thought that you had to walk up to the beam thing and then you get a dialogue option to make your choice (since both ME1 and ME2 ended with a choice from the dilogue wheel. It's hard to blame me for that). I ended up making the 'green' choice when I was planning on making the 'red' choice. I am too apathetic about this game to bother going back to change my decision now that I have seen how to actually get the ending you wanted on youtube.

I'll admit I kind of caught on to the weird mechanic of physically walking down one of the three provided "paths", and I did catch the dilemma they wanted to create with the red choice -  far as I was concerned, blue should not have been included at all in there. And looking back, the "dilemma" of red is so arbitrary as to simply defy sense, although that very same arbitrariness can be used by BW for a rather blunt, simple "fix" to eliminate that nuisance in their EC.

The whole "solution"-terminology of that final "exchange" or, rather, monologue of the apparitional thing there however kinda made me resign then to just go and get things over with by swallowing whole the green pill. The scene playing afterwards gave me more of a "that's it?"-feel more than anything else, likely helped by me "mistakenly" thinking I saw my madam Shepard afterward. 

Of course, since "Green" seems the most "utopic"/"dystopic" scenario out of the three presented, I would not even be too uncomfortable if they let it remain that way, it's anything but canon-material however if they choose to continue the franchise chronologically, which would be the only way forward really since prequels just don't cut it given such a wreck of a canonical outcome for the game's universe.

I went in expecting the worst for the endings based on what I heard. I guess since I was expecting the worst I'm not too mad about them.  I am turned off of this game series entirely, and it wasn't just the endings that caused that. This whole game was a serious mistake, beginning to end.

Beginning and end are what are most jarring to me on the whole. Meaning there wouldn't be that much effort required to salvage those if BW were to actually do that.

As things are, one can only hope BW can at least get their act together for the finishing touch...

Modifié par Chashan, 20 mai 2012 - 12:55 .

[AlanC9]

friendlybatarian wrote...

I will also add that while I am completely fine with the same-sex options in ME3, I did not appreciate having 2 male characters try to romance me when I had already been committed to Liara in all three games.

But it was OK for females to go after your character?

[Volus Warlord]

AlanC9 wrote...

friendlybatarian wrote...

I will also add that while I am completely fine with the same-sex options in ME3, I did not appreciate having 2 male characters try to romance me when I had already been committed to Liara in all three games.

But it was OK for females to go after your character?

Yes. It's called double standards. They're everywhere. You've plenty yourself.

Sexuality is no exception. 

[friendlybatarian]

AlanC9 wrote...

friendlybatarian wrote...

I will also add that while I am completely fine with the same-sex options in ME3, I did not appreciate having 2 male characters try to romance me when I had already been committed to Liara in all three games.

But it was OK for females to go after your character?

No actually. I assume you are alluding to the flirting with Allers and Traynor. I rejected both their advances, and I didn't appreciate how this was included in the game. I was with Liara all throughout the three games, with no other flings at all. I just didn't like how I was fully committed to a partner but still being given other romance options that were forced and unnatural.  

[friendlybatarian]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

friendlybatarian wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

friendlybatarian wrote...

I will also add that while I am completely fine with the same-sex options in ME3, I did not appreciate having 2 male characters try to romance me when I had already been committed to Liara in all three games.

But it was OK for females to go after your character?

No actually. I assume you are alluding to the flirting with Allers and Traynor. I rejected both their advances, and I didn't appreciate how this was included in the game. I was with Liara all throughout the three games, with no other flings at all. I just didn't like how I was fully committed to a partner but still being given other romance options that were forced and unnatural.  

Traynor is lesbian; if you were Male Shepard, she wouldn't have tried to hit on you...

Not entirely true. She flirts with you before and during the chess match you have with her. If you go along with the flirting she will finally reveal she is a lesbian. If you don't flirt, her sexuality is never revealed. 

[friendlybatarian]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

friendlybatarian wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

friendlybatarian wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

friendlybatarian wrote...

I will also add that while I am completely fine with the same-sex options in ME3, I did not appreciate having 2 male characters try to romance me when I had already been committed to Liara in all three games.

But it was OK for females to go after your character?

No actually. I assume you are alluding to the flirting with Allers and Traynor. I rejected both their advances, and I didn't appreciate how this was included in the game. I was with Liara all throughout the three games, with no other flings at all. I just didn't like how I was fully committed to a partner but still being given other romance options that were forced and unnatural.  

Traynor is lesbian; if you were Male Shepard, she wouldn't have tried to hit on you...

Not entirely true. She flirts with you before and during the chess match you have with her. If you go along with the flirting she will finally reveal she is a lesbian. If you don't flirt, her sexuality is never revealed. 

That conversation was just her being friendly. If I took every conversation in the game like that as being flirty, I'd probably have to file a restraining order against Liara.

"I like something solid in my hand" is a little more than just friendly

[Walker1991]

What part of no spoilers do some of you not get?