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Why did Bioware force the EDI/Joker relationship on us and make it out to be so important?


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It is arguably the dumbest point in ME3...when they actually had that being hinted at I laughed at first and then realized that this was another pathetic attempt at putting a little bit of humanity into robots. I mean honestly...Joker must have no friends at all. Who would try to **** a robot and not have one of his bros go..."That's a little too far man".

Not to mention that if the goal is to emphasize the humanity of synthetics, chillin on the superficial physical aspects would have made more sense. Much more.

...Why do people think TIM is a perv? (i.e. are there other reasons to think so, besides the Eva Core?)

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Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Joolazoo wrote...
It is arguably the dumbest point in ME3...when they actually had that being hinted at I laughed at first and then realized that this was another pathetic attempt at putting a little bit of humanity into robots. I mean honestly...Joker must have no friends at all. Who would try to **** a robot and not have one of his bros go..."That's a little too far man".

Not to mention that if the goal is to emphasize the humanity of synthetics, chillin on the superficial physical aspects would have made more sense. Much more.

...Why do people think TIM is a perv? (i.e. are there other reasons to think so, besides the Eva Core?)


Letting his quasi- right-hand woman ***** around in that outfit, to quote one of the best one-off characters.

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gatsbyfollower wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

Joolazoo wrote...
It is arguably the dumbest point in ME3...when they actually had that being hinted at I laughed at first and then realized that this was another pathetic attempt at putting a little bit of humanity into robots. I mean honestly...Joker must have no friends at all. Who would try to **** a robot and not have one of his bros go..."That's a little too far man".

Not to mention that if the goal is to emphasize the humanity of synthetics, chillin on the superficial physical aspects would have made more sense. Much more.

...Why do people think TIM is a perv? (i.e. are there other reasons to think so, besides the Eva Core?)

Letting his quasi- right-hand woman ***** around in that outfit, to quote one of the best one-off characters.

Oh yes. I remember that. However, when Miranda talks about her father, she states that everything about her was designed to give her an edge... including her looks. So I haven't really seen it as TIM saying "Hey, Miri...I need you to wh*** around in this outfit, kay?" In fact, he strikes me as pretty asexual...

So images of him wringing his hands in evil glee as he constructs "look at my rack" Eva, doesn't wash with me.

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Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

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...Which is why Joker insists EDI stay on the bridge to "improve morale".

It was made for 15 year old boys who prefer gigantic metal boobs over story.

Oh, but to address OP. I agree that the Joker / EDI storyline did seem to overwhelm other relationships. Especially since many others were ignored. It would only make sense to someone who picked up ME at game 3.

At what point was story sacrificed for metal boobs? You mad at boobs? 

I hope I'm not mad at boobs. I have to live with them. I don't see why it was necessary to make her so physically... unbalanced, to the point my foremost thought is wondering how she's able to keep her balance. Didn't add to the story, it was just candy. To agree with the other poster, a "robot" that was less "sexy 20th century" and more "2186 hi tech blurring the lines between software, hardware and organic, AI", would've been more compelling.

My point was that lack of chracter development and follow-through plagued this game. Suddenly focusing on this new dynamic sacrficed moments where the characters who were already your close sqadmates from the past could be fleshed out with more detail.... rather than... "Oh, he died. Sucks. Seeya." So EDI could be lugging around the biggest boobs ever (which would serve no purpose to a robot, but I digress), and if the story is full (no pun intended) otherwise, it wouldn't seem so awkward.


Haha all I'm saying is that's not where the trade off occured. I also don't really notice the size of her breasts until people mention them. 

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Adam and Eveing it for the OH-SO PERFECT Synthesis Ending.

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 20 mai 2012 - 06:49 .


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ticklefist wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...
...Which is why Joker insists EDI stay on the bridge to "improve morale".

It was made for 15 year old boys who prefer gigantic metal boobs over story.

Oh, but to address OP. I agree that the Joker / EDI storyline did seem to overwhelm other relationships. Especially since many others were ignored. It would only make sense to someone who picked up ME at game 3.

At what point was story sacrificed for metal boobs? You mad at boobs? 

I hope I'm not mad at boobs. I have to live with them. I don't see why it was necessary to make her so physically... unbalanced, to the point my foremost thought is wondering how she's able to keep her balance. Didn't add to the story, it was just candy. To agree with the other poster, a "robot" that was less "sexy 20th century" and more "2186 hi tech blurring the lines between software, hardware and organic, AI", would've been more compelling.

My point was that lack of chracter development and follow-through plagued this game. Suddenly focusing on this new dynamic sacrficed moments where the characters who were already your close sqadmates from the past could be fleshed out with more detail.... rather than... "Oh, he died. Sucks. Seeya." So EDI could be lugging around the biggest boobs ever (which would serve no purpose to a robot, but I digress), and if the story is full (no pun intended) otherwise, it wouldn't seem so awkward.

Haha all I'm saying is that's not where the trade off occured. I also don't really notice the size of her breasts until people mention them. 

Surely you jest. I laughed my ass off when Eva presents herself and her enormous rack amongst the flames of the crashed flying car. You sure you don't have some anti-boobware attached to your game?

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Modifié par Dont Kaidan Me, 20 mai 2012 - 06:58 .


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Thread is pointless. Its a choice... those who think the idea of a joker-edi relationship is silly can pretty much openly say that to EDI and prevent the romance from ever happening... people who think it could work, can play matchmaker...
I didnt feel to passionately about this either way, i was kind of happy that joker atleast has someone to ****, and some of EDI's dialogue was actually pretty touching. Adam-eve reference at the end spoiled everything at the end though

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mostly to keep you from blowing up the red thingee and finishing your mission.
they spent quality time on both edi and the geth in this game, and interestingly enough, that's who's held hostage to prevent a destroy decision. everything points to funneling to synthesis in a profound message that conformity is good. you know, the same message they give all their employees.

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This romance makes Joker look like a complete retard. At least for me.
After seeing it happen once, i will always tell EDI to not pursue this...

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I'm just mad Joker could get with EDI but my Shepard couldn't get with Legion >:|

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Elite Midget wrote...

Seriously, how the heck does she keep sneaking into my quarters?


Shepard keeps inviting her in?

Modifié par Wulfram, 20 mai 2012 - 09:34 .


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Alex Arterius wrote...

Apathy1989 wrote...

rowan93 wrote...

The balance of organics and synthetics is an important theme in the series, or so the ending suggests.

Joker and EDI represent how the two can co operate.


Didn't we already have that symbolised through the Geth/Quarian stuff? :/

Also if they're co operating then that contradicts Starchild..hm

A lot of things contradict Starchild.

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You're not the only one. I didn't care for it either. I didn't care for EDI much either. I just felt Joker was lonely and that's why I encouraged the relationship. It's really sad the only romance option Bioware gives him is a robot-even if she is sentient. But at least he's happy.

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SimonTheFrog wrote...

This romance makes Joker look like a complete retard. At least for me.
After seeing it happen once, i will always tell EDI to not pursue this...


And also this ^^

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I thought it was because it was pretty much the first time a organic gave a synthetic intelligence any kind of companionship.

And due to the apparent theme of organics vs synthetics, this is a very big step.

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shakey123 wrote...

How could a human love a robot? It must be a good sex machine because its the only reason i can think of.


How could a white man love a black woman? It's practically beastiality.

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...
How could a white man love a black woman? It's practically beastiality.

  ? ? ?

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Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

gatsbyfollower wrote...

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

...Why do people think TIM is a perv? (i.e. are there other reasons to think so, besides the Eva Core?)

Letting his quasi- right-hand woman ***** around in that outfit, to quote one of the best one-off characters.

Oh yes. I remember that. However, when Miranda talks about her father, she states that everything about her was designed to give her an edge... including her looks. So I haven't really seen it as TIM saying "Hey, Miri...I need you to wh*** around in this outfit, kay?" In fact, he strikes me as pretty asexual...

So images of him wringing his hands in evil glee as he constructs "look at my rack" Eva, doesn't wash with me.

Clearly you've never read his LotSB files. It's basically a list of notches on his bedpost. Asexual he is not. Furthermore, Eva was named after a woman he was in love with in the comics, so the fact that she has the proportions of an adult film actress leads one to believe something unsavory was going on between TIM and his robot prior to Mars.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 20 mai 2012 - 08:18 .


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I think at that point they were rapidly running out of ideas.

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I found the whole "edi's body" thing pointless and the romance subplot awkward at best.

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Furthermore, Eva was named after a woman he was in love with in the comics, so the fact that she has the preportions of an adult film actress lead one to believe something unsavory was going on between TIM and his robot prior to Mars.

There was a part in the leaked script where Joker wondered if he was getting TIM's sloppy seconds, I kid you not.

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TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Adam and Eveing it for the OH-SO PERFECT Synthesis Ending.


Yeah... I was pretty insulted when I saw this on my only playthrough.

Edited to fix the bolded word.

Modifié par paxbanana3915, 20 mai 2012 - 08:09 .


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paxbanana3915 wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Adam and Eveing it for the OH-SO PERFECT Synthesis Ending.


Yeah... I was pretty insulted when I saw this on my only playthrough.

Edited to fix the bolded word.


It's even more disgusting when your LI ends up with Joker.. urgh

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My personal bet is that they wanted to expand on the topic of synthetics having souls. There's Legion asking the question outright, but not every player will sympathise with the Geth race that killed so many in the first Mass Effect game. So a back-up plan: take one of your allies from the previous game and expand on the same topic: does she have a soul? Or, more accurately (since some of you will say that not even humans have souls in your opinion), would a synthetic be able to feel emotion akin to how an organic would? It's just a way to deliver the same theme we have going with the Geth from an angle that we can't reject automatically because she's on our team, and you might not see Geth as being that.

I admit I also originally thought it was a way to throw in more sacrifice in the Destroy ending, but if the rumours about the ending is true (that Walters and Hudson wrote it themselves towards the end), then there's a possibility that it can't fit with the story-writing timeline, i.e. a corporeal EDI was likely written before the endings.

Dont Kaidan Me wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...
How could a white man love a black woman? It's practically beastiality.

  ? ? ?


Don't worry, I don't think he was serious :D I believe it's a counter-point to the post he quoted. At least that's what I choose to believe :P

EDI(t): I agree, though, that her form was a bit too much... Not really sure why they would potentially risk making the player question what a soul is and if synthetics could have souls too, by creating a body like hers that will simply draw away attention from this interesting question (that may or may not fit within Mass Effect, but nonetheless).

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Well, I miss Joker. I feel as if EDI has more of her own role in this game. She grows. Joker on the other hand, if you removed all his lines about EDI, well, there is considerably less Joker in the game then. Anyone read "Hungergames". I feel a little like Joker is Peeta in ME3, he is there to show that EDI is someone to love in that sense. Also, sad that for EDI to be sexy the coolest way was apparently to give her big boobs. An AI woman with metal big boobs,now that has never been done before, ever. It would have been more surprising if she was of a slight build like Merrill in DA2.

In ME2 I never quite new what I would get when talking with Joker, he was my friend and we had a good time. I felt a connection to him then. In ME3, well, 2 cents that he his convo will involve EDI in some way. No surprise there. But, you win some and you lose some. Was never that connected to Garrus in ME2. There was simply too many conversations with and about Sidonis for me. I wanted to talk a bit more about the mission, his family, just getting to know him better. Anything else than just Sidonis. In ME3 he is great, feels so much more alive to me. Your convos with him goes from the mission, to how you react to the horrible choices that has to be made, your and his family, crewmates, jokes. Really felt that he was a great friend to my FemShep.

I would have liked the relationship between Joker and EDI a great deal more, if Joker had still felt more like a whole person to me. If he had been a less of a one-trick(EDI)-pony and EDI had been a little less sextoy. He has a great convo after Thessia, would have been happy to see a little more stuff like that. Oh well, Garrus was great, loved my romance with Kaidan and Traynor. Engineer was great fun to game with, loved having a combat drone and sentry turret. You win some and you lose some. Next time I'm playing ME2 I will enjoy all my time with Joker, missing him now.